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A56601 An appendix to the third part of The friendly debate being a letter of the conformist to the non-conformist : together with a postscript / by the same author.; Friendly debate between a conformist and a non-conformist. Part 3, Appendix Patrick, Simon, 1626-1707. 1670 (1670) Wing P746; ESTC R13612 87,282 240

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