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assert_v that_o to_o limit_v the_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n the_o like_a may_v be_v say_v of_o suspension_n and_o deposition_n of_o minister_n and_o other_o censure_n in_o matter_n of_o opinion_n to_o the_o common_a and_o uncontroverted_a principle_n and_o in_o the_o matter_n of_o manner_n to_o the_o common_a and_o universal_a practice_n of_o christianity_n and_o in_o both_o to_o the_o party_n know_a light_n be_v the_o dangerous_a doctrine_n of_o the_o arminian_o and_o socinian_o etc._n etc._n to_o this_o we_o add_v a_o further_a consideration_n of_o that_o objection_n mention_v before_o how_o judicatories_n can_v without_o wrong_v christian_a liberty_n inflict_v censure_n or_o put_v man_n to_o suffer_v who_o profess_v that_o after_o examination_n of_o the_o decree_n or_o constitution_n they_o can_v be_v persuade_v of_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o the_o same_o to_o this_o beside_o what_o be_v before_o mark_v further_o answer_n be_v give_v by_o mr._n gillespie_n in_o his_o 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