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A42872 Master Glyn's reply to the Earle of Straffords defence of the severall articles objected against him by the House of Commons Published by speciall direction, out of an authentick copy. Glynne, John, Sir, 1603-1666.; England and Wales. Parliament. House of Commons. 1641 (1641) Wing G892; ESTC R213348 35,221 58

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manner of rents were levied by souldiers no such thing but such rents as were designed for payment of the Army he proved by Sir Arthur Terringham the laying of souldiers once for the payment of a summe of mony but sir Arthur being demanded whether it were the Kings rents or comprehended within the same generall rule he could make no answer thereunto Your Lordships remember he sayes he did not know it and therefore probably it was the Kings rents and doubtlesse it was so But if he had produced presidents it could not be an authority for Treason that if people did not appeare to his orders he must levie warre against the Kings subjects and for his extenuation of the warre that the same was of no great danger there being not above five or six souldiers layd at a time I would to God the people oppressed by it had cause to undervalue it I am sure foure or six Musketiers are as strong to oppresse a man as foure thousand so the matter of fact is strongly and expresly proved Besides though there came not above foure or five to a house yet the authority given to the Sergeant was generall he might have brought more if hee had listed and in truth hee brought as many as the estate of the party would maintain And as to the not producing of the Warrant I have already answered it If it were in the case of a Deed wherin men call for witnesses it were something but God forbid that the Treason should be gone and the Traitor not questionable if his warrant can be once put out of the way The next Article which is laid to his charge is for issuing out a Proclamation and Warrant of restraint to inhibit the Kings subjects to come to the Fountaine their Soveraigne to deliver their complaints of their wrongs and oppressions Your Lordships have heard how hee hath exercised his jurisdiction and now he raises a battery to secure and make it safe If he doe wrong perhaps the complaint may come to the gracious eares of a King who is ready to give reliefe and therefore he must stop these cries and prevent these meanes that hee may goe on without interruption And to that end he makes propositions here that the Kings subjects in Ireland should not come over to make complaint against Ministers of State before an addresse first made to himselfe It is true hee makes a faire pretence and shew for it and had just cause of approbation if he had intended what he pretended But as soon as he came into Ireland what use made hee of it he ingrosses the proceedings of almost all the Courts of Justice into his owne hands and so pre-possesses the King by a colourable proposition and prevents their comming over before they had made their addresse to himselfe and then he becomes the wrong doer and issues Proclamations for the hindering of the Kings subjects to seeke redresse without his leave which is as great a proofe of his designe and as great an injury to the people governed under a gracious Prince as a heart can conceive And what his intention was in exhibiting this proposition it will appeare in the sentence of a poor man one David who was censured and most heavily fined for comming over into England to prosecute complaint against my Lord of Strafford It is true that this was not the cause expressed but this was the truth of the matter Your Lordships remember a clause in the order at Councell Boord whereby is set forth the cause wherefore the party is not sentenced which I never saw in an order before nor should now but that my Lord foresaw there was danger in it that he might be charged in this place for the fact and therefore puts in negatively why the party was not censured Clausula inconsulta inducit suspitionem And how defends he this Article he sayes his Predecessours issued Proclamations to hinder the Kings subjects from going over lest they should joyne with O Neale and Tirconnell beyond sea and so it might be dangerous to the State but because they may joyn with Forreiners shall they therefore not come to the King to make just complaint what this argument is I referre to your Lordships judgments Then he pretends a former president affirming that the like Instructions were given to my Lord of Faulkland but was there any that none should come to their Soveraigne to make their just appeale if injured Surely there was never any such Instruction before and I hope never will be againe The next Article is the nineteenth And now when hee had so plentifully exercised his tyranny over the lives the liberty and the estates of the Kings subjects A man would think he could goe no further but see a Tyranny exercised beyond that and that is over the Consciences of men hitherto hee dealt with the outward man and now hee offers violence to the inward man and imposes an Oath upon the Kings subjects and so exerciseth a tyranny over the Consciences of men And setting aside the matter of the Oath if he hath authority and power to impose such an Oath as he shall frame he may by the same power impose any Oath to compell Consciences He pretends a Warrant from his Majestie to doe it but the Kings Ministers are to serve the King according to law and I dare be bold to say and we have good reason to thank God for it if any of the Kings Ministers tell him that any Command he gives is against law there is no doubt but in his goodnesse and piety hee will withdraw his Command and not enforce execution and therefore if there were an errour the King is free and the Ministers to be justly charged with it But there was no Command from the King to compell and enforce them to take the Oath by the power of the Star-chamber to commit them to prison to impose heavie fines and tyrannize over them all which he did in the case of Steward And now one would have thought hee had acted his part when he had acted as much as lay in his own power and yet he goes beyond this he was not content to corrupt all the streames which was not a diverting of the course as he spoke in his answer for he not onely turned the course of the water but changed the nature of it converted it into poyson a legall and just proceeding into a Tyrannicall and Arbitrary government which is not turning but corrupting of the cleere and christall streams to bitternesse and death But yet the Fountaine remains cleere and perhaps when his hand is taken off you shall have the streames run as pure and uncorrupt as ever they did This is it troubles him remove but this obstacle and the work is perfect and therefore now he will goe about to corrupt the streames if hee can but infuse his poyson into the Kings heart which is the Fountain then all is done and now he attempts that and approacheth the
Throne endeavours to corrupt the Kings goodnesse with wicked counsels but God be thanked he finds too much piety there to prevaile And therefore the next Article is that that charges him to be an Incendiary to the warre betwixt the two Kingdomes and now I shall be bold to unfold the mysterie and answer his objection To what purpose should he be an Incendiary were it not better to enjoy his estate in peace and quietnesse then have it under danger of a warre Now your Lordships shall have the Riddle discovered The first thing hee doth after his comming into England is to incense the King to a warre to involve two Nations of one faith and under one Soveraigne to imbrue their hands in each others blood and to draw Armies into the field That he was this Incendiary give me leave to revive your Lordships memories with the proofes which will make it plaine and first give me leave to note unto your Lordships that his Majestie with much wisedome did in July 1639. make a pacification with his subjects and even at the very heeles of this pacification when all things were at peace upon the tenth of September which was the next moneth but one your Lordships remember the sentence of Steward in the Star-chamber of Ireland for not taking the oath your Lordships may call to mind the language my L. of Strafford was pleased to use of the Scots when all was in quietnesse he then calls them no better then Traitours and Rebels if you will beleeve what the witnesse testifies whom my Lord is pleased to call a School-master And truly admit hee were so because he is a School-master therefore not to be beleeved is a non sequitur And another witnesse one Loftus speaks to the words though not in the same manner but I say the tenth of September when things were at peace and rest when the King was pleased to be reconciled to them by that pacification what boiled in his breast then to the breaking forth of such expressions I know not unlesse it were an intention to be an Incendiary My Lords I must say and affirme and he hath not proved it to the contrary that all this while I am confident there was not any breach of the pacification on either side and it lyes on his part to prove there was But the Parliament of Scotland then sitting and making preparation for their demands in pursuance of the Articles of pacification hee comming over into England in September immediately upon the pacification answers That he found things so distracted here that it was fit the Scots should be reduced by force if they could not be otherwise yet no breach appeares no war was denounced there was no intention of a warre But see what harboured in his breast all the while The fourth of December following my Lord Traquaire made his relation to the Councell of the Scots proceedings and all this while there was no Demands brought by the Scots themselves nor reason of their Demands brought by others though they were prepared yet you have heard his advice was for an offensive warre and that the Demands were a just cause of the war And though he pretends hee said no more then what the rest of the Lords of the Councell concurred with him in I will joyne in issue with him in that and if some of your Lordships be not satisfied you have many noble Lords among you from whom you may be satisfied that it is not so I am sure he proves it not It is true in the proposition of the Demands some of the Lords of the Councell did say that these Demands hypothetically if the Scots did not give satisfaction by their reasons were a just cause of warre but not any Lord of the Councell was of opinion that the very Demands positively without hearing of the reasons were a just cause of warre but himselfe and I beleeve the noble Lords of the Councell their Consciences can tell them and I beleeve will deliver it to the rest of the Peeres that I speake truth For the offensive warre he pretends a concurrence of the rest but it was disproved many were for it upon these termes if they did not give reasons and shew just cause for their Demands and many were against an offensive warre upon any terms and therefore herein he fixes that upon the Lords of the Councell that hee cannot make good All this while his intentions are discovered by a matter precedent but after the breach he discovers his anger further towards the Scottish Nation and makes it his designe to incense the King to this warre My Lords hee is not at an end yet for he confesses himselfe that hee advised the King to call a Parliament and now I come to his work of merit but it was to his destruction and serves to prove this Article directly for to what purpose was this Parliament called Exitus acta probat it was no sooner set but within three weekes a proposition is made for supply towards a warre against the Scots who was the cause of calling the Parliament himselfe and therefore who was the cause of this proposition but himselfe and so the calling of the Parliament is a concurring evidence of his being an Incendiary to put on the warre and it shall appeare anon absolutely that he was the occasion of it though he thinkes there be no proofe of it Did not he goe over into Ireland and by his solicitation there Subsidies were granted by the Parliament onely to maintaine this warre and to shew their ingagement in it and who was the occasion of drawing them on I referre to your Lordships judgements by the circumstances precedent Your Lordships heard his good opinion of the Scots when he began to discourse with the Citizens touching money and their affording of the King supply and seising the mint by giving them no better expressions than Rebels for saith he you are more forward to help the Rebels than to pay the King his owne I know not who hee meant but certainly the Scots were in his thoughts so that from the beginning he incensed the warre against them first hee exclaimed against them during time of peace He alledges in his answer that things were found in such distraction that it was fit the Scots should be reduced by force he gave advice precipitately without hearing the reasons and not concurrent to the Councell for an offensive warre and putting all together I referre it to your Lordships judgement who is the Incendiary for how can it be proved more cleerely unlesse it should appeare under his hand and seale proved by two or three witnesses Now my Lords how comes this to be his designe here the mystery comes to be unfolded Having thus incensed to the warre and ingaged the King to the uttermost and having a Parliament now dissolved without supply he sets up an Idol of his owne creation as a means to draw on his designe and that was necessity necessity is it