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A08697 A letter of a Catholike man beyond the seas, written to his friend in England including another of Peter Coton priest, of the Society of Iesus, to the Queene Regent of France / translated out of French into English ; touching the imputation of the death of Henry the IIII, late K. of France, to priests, Iesuites, or Catholicke doctrine. Owen, Thomas, 1557-1618.; Coton, Pierre, 1564-1626. 1610 (1610) STC 19000; ESTC S1326 18,060 49

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where for a perpetuall infamy and confusion of those that are there of the pretended reformed religion In Flanders also what part therof hath beene free from the like ruines massakcres effectuated by thē that there rebelled against their natural Soueraigne of whome as yet remayneth one part in Holland and Zeland in Scotland what seditious rebellious were stirred vp first against the noble Queene Marie Regent of Scotland Grandmother to our Soueraigne that now raigneth by those stirring Ministers Knox Goodman Dowglasse and others afterward against Queene Marie Regnāt Mother of our Soueraign by the Lords of the Cōgregation as they called themselues indeed Hereticall rebells with direction of their Ministers assisting them in person and all according to the rules of their Ghospel that is of Heresy whose substance and nature is as before is sayd to be of it selfe a rebelliō against the Catholike Religiō Catholike Kings Princes And to cōclude with England we haue seene that in fiue yeares time or therabout of the Catholike raigne of Queene Marie were broached and set on foote more Rebellions by proportiō then in fortie yeares of her Protestant Sister Queene Elizabeth next following her And this is the cause why in these Coūtreys wise men discoursing of this matter esteemed it a most ridiculous thing that Lutherās or Caluinists or any other Hereticks should obiect to the Catholike Church the doctrine of rebellion and killing of their Kings and Princes which is a thing so contrary to al Catholike Religion and so naturall to heresy it selfe as appeareth by the Coūcell of Constance Sess 15. where they are condemned for heretikes that doe obstinatly hould any such propositions that euery Tyrāt ought to be killed and that he may be killed both lawfully and meritorously by any vassell or subiect of his and that by any deceiptfulnes or subtilitie notwithstanding any oath or agreement made to the contrary that without any sentence or iudgment These were the propositiōs of Wickliffe then cōdemned by that Catholike Councel these are the propositiōs of the hereticks of our time Luther Caluin Beza Buchanan others their companions by thē most iniuriously restrained in particuler to the Princes thē liuing as namely to Charles the 9. King of France yea to the Q. Mother al her whelpes as they tearmed thē that is all her honorable Childrē the sayd King Charles with al his brethren likewise Q. Mary of Englād other Princes of Germany which doctrine practice of the hereticks of our time is condemned by the doctrine and practice of the Catholike Church at this time so that the hereticks obiecting to Catholikes any such doctrine or practices do but vse the way of preuention like naughty womē who knowing what is to be obiected to them will first of all in scoulding obiect it to others And here comming to make an end of my Letter I haue thought good to ad one thing in steed of newes and in few wordes let you vnderstand what is the iudgement here about the Oath that you cal of Allegiāce the rumor wherof is now spread through the whole world many books are abroad about that subiect the wisest sort of men heere leauing a fide their iudgements about the questions themselues set downe in that oath to wit about the Kinges lawfull right title to the Crowne of other forraine Princes authoritie as they say leauing I say the discussing of them aside they doe much disproue the only proposing therof to subiects to be by them confirmed by oath For say they a King already in peaceable possessiō of his Crown should no more propose to his subiects the discussion of his rights and titles for that no mā of any consciēce can sweare any such thing whithout perfect examination triall and knowledge therof by the which he may be sure in Conscience of swearing truly and so the subiects are forced to enter into diuers considerations of many circūstances which were more cōuenient for thē to belieue thē to examin being such oftētimes that learned Lawiers cōming to discusse thē are so doubtful that neither they nor the Princes thēselus wil be so bould to sweare them being content to remaine in Lawfull possession against any pretender that shall oppose himselfe Yea if by any such occasion of questiō made about any such right or title warre should chance to be waged the subiects are to belieue their Princes and Countreis cause to be iust may without any preiudice of their saluation yea are bound to shed their bloud in such a cause yet are not they bound nor the Prince himselfe to take an oath that his cause is iust and therfore it were great imprudency for a Prince in such a cause to tender such an oath to his souldiers for so he should find his companies much diminished and therof would follow that euident absurditie that if the souldiers of ech side should sweare their owne Kinges cause to be iust all the souldiers of one side must needes be forsworne it being as Deuines do hold impossible that any warres should be iust on both sides no more then in law that ech part should haue truth and iustice on his side because that such questions that eyther by warre or by Law are to be decided doe alwayes consist in a contradiction by affirming and denying one and the same thing and by such oathes as the one side must alwayes needes bee forsworne so the other must needes do ill in swearing rashly such doubtfull things Much lesse is it thought conuenient to propose to subiects the examining of the power right of any forraine King or of the Authoritie of the Pope himselfe aboue Kings and Princes not only for the same reasons but also because therby many learned men which before were quiet and without any question yealded obedience to the prince are not only forced openly to refuse such an Oath pertaining to faith about the Authority of Christ his Vicar vpon earth but also openly to professe the contrary both by word and writing And such sort of Oathes that are taken by force with doubt of mind and scruple of conscience doe rather hurt then good euen to that end to the which they are giuen For whensoeuer any occasiō should happē of shewing their loue and affection towards their Prince they would allwayes be found most backward that haue beene so iniuriously forced to take such Oaths against their wil and peraduenture would dispense with themselues for the performance of them as vniustly exacted and rashly made and they would alwaies be found most faithfully in keeping all loyalty towards their Prince who do offer themselues most ready to sweare the same and do plainely refuse to sweare any more For as this they do refuse for their duty towards God so that they will performe for their duty towardes their King and towards God that gaue them him Quia omnis potestas à Deo est and this is according to our Sauiours prescript Reddere quae sunt Caesaris Caesari quae sunt Dei Deo This only all wise men in these parts do agree vpon wherin I assure my selfe no man with you of any wisdome will any way contradict that euery subiect is bound in Conscience to obay his lawfull Prince and that also to promise by Oath when it shal be exacted And such an Oath although in other Realmes through the whole world is not wont to be exacted of all subiects but only of the Magistrates and Gouernours of others yet such occasion may fall out that it may stand with prudence to tender it to euery one in particuler and such an Oath of obedience towardes his Prince and Soueraigne no good Catholicke will refuse nor Catholicke Doctrine doth disallow Yours euer T. A. The occation of writing this letter The Iesuits iniuriously slaundered Mariana his opinion cōdemned by all other writers of the Society and the Court of Parlament in Frāce The Authors intentiō Tolet. Bellarmine Valētia Salmer● Del-Rio Heissius Becanus Gretser Lessius Serarius Azor. Richeome The opinion of Mariana condemned in a Cōgregatiō of the Society in Frāce and mis liked by the Generall of the same order Malice of Protestants The generall opinion of Iesuites touching Kings Tren l. 5. c. 24. Rom. 13. 1. 3. Pet. 2. Baru 1. 11. The pious intentiō of the Authour Malicious dealing The Society most exposed to hatred An Apostrophe to Frāce God hath turned this slāder raised against the Society to the best The Society in fact and doctrine as obsequious to Kings as any other Order Mariana not resolute in the opinion for which he is cōdemned by the Aduersaries Mariana speaketh only of Tyrāts Mariana his book and doctrine cōdemned for hatred to the Society Sathan the Author Father of all Iyers slanderers An ancient deuise to draw matters of religion into crims of State Exāples in the new testament Our Sauiour called into questiō for matter of state against the Emperour condemned for the same Gods seuere punishment vpon vniust iudges Heresies haue first sprōg vp in our dayes by rebellion The practise of Protestantes in matters of rebelliō Rebellious doctrine proper vnto Protestants and condēned by Catholicks What strangers doe iudge speake of the oath of allegiāce and the proposing therof The discussing of the Popes Authority not conuenient Forced swearing more hurtfull then profitable Matt. 22