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B12249 The defence of a certayne poore Christen man who els shuldhaue [sic] bene condemned by the Popes lawe. Written in the hye Allmaynes tonge by a right excellent and noble prynce, and tra[n]slated into Englishe by Myles Couerdale. Coverdale, Miles, 1488-1568. 1545 (1545) STC 5889; ESTC S114534 31,890 79

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spretes / which as they saye do apeare vnto men and desire their helpe / prayeng / that masses / pilgremages other like supersticious ceremonies māye be done for them / for euen the same night bogges / like as they in old tyme were among the heithē / so are they now also among the turkes Nether is it wonder yf the deuel cā disguyse him in the fourme of a dead man / seyng he can transfigure himselfe in to an aungel of light But to the intent that the vnprofitable purgatory do vs no harme in oure heades / we wil go forth farther The inuocacion of sayntes hath euen such a foundacion as purgatory hath / namely none at all But a wonderfull thing is it to expresse / how the ymaginacions of mē haue euer bene enclyned to ydolatrie and therfore is it not for nought that the first precepte among ten / was so well beaten in to the Iewes / that they shulde honoure but one god / and haue no straunge goddes Now to haue a straunge god / what is it els / saue to put hope and trust in a creature / and not in god the maker onely Christ saieth come to me all ye that laboure and are ouercharged / I will refreshe you And what soeuer ye aske the father in my name / he wil geue it you Is that trew I suppose no man will denye it Yf it be trew thē / why do not we beleue it Wherfore call we not vpon god the father / thorow his onely be gotten sone Iesus Christ / seyng we are sure that he denieth vs no petyciō But we will se the argumentes of oure aduersarye / wherbye he goeth oboute to proue the inuocation of saynctes We beleue saieth he the promes of Christ but because we trust not to oure owne strēgth / therfore seke we aduocates to pray vnto god for vs like as it is in great prynces courtes / where matters are dispatched by the counselours whō the prince loueth O what a grosse likenesse is that hath a prynce mortall anye thing in this poynt that maye be resēbled vnto god Two speciall causes ther be / wherfore one must haue to do with lordes vpōn erth thorow mediatours aduocates / namely ignoraunce of the lordes / mutabilite of their myndes For they cā not know what one desyreth / excepte some body tell thē It is also vncertayne / whether they will graunt that one desyreth of them or no. But so is it not with god Christ saieth your father knoweth wher of ye haue nede / afore ye praye vnto him And what so euer ye praye vnto the father in my name / he will geue it you Here is it euydēt / that nether ignoraunce ner chaunheablenesse of mynde hath place with god This symilitude also concernyng the great prynces of the world / is false / like as it is false that they saye they beleue the promes of Christ For yf they constauntly beleued that they shuld be heard thorow Christ / they wold seke no help of other But seyng they cōfesse that they trust not their owne erroure / in that they vnderstōd not / that this promes was made not thorow our deseruyng / but thorow the deseruyng of Christ And where they will kepe them selues from beyng to bold of god / they fall to their owne hurt in to the head synne of desperaciō or infidelite And yf they contynue therin / they nede not loke to opteyne any thing of god / as S. Iames testifieth / who exhorteth vs to praye in faith / and not to dowte For who so dowteth sayeth he is like vnto the wawes of the see / that are tossed and blowne of the wynd Let not such a man thinke / that he shal receaue any thing of the lorde In matters of the world / it is not accompted no god witt for a man to leaue a thing certayne for a thing vncertayne / and as the dogg dyd in Esopes fables / to let the flesh fall / and to folowe the shadow ther of And how much more vndiscrete a thing maye it be estemed / whan in such a greate matter concernyng euerlasting saluacion / one forsaketh it that without contradiction is true / foloweth another thing / wher it maye be dowted whether it be true or no. That we are heard thorow Christe / we be certayne / whyle we are so taught of the verite it selfe But how cā we be sure that oure prayer is heard for any sayntes sake / seyng that of the inuocacion of saynctes there is no mencion made in the scripture / but the contrary is euydentlie declared in many places Christ answereth the deuell after this maner thou shalt worshippe the lorde thy god / and him onely shalt thou honoure And what nede we many probacions Let him shew vs one place in the scripture / where one saynt called vpon another Yf the inuocacion of sayntes were profitable / why dyd not Moses call vpon Abraham Isaac Iacob / seyng he heard god him selfe saye I am the god of Abraham / Isaac and of Iacob Why dyd not Dauid and the other prophetes call vpon Moses / as the chefe prophet of god And wher / fore dyd not the Iewes that came after call vpon Dauid / who had such good recorde of god himselfe / that he sayed / I haue found a mā after myne owne hert / which shal accomplishe all my will And after the commyng of Christ why dyd not the Apostles call vpon Ihon the baptist / concernyng whom they had heard these wordes of oure Sauioure among such as are borne of women arose none greater then Ihon the baptist It is not lickelye ye deare Iudges / that these holy men of whom I now haue made mencion / were so negligēt / or so vnkynde of stomake toward vs / that yf they had knowne and bene persuaded that the inuocacion of sayntes were for oure saluacion or acceptable to god / they wolde not let vs knowe therof Therfore do I esteme it a daungerous thing / without scripture yea agaynst the open scripture / to set vp the inuocation of sayntes / as a seruyce acceptable to god Nether can I alowe the obiection of those / that go aboute to mēteyne such opynions by olde and long custome / or by miracles For as touching custome / yf all were to be commended that hath bene long and of old tyme vsed / then the blasphemous vse of the heithen with their ydols must be set vp agayne / which with one consent of so many nacions endured many yeares afore the commyng of Christ Thus mighte advowtrie al so and other vyces be manteyned / seyng they be committed so oft and in so many places But what is lesse commendable / than to go aboute thorow an euell custome to set vp / a thing that is openly agaynst the lawe of god / yea men in their lawes will suffre no such euell customs we to take vpon vs to be iudges ouer