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A87928 A letter from a grave gentleman once a member of this House of Commons, to his friend, remaining a member of the same House in London. Concerning his reasons why he left the House, and concerning the late treaty. Grave gentleman once a member of this House of Commons. 1643 (1643) Wing L1403; Thomason E102_13; ESTC R21285 19,142 24

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other before the difference were ended and upon this Reason the King receded from that Condition never expecting that they would so soon have forgotten their owne Logicke and have demanded That when Differences were ended this Approbation that is this strength should for three yeares continue in them And sure the King is in a miserable Condition if neither a Cessation nor a Treaty be a fit time or meanes for Him to recover his Owne But say you the Feares and Iealousies of the People must be satisfied Say I the People must be satisfied That there was Cause of Feares and Iealousies And one Cause of their Demand is That these things would appeare to have been taken without Reason if they were restored without Conditions But this may be an Argument to them to aske it I am sure it can be none to the King to grant for then by the contrary Argument the King is necessitated to insist that they be restored without Limitations or Conditions because He can never confesse that they were taken from Him with any Reason or Colour Sir though you have great Abundance of Feares and Iealousies yet you have not hoorded them so up but you have given some to the King certainly if when these things were in his Hands they were wrested by you from Him you may doe it with much greater case if you have more then halfe the Hold as you confesse in the Poynt of the Shipps that the allowing of Approbation of the Commanders gives up the strength And nothing can be more ridiculous then for you to pretend to feare Him when He shall have those whom you did not feare when He had them Certainly if you had apprehended this Power as you pretend you would never when he was vested in it have offered Him such injuries and denied Him such Rights as you never offered or denied to His Predecessors at least you would have thought that Power if not able to punish you yet able to defend it selfe and you would never have attempted so hard a work as to take it from Him This Sir is the truth and that most visibly These Powers are so farre from enabling Him to oppresse you That the least Colour of such an intention after a Peace would be the same as delivering them up to you againe They were your Leavies that made His It was you that raysed Him an Army when you gave Him the Law of His side and He will not be able to rayse another if He have once disbanded this till you give Him againe the same Advantage and you will be able to oppresse Him if He shall give it you For to feare that He shall conquer England with three or foure small Garrisons when those who now assist Him that is almost all the Gentry of England must look upon Him as the most perjurd man alive and upon themselves as dispenc't with by Him from any Obedience or Loyalty to Him is so hypocondriacall a fancy that it is either to be mad or to resolve that He is so Nothing else can so puffe Him up with some Shipps and a few Forts which without mony to Man and pay them are but so many Hulkes and but bare walles as not rather to be enclin'd to comply in any reasonable thing with the only Legall Root and spring of Mony the House of Commons that He may live in Glory and Peace then without Mony to hope to begin and conquer in an unjust Warre Who hath found it so difficult to defend Himselfe in so visibly a just one There is yet another reasonable Feare Iealousy for the King to apprehend The Nineteen Propositions in which there was presented to Him a perfect Platforme of a totall change of Government by which the Counsellors were to have been Kings and the King to have become scarce a Counsellor and nothing of the present State to have remained but Eadem Magistratuum vocabula cannot easily get out of the Kings Head or appeare to Him not to be still in theirs who were the framers and Contrivers And He hath great cause to be very wary after such an instance of some mens ends and designes this Parliament being by Law perpetuall and a Trienniall one being however to be not to give any Ground to any such Power in both Houses as may make this submitting of His known Rights in the choyce of these particulars to their Approbation a ground to continue these and draw on more of the same kind and to divide at least that Dependence with them which the Law for excellent and necessary Reasons meant only to the Crowne If Feares and Iealousies be so rewarded I doubt I shall see new ones at the Three years end that this share in conferring of Places of Power and trust may be rather encreased then lost And there could not be a greater justification and fortification of this Iealousy then to see a new Book printed by order of a Committee of the House of Commons with a Members Iohn White 's hand to it whole Title is The Soveraigne Power of Parliaments and Kingdoms asserting the Parliament and Kingdoms Right and Interest in and power over not only the Militia Ports Forts Ammunition of the Realme but likewise to make choice of the Keeper Treasurer Privy-Seale Privy-Councellors Iudges and Sheriffes of the Kingdom and denying the Kings negative Voyce to such publique Bills as both Houses deem necessary and just And if all this belong to both Houses I wonder what is left to belong to the King but to give Warrants for Bucks without consent of Parliament But say you If the King would have named persons to them He should have seen how moderate you would have been in your Exceptions Truly Sir what you would have been perhaps neither of us know but by your refusing to make the Law your Rule it seems you intended to give a very arbitrary Approbation And though you now say as we alwaies heare much of the moderation intended by you whensoever a Treaty is either broken or diverted that you would have excepted against none but impeach't persons yet I am sure in the Bill for the Militia the King offering you the same Persons whom within a few Weekes before you had offered Him for the same employments you yet excepted against fowre my Lord Marques of Hertford my Lord of Cumberland my Lord of Derby and my Lord of Lincolne because in the Interim they did not accept of a Command over the Militia without the Kings consent who could only Legally give it them and yet since the last having so much submitted his Conscience to Power that from being unsatisfied with raising Armes without the King He is come to make no scruple of bearing Armes against Him is now again so fully confided in by you that Respect to the King and Reverence to the Law appear to be the Qualities you cannot confide in and the King after such an instance hath great Reason to be wary how He either approve