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A29834 Kedarminster-stuff, a new piece of print, or, A remnant of Mr. Baxter's piae fravdes unravelled being an appendix to Nonconformists plea for peace impleaded / by J.B. Worcestershire. J. B. (John Browne); Long, Thomas, 1621-1707. Non-conformists plea for peace impleaded. 1681 (1681) Wing B5121; ESTC R6607 28,766 44

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Papal Vsurpations and imposing of things unnecessary as necessary to Vnion and Communion hath been the great cause of Schisms throughout the Christian world for this thousand years And p. 226. that they who still obey such dividing Imposers do continue Schisms in the Church by encouraging the causes of them Where by dividing Imposers we must understand the King Parliament and Clergy of England for who else can he pretend to say imposes upon them And if no body imposeth on them why doth he clamour and complain of dividing Imposers What mean those black Characters he gives the conforming Clergy of England of deliberately perjured persons and a hundred the like What People fearing God would not abhor such a Ministry and in spite of all lawful Authority fight and die do and suffer any thing rather than hazard their Souls in trusting them to the care and conduct of such Ministers Interpret who will his meaning in suggesting it as the opinion of some Casuists That Humane Laws bind not when they are not for the common good of which good the people must be judge Adding That he had rather say When they are notoriously against the Laws of Christ and the common good intimating the Laws of England to be such for what Laws else are they concern'd with Had Mr. Baxter a mind to preach Sedition what would he say more None that designe Sedition will teach it openly and in terminis that will not take It must be done insinuatingly and disguisedly as c. Yet Mr. Baxter in the name of the rest of the Nonconformists would have Princes forbid and punish all that propagate seditious and disloyal Doctrine and would have the strictest Laws made to punish any Nonconformists that shall be proved guilty of Sedition or Disloyalty SECT X. Kneeling ANother Scruple of the Pleaders which the Impleader hath past by is kneeling at the Sacrament And of all the ugly Pimples that flush in the face of Nonconformist Churches there 's none looks worse than this upon the account of that great breach that of it self it makes in Church-Communion the Word and Sacrament being the two principal materials of Church-Communion And for this he urges nothing but the old Cant in four particulars First Sitting being the Table-gesture Sitting as men do at Meat saith he p. 150. is certainly lawful Answ As though the Lords Supper were a common Feast and the administration of it to be guided by the Rules of common Table-fellowship and if so why do not Dissenters receive it with their Hats on for that is as correspondent to the ordinary Table-gesture as sitting is Secondly He urges the Example of Christ Whereas 1. 'T is not certain what gesture Christ used All that we read of it is Luke 22.14 15 20. John 21.20 that he did eat the Passover with his Disciples in a tricliniary gesture which we now express by sitting Whereas 1. It was the ordinary custom of the Jews to change their gesture Buxt Syn. Judaic cap. 13. even during the Passover it self whereas the Sacrament was 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 says the Text Luke 22.20 Beside 't is nowhere said that Christ and his Disciples continued in the Table gesture at the blessing of the Holy Supper 2. There 's the same reason for our imitation of Christ in one circumstance as well as another and so if we must imitate Christ at the Sacrament in Gesture why not in Time and Place also and so as Christ did in an upper-room after Supper c. But 3. If we must imitate Christ's practice herein we must receive it kneeling i. e. in conformity to the custom of the Church where we live so did Christ and his Apostles they received the Passover in that Gesture which was then in use in the Jewish Church Thirdly A third thing he urges against kneeling which I believe is as much against his own knowledge is the custom of the Church Catholick and the Canons of general Councils particularly Nice 1 Can. 20. that prohibiteth Adoration on any Lords-day in the year Answ Though Mr. Baxter alledge this to amuse his Followers yet he knows 1. That that same Council which forbad Genuflexion did require standing and not sitting And 2. That that injunction of the Church was onely to signifie their belief and joy concerning their own and Christ's Resurrection and not to continue in the Church after the Resurrection was sufficiently believed for if it were still binding we must receive the Sacrament standing and not sitting or kneeling But 3. Admit that the Primitive Christians did receive the Sacrament kneeling which they did not yet that would not prove kneeling unlawful upon this account because the Church is not bound to observe always the same indifferent Rites and Gestures for though Christ and his Apostles sate when they taught the people Act. 16.13 yet all Ministers are not bound thereby to the same Gesture Fourthly A fourth scruple he has against kneeling is its symbolizing scandalously with idolatrous Papists who signifie thereby Bread-worship or Idolatry Answ This same Argument is as good against sitting for that is as much a symbolizing with Papists Arrians and Heathens Durand rat l. 4. 1. Papists The Pope himself at some Solemnities Alt. Dam. c. 10. receives the Eucharist sitting And the Benedictine Monks the Thursday before Easter receive it sitting 2. Sitting is a symbolizing with Arrians The Arrians in Poland denying the Divinity of Christ Syn. Craco were the first Authors known to those Churches of this sitting gesture 3. 'T is a symbolizing with Pagans Sitting was the ordinary gesture of Worship in the Romish Pagan Idolatry Plutarch affirms That the ancient Laws of their Pagan-worship required ut adoraturi sedeant that they worship sitting Now if symbolizing with Papists be a sufficient Argument against kneeling why is not symbolizing with Papists Arrians and Heathens a good Argument against sitting and so Christ's institution of the Sacrament made void by admitting no gesture to be lawful Yet by this superstitious fear of sin in kneeling do they break Communion with us and scare many wholly from the Sacrament in publick and private both like that good Physician that out of tenderness to his Patient lest he should hurt himself by drinking stole his silver Cup. 'T is enough to shew that this scruple like the rest doth not arise from any tenderness of Conscience but peevishness and obstinacy that the Church of England hath so openly and plainly declared against all adoration of the Sacramental Bread and Wine Rubrick after the Communion or any corporal presence of Christ's natural flesh and bloud therein And is it not shameful obstinacy when men shall be so tempted to contemn that sacred Ordinance which the Primitive Christians so begg'd upon their knees that it shoul'd so superstitiously be made the cause of Strife and Division which was intended to unite us in love to one another That men should chuse to go to Goal rather than to the
with the King at Oxford were the Judas's of England and it were just with God to give them their portions with Judas p. 13. That those that engaged in this Cause i. e. the War against the King and the Covenant were unjustly charged with Rebellion p. 38. That it was Gods Cause and it should at last prevail And in his Speech at Guild-hall Oct. 6. 1643. That this Cause was every way so just and good that if he had as many lives as he hath hairs of his head he would be willing to sacrifice them all in that Cause i. e. the War against the King So Mr. Case in his Sermon before the House of Commons on Ezek. 20.25 Epist Dedic Ye i. e. the Parliament have overcome the Lion and the Bear why may ye not overcome this uncircumcised Philistine who hath not ceased to blaspheme the Armies of the living God Behold HE lies groveling at your feet what doth there remain but CVTTING OFF HIS HEAD And in his Sermon on Ezra 10.2 How hath the preaching of Christ scorched those Cathedral Priests the unhallowed Generation of Scribes and Pharisees and perfected their Rebellion into that unpardonable sin against the Holy Ghost Mr. Case on Dan. 11.32 before the House of Commons Cursed be he that holdeth his Sword from Bloud that spares when the Lord says strike p. 24. that suffers those to escape whom God hath appointed to destruction In a Sermon on Isai 43.4 What a sad thing is it my Brethren to see our King in the head of an Army of Babylonians refusing to be called the King of England Scotland and Ireland and chusing rather to be called the King of Babylon Again p. 18. Prelacy and Prelatick Clergie Priests and Jesuits Ceremonies and Service-book were mighty Impediments in the way of Reformation and God hath mightily pull'd them down Preaching to a Court-Martial on 2 Chron. 19.6 You know says he how the Midianites i. e. the King and his Party with whom you have to do have vext you with their Wiles and laboured to obstruct and cut us all off in our passage to the Land of Promise that blessed Reformation which the Parliament consult for Assemblies dispute for Armies fight for and all good Christians pray for therefore do you honour God in avenging your Brethren on those Midianites in doing execution on those Enemies of Christ and the Kingdom And in his Book of the Covenant delivered in three Sermons He that hath been a Malignant or Neutral let him be so no more for I protest against every man that after his striking this solemn Covenant with God shall dare to persist in any of these mentioned Abominations i. e. adhering to the King Ceremonies c. he is an Enemy to Christ a Traytor to the Kingdom a State murderer a destroyer of himself and his Posterity c. Mr. Herle in his Sermon before the House of Commons on 1 King 22.22 p. 28. If the Devil can but get a Prophet to leave Gods service for the Kings he hath taken a Blue already and is ready for as deep a Black as Hell can give him There may be produced many thousand instances of the like shewing how active they were in and how far contributing to the late Civil War and consequently the Murder of the King And thus they whose first Institution made them Messengers of glad tidings between God and his People have made themselves Heraulds to denounce war between Gods Vicegerent and his Subjects and that not onely by casting a slur upon the King and representing him as unworthy to be King but by clamouring against Bishops and Ceremonies Mr. Blair Mr. Jenkins as the blinde brood of Antichrist Popish trash and trumpery c. Which same method is just now reviving I pray God prevent the same sad consequents and effects But notwithstanding all this they still out-face the Sun and say as the Pleader doth That they preacht and wrote against the War and Regicidie and that they were of those who restored the King But alas when Galeatos serò duelli poenituit When the Independents had rode them like fools they were glad to part Stakes 'T is certain these Presbyterians never attempted the Kings restoring till they were visibly in th● very jaws of the Phanaticks that would suffer them to domineer no longer but were then seizing on their Tithes and Churches the last morsel of their Spiritual Revenues So that as one said if the Tithe-pig had not cry'd louder in their ears than either their Conscience or the Word of God they had not been awakened to attempt it Mr. Baxter objects That it was not the Presbyterian but a rude conquering Army that put the King to death Answ A rude conquering Army were the immediate Agents but who impower'd them to do it those Under-parties and inferiour Sects How broke they in upon us but at the Schism and breach that Presbyterians first made This point of Nonconformists guilt as to the promoting of the War and the Kings death may be cleared from other Topicks as the Covenant c. But hanc movere nolo Camerinam In asserting Nonconformist Loyalty Mr. Baxter proceeds to tell us p. 30. That Princes and Rulers may forbid all that preach Rebellion or Sedition that propagate such wicked Doctrine and that they may punish them that do it p. 247. And that they shall never be against making the strictest Laws to punish Nonconformists that shall be proved guilty of Sedition or disloyalty c. Answ Not to call Nonconformists disloyal or seditious I leave to the Readers judgment these things following which Mr. Baxter in his first Plea speaks not as his own onely but as the sentiment of his whole Party He teaches p. 226. That Pastors preached against the will of Princes for three hundred years and after that against the will of Christian Princes And p. 26. That God hath wrought Miracles to justifie those that would not cease preaching when Princes yea Christian Princes have forbid them Particularly the Bishops of Africa who for preaching when the King forbad them had their tongues cut out by the Kings command and yet spake freely after their tongues were cut out Where though he call them Christian Princes yet all that he alledges for it proves no such thing but that those Princes were all Arrians or usurping Conquerours Is this disloyal and seditious or not to argue the duty of Nonconformists preaching in disobedience to Christian Princes and in spite of their Laws from Ministers disobeying such Usurpers and Arrians as he instances in Valens Constantius c. that because Athanasius Basil and Miletius preached notwithstanding the prohibition of Arrian Princes that therefore Nonconformists of England must notwithstanding the Interdict of the King What doth this argue unless the King and Clergy of England were Usurpers that had not the power of forbidding them to preach or Arrians that would not suffer any Ministers to preach Christ Again he tells us p. 225. That