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A07711	The common-vvealth of Vtopia containing a learned and pleasant discourse of the best state of a publike weale, as it is found in the government of the new ile called Vtopia. Written by the right Honourable, Sir Thomas Moore, Lord Chancellour of England.; Utopia. English	More, Thomas, Sir, Saint, 1478-1535.; Robinson, Ralph, b. 1521.; Marshall, William, fl. 1617-1650, engraver.	1639 (1639)	STC 18098; ESTC S112890	95,095	304

then why may not this extreame and rigorous justice well be called plaine injury For so cruell governance so straight rules and unmercifull lawes be not allowable that if a small offence be committed by and by the sword should be drawne Nor so stoicall ordinances are to be borne withall as to count all offences of such equality that the killing of a man or the taking of his money from him were both a matter and the one no more heinous offence then the other betweene the which two if we haue any respect to equity no similitude or equality consisteth God commandeth vs that we shall not kill And be we then so hasty to kill a man for taking a little money And if a man would understand killing by this commandement of God to be forbidden after no larger wise then mans constitutions define killing to be lawfull then why may it not likewise by mans constitutions be determined after what sort whoredome fornication and perjury may be lawfull For whereas by the permission of God no man neither hath power to kill neither himselfe no● yet any other man then if a law made by the consent of men concerning slaughter of men ought to be of such strength force and vertue that they which contrary to the commandement of God haue killed those whom this constitution of man commanded to be killed be cleane quit exempt out of the bonds danger of Gods cōmandement shall it not then by this reason follow that the power of Gods commandement shall extend no further then mans law doth define and permit And so shall it come to passe that in like manner mans constitutions in all things shall determine how farre the observation of all Gods commandements shall extend To be short Moses Law though it were ungentle and sharpe as a law that was given to bondmen yea and them very obstinate stubborne and stiffe-necked yet it punished theft by the purse and not with death And let vs not thinke that God in the new law of clemency and mercy under the which he ruleth vs with fatherly gentlenesse as his deare children hath given vs greater scope and licence to the execution of cruelty one vpon another Now you haue heard the reasons whereby I am perswaded that this punishment is unlawfull Furthermore I thinke that there is no body that knoweth not how unreasonable yea how pernitious a thing it is to the Weale publike that a theefe and an homicide or murtherer should suffer equall and like punishment For the theefe seeing that man that is condemned for theft in no lesse ●eopardy nor judged to no lesse punishment then him that is convict of manslaughter through this cogitation onely he is strongly and forcibly provoked and in a manner constrained to kill him whom else he would haue but robbed For the murder being once done he is in le●●●●eare and in more hope that the ●●●● shall not be bewrayed or knowne seeing the party is now dead and ●id out of the way which onely might haue vtt●●●● and disclosed it But if he 〈…〉 and d●s●●i●● 〈…〉 more danger and jeopardie then if he had committed but single fellony Therefore while we goe about with such cruelty to make theeues afraid we provoke them to kill good men Now as touching this question what punishment were more commodious and better that truly in my judgement is easier to be found then what punishment might be worse For why should we doubt that to be a good and a profitable way for the punishment of offendors which we know did in times past so long please the Romanes men in the administration of a Weale publike most expert politique and cunning Such as among them were convict of great and heynous trespasses them they condemne into stone quarries and into mines to digge mettall there to be kept in chaines all the daye of their life But as concerning this matter I allow the ordinance of nation so well as that which I saw whiles I travelled abroad about the world vsed in Persia among the people that commonly be called the Polylerites whose land is both large and ample and also well and wittily governed and the people in all conditions free and ruled by their owne lawes saving that they pay a yearely tribute to the great King of Persia But because they be farre from the Sea compassed and inclosed almost round about with high mountaines and doe content themselues with the fruits of their owne land which is of it selfe very fertill and fruitfull for this cause neither they goe to other Countries nor other come to them And according to the old custome of the Land they desire not to enlarge the bounds of their Dominions and those that they haue by reason of the high hills be easily defended and the tribute which they pay to their chiefe Lord and King setteth them quit and free from warfare Thus their life is commodious rather then gallant and may better be called happy or wealthy then notable and famous For they be not knowne as much as by name I suppose saving onely to their next neighbour and borders They that in this Land be attained and convict of Fellony make restitution of that which they stole to the right owner and not as they doe in other lands to the King whom they thinke to haue no more right to the theefe-stollen thing then the theefe himselfe hath But if the thing be lost or made away then the value of it is paid of the goods of such offenders which else remaineth all whole to their wiues and children And they themselues be cōdemned to be cōmon labourers and unlesse the theft be very hainous they be neither locked in prison nor fettered in gyues but be vnited and goe at large labouring in the common workes They that refuse labour or goe slowly or slacke to their worke be not only tyed in chaines but also pricked forward with stripes But being diligent about their worke they liue without checke or rebuke Every night they be called in by name and be locked in their chambers Beside their daily labour their life is nothing hard or incommodious their fare is indifferent good borne at the charges of the Weale publike because they be common servants to the Common-wealth But their charges in all places of the land is not borne alike For in some parts that which is bestowed vpon them is gathered of almes And though that way be vncertaine yet the people be so full of mercy and pitty that none is found more profitable or plentifull In some places certaine Ladies be appointed hereunto of the revenues whereof they be maintained And in some places every man giveth a certaine tribute for the same vse and purpose Againe in some part of the land these Servingmen for so be these damned persons called doe not common worke but as every private man needeth labours so he commeth into the market-place and there

bound downe on every side with many bands because it shall not run at rovers The other a princely vertue which like as it is of much higher Majesty then the other poore justice so also it is of much more liberty as to the which nothing is unlawfull that it h●steth after These manners of Princes as I said which be there so evill keepers of leagues cause the Vtopians as I suppose to make no leagues at all which perchance would change their mind if they lived here Howbeit they thinke that though leagues be never so faithfully observed and kept yet the custome or making leagues was very evill begun For this causeth men as though nations which be separate a sunder by the space of a little hill or River were coupled together by no society or bond of nature to thinke themselves borne adversaries and enemies one to another and that it were lawfull for the one to seeke the death and destruction of the other if leagues were not yea and that after the leagues be accorded friendship doth not grow and increase But the licence of robbing and stealing doth still remaine as faire forth as for lacke of fore-sight and advisement in writing the words of the league any sentence or clause to the contrary is not therein sufficiently comprehended But they be of a contrary opinion That is that no man ought to be counted an enemy which hath done no injury And that the fellowship of nature is a strong league and that men be better and more surely knit together by love and benevolence then by covenants of leagues by hearty affection of mind then by words Of War-fare VVArre or Battaile as a thing very beastly and yet no kind of beasts in so much vse as to man they doe detest and abhorre And contrary to the custome almost of all other nations they count nothing so much against glory as glory gotten in warre And therefore though they doe daily practice and exercise themselves in the discipline of warre not only the men but also the women vpon certaine appointed dayes least they should be to seek in the feat of armes if need should require yet they never goe to battaile but either in the defence of their owne Country or to drive out of their friends Land the enemies that have invaded it or by the power to deliver from the yoake and bondage of Tyrannie some people that be therewith oppressed Which thing they doe of meere pitty and compassion Howbeit they send helpe to their friends not ever in their defence but sometimes also to requite and revenge injuries before to them done But this they doe not vnlesse their counsell and advise in the matter be asked whiles it is yet new and fresh For if they find the cause probable and if the contrary part will not restoreagaine such things as be of them justly demanded then they be the chiefe authors and makers of the warre Which they doe not onely as oft as by ●●rodes and invosions of souldiers preyes and booties be driven but then also much more mortally when their friends marchants in any land either vnder the pretence of vnjust lawes or else by the wresting and wrong vnderstanding of good lawes doe sustaine an vnjust accusation vnder the colour of justice Neither the battaile which the Vtopians fought for the Nephelogetes against the Alaopolitanes a little before our time was made for any other cause but that the Nephelogete marchant men as the Vtopians thought suffered wrong of the Alaopolitans vnder the pretence of right But whether it were right or wrong it was with so cruell and mortall warre revenged the Countries round about joyning their helpe and power to the puissance and malice of both parties that most flourishing and wealthy peoples being some of them shrewdly shaken and some of them sharply beaten the mischiefes were not finished nor ended vntill the Alaopolitans at the last were yeelded vp as bondmen into the jurisdiction of the Nephelogetes For the Vtopians fought not this warre for themselves And yet the Nephelogetes before the warre when the Alaopolitanes flourished in wealth were nothing to be compared with them So eagerly the Vtopians prosecute the injuries done to their friends yea in money matters and not their owne likewise For if they by covine or g●●le be wiped beside their goods so that no violence be done to their bodies they ease their anger by abstaining from occupying with that nation untill they have made satisfaction Not for because they set lesse store by their owne Citizens then by their friends but that they take the losse of their friends money more heavily then the losse of their owne Because that their friends Merchant men for as much as that the losse is their owne private goods sustaine great damage by the losse But their own Citizens lose nothing but of the common goods and of that which was at home plentifull and almost superfluous else had it not beene sent forth Therefore no man feeleth the losse And for this cause they thinke it too cruell an act to revenge the losse with the death of man the incommodity of the which losse no man feeleth neither in his life nor yet in his living But if it chance that any of their men be in any other Country be maimed or killed whether it be done by a common or a private Councell knowing and trying out the truth of the matter by their Ambassadours unlesse the offendors be rendered unto them in recompence of the injury they will not be appeased but incontinent they proclaime Warre against them The offendors yeelded they punish either with death or with bondage They be not onely sory but also ashamed to atchieve the victory with bloodshed counting it great folly to buy precious wares too deare They rejoyce and avant themselves if they vanquish and oppresse their enemy by craft and deceit And for that act they make a generall triumph and as if the matter were manfully handled they set vp a pillar of stone in the place where they so vanquished their enemies in token of their victory For then they glory then they boast and crack that they haue plaied the men indeed when they haue so overcome as no other living creature but only man could that is to say by the might and puissance of wit For with bodily strength say they Beares Lions Boares wolfes dogs and other wild beasts doe fight And as the most pa●t of them doe passe vs in strength and fierce courage so in wit reason we be much stronger then they all Their chiefe principall purpose in war is to obtaine that thing which if they had before obtained they would not haue mooved battaile But if that be not possible they take such cruell vengeance of them which be in the fault that ever after they be affraid to doe the like This is their chiefe and principall intent which they immediatly and first of all prosecute and set forward But yet so

whom the things is given but those Cities that have given of their store to any other City that lacketh requiring nothing againe of the same City doe take such things as they lack of another City to the which they gaue nothing So the whole Iland is as it were one family or houshold But when they have made sufficient provision of store for themselves which they thinke not done vntill they haue provided for two yeares following because of the vncertainty of the next years proofe then of those things whereof they have abundance they carry forth into other Countries great plenty as Grayne honey wool flaxe wood madd●● purple died felles waxe tallow leather and living Beasts And the seaventh part of all these things they giue franckly and freely to the poore of that Country The residue they sell at a reasonable and meane price By this meanes of tra●●●que or marchandise they bring into their owne countrey nor onely great plenty of gold and silver but also all such things as they lacke at home which is almost nothing but Iron And by reason they haue long vsed this trade now they haue more abundance of these things then any man will beleeue Now therefore they care not whether they sell for ready money or else upon trust to be paid at a day and to have the most part in debts But in so doing they never follow the credence of private men but the assurance or warrantise of the whole City by instruments and writings made in that behalfe accordingly When the day of payment is come and expired the City gathereth up the debt of the private debtors and putteth it into the common boxe and so long hath the use and profit of it untill the Vtopians their creditors demand it The most part of it they never aske For that thing which is to them is no profit to take it from other to whom it is profitable they think it no right nor conscience But if the case so stand that they must lend part of that money to another people then they require their debt or when they have warre For the which purpose onely they keepe at home all the ●●ea●●re which they have to be holpen and succoured by it either in extreame jeopardies or in suddaine dangers But especially and chiefly to hire therewith and that for unreasonable great wages strange Soldiers For they had rather put Strangers in jeopardy then their owne Country-men knowing that for money enough their enemies themselves ma●y times may be bought and sold or else through treason be set together by the eares among themselves For this cause they keepe an inestimable treasure But yet not as a treasure But so they haue it and vse it as in good faith I am ashamed to shew fearing that mywordes shall not bee beleeved And this I haue more cause to feare for that I know how difficulty and hardly I my selfe would haue beleeved another man telling the same if I had not presently seene it with mine eyes For it must needes be that how far a thing is dissonant and disagreeing from the guise trade of the hearers so farre shall it be out of their beleefe Howbeit a wise and indifferent esteemer of things will not greatly meruaile perchance seeing all their other lawes and customes doe so much differ from ours if the vse also of gold and silver among them be applied rather to their owne fashions then to ours I meane in that they occupy-not money themselves but keepe it for that chance which as it may happen so it may be that it shall never come to passe In the mean time gold and silver whereof money is made they doe so vse as none of them doth more esteeme it then the very nature of the thing deserveth And then who doth not plainly see how farre it is vnder Iron as without the which men can no better liue then without fire and water Whereas to gold and silver nature hath given no vse that we may not well lacke if that the folly of men had not set it in higher estimation for the rarenesse sake But of the contrary part nature as a most tender and louing mother hath placed the best and necessary things open abroad as the ayre the water and the earth it selfe And hath remooved and hid farthest from vs vaine and vnprofitable things Therefore if these mettals among them should be fast locked vp in some Tower it might be suspected that the Prince and the Counsell as the people is ever foolishly imagining intended by some subtilty to deceiue the Commons and to take some profit of it to themselves Furthermore if they should make thereof plate and such other finely cunningly wrought stuffe if at any time they should have occasion to breake it and melt it againe therewith to pay their souldiours wages they see and perceive very well that men would be loth to part from those things that they once began to have pleasure and delight in To remedy all this they have found out a means well as it is agreable to all their other lawes and customes so it is from ours where gold is so much set by and so diligently kept very farre discripant and repug●●●t and therefore uncredible but only to them that be wise For whereas they eate and drinke in earthen and glasse veslels which indeed be curiously and properly made and yet be of very small value of gold and silver they make chamber-pots and other veslels that serve for most vile vse● not only in their common hal● but ●● every mans private house I ●…more or the same 〈…〉 they make great chaine s●●●● and gyues wherein they ●●● their bond-men Finally whosoever for a ●●●●●sence be ●●●●med by their 〈…〉 ●ang ●●●g or gold vpon their f●●gers they weare rings of gold and about their necke 〈…〉 of ●…d in conclusion then 〈…〉 tied with gold Thus by ●●●●eanes p●●●●ble they p●o●ure to have gold and 〈…〉 among them 〈…〉 and 〈…〉 And these mettals which other Nations doe as grievously and sorrowfully soregoe as in a manner their owne lives if they should altogether at once be taken from the 〈◊〉 no man there would thinke that he had lost the worth of one f●rthing They gather also pearles by the sea sid● and D●●●onds and Carbun●l●● upon certaine Rocke and yet they s●●ke ●●● for them but by chance finding them they ●ut and polish them And therewith they deck their young Infants Which like as in the first yeares of their childe hood they make much and 〈…〉 and proud of such 〈◊〉 so when they be a little ●ore growne in yeare● and dis●retio● perceiue that ●o●e but children doe weare such t●ye and trifles they ●●● them away even of the●… shame astnesse without 〈◊〉 ●●dding of their 〈…〉 our children when they waxe bigge doe cast away nuttes brouches and puppets Therefore these lawes and custome which be so far different from all

Priests the Counsell haue allowed the cause of his death him as vnworthy either to be buried or with fire to be consumed they cast v●buried into some stinking marrish The woman is not married before she be eighteene yeares old The man is foure yeares elder before he marry If eyther the man or the woman be proued to haue actually offended before their mariage with another the party that so hath trespassed is sharpely punished And both the offenders be forbidden ever after in all their life to marry vnlesse the fault be forgiven by the Princes pardon Both the good man and good wife of the house where that offence was committed as being slacke and negligent in looking to their charge be in danger of great reproach and infamy That offence is so sharpely punished because they perceiue that vnlesse they be diligently kept from the liberty of this vice few will joyne together in the loue of marriage wherein all the life must be led with one and also all the griefes and displeasures cōming therewith patiently be taken and born Furthermore in choosing wiues and husbands they obserue earnestly and straightly a custome which seemed to us very fond and foolish For a sad and honest patron sheweth the woman be she Maid or widdow naked to the wooer And likewise a sage and discreet man exhibiteth the wooer naked to the woman At this custome we laughed and disallowed it as foolish But they on the other part doe greatly wonder at the folly of all other Nations which in buying a Colt whereas a little money is in hazard be so chary and circumspect that though he be almost all bare yet they will not buy him unlesse the saddle and all the harnesse be taken off least under those coverings be hid some gall or sore And yet in chusing a Wife which shall be either pleasure or displeasure to them all their life after they be so rechlesse that all the residue of the womans body being eovered with cloathes they esteeme her scarcely by one hand breadth for they can see no more but her face and so to joyne her to them not without great jeopardy of evill agreeing together if any thing in her body after ward should chance to offend and mislike them For all men be not so wise as to have respect to the vertuous condition of the party And the endowments of the body cause the vertues of the mind more to be esteemed and regarded yea even the marriages of wise men Verily so foule deformity may be hid under those coverings that it may quite alienate and take away the mans mind from his wife when it shall not be lawfull for their bodies to be separate againe If such deformity happen by any chance after the Marriage is consummate and finished well therein no remedy but patience Every man must take his fortune well in worth But it were well done that a law were made wherby all such deceits might be eschewed and avoided before hand And this were they constrained more earnestly to looke vpon because they onely of the nations in that part of the world be content every man with one wife a piece And matrimony is there never broken but by death except adultery breake the bond or else the intollerable wayward manners of either party For if eyther of them find themselves for any such cause grieved they may by the licence of the Counsell change and take another But the other party liveth ever after in infamy and out of wedlocke Howbeit the husband to put away his wife for no other fault but for that some mishap is fallen to her body this by no meanes they will suffer for they judge it a great point of cruelty that any body in their most need of helpe and comfort should be cast off and forsaken and that old age which both bringeth sicknesse with it and is a sicknesse it selfe should unkindly and unfaithfully be delt withall But now and then it chanceth wheras the man and woman cannot well agree betweene themselves both of them finding other with whom they hope to live more quietly and merrily that they by the full consent of them both be divorsed asunder and married againe to other But that not without the authority of the Councell Which agreeth to no divorses before they and their wives have diligently tryed and examined the matter Yea and then also they be loath to consent to it because they know this to be the next way to breake love betweene man and wife to be in easie hope of a new marriage Breakers of wedlocke be punished with most grievous bondage And if both the offendors were married then the parties which in that behalfe have suffered wrong being divorced from the adulterers be married together if they will or else to whom they lust But if either of them both doe still continue in love toward so unkind a bed-fellow the vse of wedlock is not to them forbidden if the party faultlesse be disposed to follow in toyling and drudgery ●he person which for that offence is condemned to bondage And very oft it chanceth that the repentance of the one and the earnest diligence of the other doth so moue the Prince with pitty and compassion that he restoreth the bond person from seruitude to liberty and freedome againe But if the same party be taken e●●soones in that fault there is no other way but death To other trespasses no prescript punishment is appointed by any law But according to the hainousnesse of the offence or contrary so the punishment is moderated by the discretion of the Councell The husbands chastice their wives and the parents their children unlesse they have done any so horrible an offence that the open punishment thereof maketh much for the advancement of honest manners But most commonly the most hainous faults be punished with the incommodity of bondage For that they suppose to be to the offendors no le●se griefe and to the Common-wealth more profit then if they should hastily put them to death and so make them quite out of the way For their commeth more profit of their labour thē of their death and by their example they feare other the longer from like offences But if they being thus vsed do● rebell and kicke againe then forsooth they be ●laine as desperate and wild beasts whom neither prison nor chaine could restraine and keepe vnder But they which take their bondage patiently be not left al hopelesse For after they haue beene broken and tamed with long miseries if then they shew such repentance as thereby it may be perceived that they be ●orier for their offence then for their punishment sometimes by the Princes prerogatiue and sometimes by the voice or else consent of the people their bondage either is m●ttigated or cleane released and forgiven He that mooveth to adultery is in no lesse danger and jeopardy then if he had committed adultery in deed For in all offences they

sword but Pollaxes which be mortall as well in sharpenesse as in weight both for foynes and downe stroakes Engines for war they devise and invent wondrous wittily Which when they be made they keepe very secret least if they should be knowne before neede require they should be but laughed at and serue to no purpose But in making them hereunto they haue chiefe respect that they be both easie to be carried a●d handsome to be moved and turned about Truce taken with their enemies for a short time they doe so firinely and faithfully keepe that they will not breake it no not though they be thereunto provoked They doe not waste nor destroy their enemies land with forragings nor they burne not vp their Corne. Yea they saue it as mnch as may be from being overrunne and trodden downe either with men or horses thinking that it groweth for their owne vse profit They hurt no man that is vnarmed vnles●e he be an Espyall All Cities that be yeelded unto them they defend And such as they winne by force of assault they neither dispoyle nor sacke but them that withstood and disswaded the yeelding vp of the same they put to death the other souldiers they punish with bondage All the weake multitude they leave untouched If they know that any Citizens counselled to yeeld and render vp the City to them they give part of the condemned mens goods The residue they distribute and give freely among them whose helpe they had in the same warre For none of themselves taketh any portion of the prey But when the battaile is finished and ended they put their friends to never a penny cost of all the charge that they were at but lay it vpon their neckes that be conquered Them they burthen with the whole charge of their expenses which they demand of them partly in money to be kept for like vse of battaile and partly in lands of great evenewes to be paid unto them yearely for ever Such revenewes they have now in many Countries Which by little and little rising of ●●vers and sundry causes be increased aboue seven hundred thousand ducates by the yeare Thither they send forth some of their Citizens as Lieft enants to live there sumptuously like men of honour and renowne And yet this notwithstanding much money is saved which commeth to the common treasury unlesse it so chan●e that they had rather trust the Country with the money Which many times they doe so long untill they have need to occupy it And it seldome happeneth that they demand all Of these lands they assigne part unto them which at their rebuest and exhortation put themselves in such jeopardies as I spake of before If any Prince stirre up warre against them intending to invade their land they mee● him incontinent out of their owne borderers with great power and strength For they never lightly make warre in their owne Country Nor they be never brought into so extreame necessity as to take helpe out of forraine lands into their owne Iland Of the Religions in Vtopia THere be divers kinds of Religion not onely in sundry parts of the Iland but also in divers places of every City Some worship for God the Sun some the Moone some other of the Planets There be that give worship to a man that was once of excellent● vertue or of famous glory not only as GOD but also as the chiefest and highest GOD. But the most and the wisest part rejecting all these beleeve that there is a certaine godly power unknowne everlasting incomprehensible inexplicable farre above the capacity reach of mans wit dispersed throughout all the whole world not in bignesse but in vertue and power Him they call the father of all To him alone they attribute the beginnings the increasings the proceedings the changes and the ends of all things Neither they give any divine honours to any other then to him Yea all the other also though they be in divers opinions yet in this point they agree all together with the wisest sort in beleeving that there is one principall GOD the maker and ruler of the whole world whom they all commonly in their Country language call Mythra But in this they disagree that among some he is counted one and among some another For every one of them whatsoever that is which he taketh for the chiefe God thinketh it to be the very same nature to whose only divine might and majesty the summe and soveraignty of all things by the consent of all people is attributed and given Howbeit they all begin by little and little to forsake and fall from this variety of superstitions and to agree together in that religion which seemeth by reason to passe and excell the residue And it is not to be doubted but all the other would long agoe have been abolished but that whatsoever unprosperous thing happened to any of them as he was minded to change his religion the fearefulnesse of people did take it not as a thing comming by chance but as sent from GOD out of Heaven As though the the God whose honour he was forsaking would haue revenged that wicked purpose against him But after they heard vs speake of the name of Christ of his doctrin lawes myracles and of the no lesse wonderfull constancy of so many martyrs whose blood willingly shead brought a great number of nations throughout all parts of the world into their sect you will not beleeue with how glad minds they agreed vnto the same whether it were by the secret inspiration of God or else for that they thought it nighest vnto that opinion which among them is counted the chiefest Howbeit I thinke this was no small helpe and furtherance in the matter that they heard vs say that Christ instituted among his all things common and that the same cōmunity doth yet remaine amongst y● rightest Christian cōpanies Verily howsoever it came to passe many of them consented together in our religion and were washed in the holy water of Baptisine But because among vs foure for no moe of vs was left aliue two of our company being dead there was no Priest which I am right sory for they being entred and instructed in all other points of our religion lacke onely those sacraments which none but Priests doe minister Howbeit they vnderstand percciue them and be very desirous of the same Yea they reason and dispute the matter earnestly among themselves whither without the sending of a Christian Bishop one chosen out of their owne people may receiue the order of Priesthood And truely they were minded to choose one But at my departure thence they had chosen none They also which doe not agree to Christs religion ferre no man from it nor speake against any man that hath received it Saving that one of our company in my presence was sharpely punished He as soone as he was baptised began against our wils with more earnest affection then wisedome to reason of Christs