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A66530 The lying spirit and false aspertions turned home again, or, An answer to two reviling letters about the peoples right to tythes sent to the people call'd Quakers in the Vail of Bellvier by Clement Nedham, a Presbyterian, who writes himself, a farmer in the county of Leicester : wherein I have shew'd according to scriptures, what spirit it was that brought up tythes among the Christians, so call'd : and that those that brought them up since Christ put an end to them were not in their right senses, but were made drunk by drinking of that spirit of error that made them do they knew not what, and consequently their examples not to be followed : with an addition, shewing, that the impropriator hath less right to tythes then the poor or priest, if less can be : with a few words in love to all those that send their sons to those places called universities, with an intent to make them ministers : also a copy of a letter sent to G.N. in manuscript, wherein his unhansom and unchristian-like dealings may be seen : with a short postcript to the reader / by J.W. ... Willsford, John. 1673 (1673) Wing W2872; ESTC R40124 16,433 28

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chargeable to any 1 Thes 2.9 Acts 20.33 34. Then I also believe That if they be so called forth in the Service of the Lord from their outward Callings as that they cannot labour with their Hands to maintain themselves or Families that then they may reap Carnal Things where they have sown Spirituals or where they have planted a Vineyard they may eat Fruit or where they have fed a Flock they may eat Milk But the Jews were not to take Tythes of Strangers the Priests were not to receive Wages of them they did no Work for for that is counted unreasonable among men to ask Wages of them they do nothing for But the Power of God compels them that are in it if Need be to administer Carnal Things to those that sow unto them Spirituals and there needs not an Outward Law to compel to it for their Ministry takes Effect and begets a Love and a Life in the Hearts of their Hearers but a Dead Ministry begets neither Love nor Life in the Hearts of people and so such Ministers are forced to cry out for an Outward Law to compel people to maintain them in Pride and Idleness and Welfare contrary to Paul's Exhortation to Timothy 1 Tim. 6.7 8. who said We brought nothing into this World and it is certain we can carry nothing out having Food and Rayment let us therewith be content But these are not so content but have great Revenues as is well known And are not these Revenues the Cause why so many men send their Sons to those Places called Vniversities which makes our Nation swarm with so many Locusts that destroy our Corn and would devour every Green Thing in God's Garden and preach Peace to people in their Sins while they put into their Mouthes and so cause them to Err Mic. 3. and keep from the Light that gives the Knowledge of God and of his VVayes and call it Delusion and so keep people in the Erring and Straying from the VVay of God like lost Sheep This is one Cause why we can pay our Rents to Vitious Landlords or Papists and yet can't pay Tythes to the Priests for they are Upholders of them in their Wickedness if they will but satisfie their Ends and many of them are Evil Examples themselves Another Cause why we can pay our Rents to Vitious Landlords or Papists but cannot pay Tythes to the Priest is because we usually come into Covenant with our Land-Owners to pay them Rent but so we do not to the Priests to pay them Tythes Yea and we can pay our Chief Rents and Taxes to the King Christ said Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar 's and to God the things that are God's but never commanded his Disciples to pay or take Tythes And were not Tythes God's Malachi 3. And when he ceased requiring of them did they not become the people's Right C. N. pag. 13. tells us a Story of some Conference he had with some of our Perswasion in London some years since whether True or False I cannot tell however he seems to take Occasion against the Light in our Consciences and saith Though I grant That the True Spirit of God cannot Deceive yet a Lying Spirit was in all the Mouthes of Ahab 's Prophets and I pray you saith he think it not Impossible that such a Spirit may be in you while yet you think you have the True Answ And now seeing he sayes so I think it not amiss to consider the Fruits and the Effects of the False Prophets in whom the Lying Spirit was and is that so we may know it where it appeareth now or where it hath appeared in late years The False Prophets Encouraged Ahab saying Go up to Ramoth-Gilead and Prosper for the Lord shall deliver it into the Hand of the King Michaiah the True Prophet said to the King A Lying Spirit is in the Mouthes of these thy Prophets and the Lord hath spoken Evil against thee Then Zedekiah the Son of Chenaanah the False Prophet came near and smote Micaiah upon the Cheek and said Which way went the Spirit of the Lord from me to speak unto thee And Micaiah said Behold thou shalt see in that Day when thou shalt go into an Inner Chamber to hide thy self Then the King said Take Micaiah and carry him back unto Ammon the Governour of the City and say Thus saith the King Put this Fellow in the Prison and feed him with the Bread of Affliction and with Water of Affliction until I come in Peace And Micaiah said If thou return at all in Peace the Lord hath not spoken by me Ahab Disguized himself yet a certain man drew a Bow at a Venture and smote him between the Joynt of the Harness that he Dyed 2 Chron. 18. 1 King 22. And was not this many of your Cases who are called Presbyterians when ye were exalted in your Power Did you not carry away as your own the Bishops Lands Gleab-Lands and some Men's Free Estates which was theirs by a Law the Crime C. N. layes to the Quakers and exalt your selves in Pride by them and forget the Lord Of which things you cannot accuse the Quakers since they were a People For as they were Convinced of God's Truth they left you and bare their Testimony against you and many of them you put in Prison and fed them with Bread and Water of Affliction and some Dyed in Prison by Reason of Hard Usage And did not those Prophets in whom the Lying Spirit was preach Peace to you in all these things and encouraged you to go on as Ahab's Prophets did Then did the Lord raise up many True Prophets and sent them among you who told you If you went on in Self-endedness Pride and High-mindedness ye should be broken witness George Fox the younger who told you AS YOU HAD BEATEN HEWED AND BROKEN OTHERS EVEN SO SHOULD YOU BE BEATEN HEWED AND BROKEN YOUR SELVES And did not this come to pass Yea and this with much more stands in Print over your Heads at this day And did not the Teachers of the Nation Encourage you to go on and petition against the Quakers calling the Truth Heresie And how did they flock to Richard Cromwell and called him Joshua who should carry them into the Promised Land which was but Tythes and Augmentations But alas how did the Lying Spirit deceive them and all that believed them and their Prophecying insomuch as that all their Harness would not save them from God's Arrow And how did those hid themselves that had smitten the True Prophets and fawn and flatter and walk disguisedly like Ahab and some put on a White Surplice on the top of a Black Coat to save themselves So I hope People will see where this Lying Spirit was and is C. N. granteth the True Spirit cannot Deceive so the Prebyterians and their Priests may take the Lying Spirit home to themselves and be ashamed that ever they Beat Imprisoned Whipped and Stocked the True Prophets and
Neither do we find that this was practised any more He further demands VVhat Scripture Example we can shew that any man bought Lands chargeable with Tythes and Refused to pay them Answ It is not hard to guess from what spirit this Demand ariseth but in the Eternal Light it s seen to our Eyes to arise from that spirit that sleights us for sticking so close to the Scriptures I might ask him What Scripture Example he can shew that any man sold Land chargeable with Tythes under a Gospel-Dispensation Again seeing thou pleadest so much for Papists Laws whether dost thou own all to be Right that was brought up by the Papists yea or nay If nay then how or by what must we distinguish betwixt Right and Wrong Good and Evil seeing there is Danger of calling Good Evil and Evil Good and of putting Light for Darkness and Darkness for Light Answer this Question else stop thy Mouth forever There are some frivolous Demands in thy Book but being sufficiently answered by my Friend T. R. I shall pass them by desiring thee to take notice of the latter-end of thy last Letter thou sayest But if the Truth be not on my side in what I have formerly offered or may be offered by those of greater Vnderstanding then none of those Conclusions are applicable against you but must confessedly be returned upon me and those whose Cause I plead Answ The Truth is not on thy side for Christ is the Truth and I do not know that thou hast named either Christ or Scriptures in all thy first Letter only at last thou sayest Farewell in the Name of the Lord. Answ The name of the Lord is a Strong Tower the Righteous flee unto it and are safe but thou hast not fled unto it for Safety and Strength to mannage thy Design but on the contrary hast fled to Popish Authors and set up their Laws above Christ and Scripture and so hast manifested thy self to be more of Antichrist then of Christ So let thee and those whose Cause thou pleadest take thy Conclusions home unto your selves and according to thy words confess them your Dues for we are clear as before is proved Addition THere is a Sense upon my Spirit concerning some who have their Understandings so far opened as to see that Ministers of the Gospel ought not to receive Tythes but they cannot tell what to say to the Impropriators because they are become as Free Estates or Iay Possessions to them Answ Why truly Friends if I were free to pay Tythes I could rather pay them to the Priest or Poor then to the Impropriators my Reasons are Because they are wholely diverted from the use that ever they were given for For Mark When they were given in the Time of the Law they were given for the Poor Fatherlerless Widdow and Priest that there might not be a Beggar in Israel but being Ended in Christ there was Collection among the Saints for the Relief of such as stood in need And I believe they had never come up again had not that Midnight of Apostacy come up yet when they did come up again they were given for the Poor and Priest and for the Use of the Church so called so that I believe although the Gives of them were Blind and Dark in that Matter and their Example not to be followed yet it never was their Intent That they should be Bought and Sold or become as Lay Possessions Hence I conclude That no man hath Right to Receive TYTHES from Another but when they were Ended by Christ they became the Proper Right of the Donors as was the Rest of their Increase Postscript I Have a few words to say in Love to all those that send their Sons to those places called Universities with an Intent to make them Ministers First Whether they think they buy the Gift of God or nay If yea then are not they in the Gall of Bitterness that think that the Gift of God can be bought for Money Acts 8. Secondly If it be not the Gift of God then what is it Thirdly Whether they that Sell the Gift of God for Money are not as bad as Simon Magus the Sorcerer who thought it might be bought for Money And further Be it known unto you all The Lord will not have Ministers of your Choice but he will have Ministers of his own chusing and he will set up his School on the Top of all your Schools and Colledges namely the Teachings of his own Spirit in the Hearts of his People for he is as Able as ever he was to chuse poor Trades-men and to fill them with his Spirit Power and Wisdom and to send them forth to preach the Everlasting Gospel as ever he was though some may say Is it not the Carpentor's Son whose Father and Mother we know I might produce many Scriptures to prove that God and Christ often times chose such as were Unlearned and little esteemed in the Eyes of the World see the first of the Corinthians verse one and Acts four verse thirteen that no Flesh might glory in his Presence And now is the Lord fulfilling his Promises who said In the last days I will pour out of my Spirit upon all Flesh upon my Hand-Maids I will pour out in those dayes of my Spirit and they shall Prophesie I will put my Law in their inward Parts and write it in their Hearts Jeremiah 32. Joel 2. Act Therefore all ye that sleight the Lord's Work at this day which he is doing in and among his People betware lest that come upon you which is spoken in the Prophets Behold ye Despisers and wonder and perish I work a Work in your day a Work which ye shall in no wise believe though a Man declare it unto you A Copy of a Letter sent to CLEMENT NEDHAM Whereunto is added a short Postscript C. Nedham I Find Drawings in the Bowels of Love to write unto thee and desire thee that thou wouldst imploy thy Wisdom Strength ad Pretious Time in and for the Use and service of thy Creator and against Oppression that the poor People groan under even as the Children of Israel did under Pharoah's Task-Masters and not to spend it in and for the Use and Service of the Proud Priests and Impropriators Beast Whore and False Prophet except thou are able to prove They are of God and their Wages Right according to his Law lest thou provest a Servant to the Devil for he is the Root from whence all Evil springs and thou canst not serve two Masters But if thou wilt persist in Opposing the Truth and the Requirings of God's Spirit in the Hearts of his People be it known unto thee That New Jerusalem which is coming down from God out of Heaven prepared as a Bride adorned for her Husband which thou writest against and spendest thy pretious Time to oppose and callest her Light a Pretended Light will prove a Burdensom stone too heavy for thee to Overturn And