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A87429	The iudgement of an old grand-jury-man of Oxford-shire, concerning the breaking up of the late treaty begun at Uxbridge 30. Ian. 1644. Delivered upon his perusall of the late printed full narration of the passages concerning it.	Old grand-jury-man of Oxford-shire.	1645 (1645)	Wing J1175; Thomason E285_8; Thomason E303_11; ESTC R200068	13,146	19

desired it to be granted them or it was not If it was not in his power then they are absur'd to aske that which they know was not in the Kings Power to Give If it were then they are absur'd Pag. 136. no. 178. of the Full Narration not to admit the Marquesse of Ormond for a Lievtenant whom all the World knowes the King had Nominated before ever They desired this power of Nomination as in expresse termes they say they doe not in their Paper of the 22th February Now if such a simple man as I can see these Demands of the Parliament to be unreasonable sencelesse and ridiculous Surely those men that were Commissioners for the King and had more wit and understanding then I could see further into them No doubt but they saw that the concession and granting of them must needs inferre a totall Alteration and Change both in our Spirituall and in our Civill Government both in our Church and in our State and God deliver me and every honest man from living to behold that day Wee have by wofull Experience found what the want of Episcopall Government hath wrought in the Church already for no man knowes almost of what Religion his Neighbour is today or of what he himselfe shall be to morrow by our sad sufferings we have learnt what it is to see dayes when there is no King in Israel or as good as none when His Subjects seek to divest and spoile Him of His Rights and Power Before we could complaine if we thought the King broke any Law but now we doe not know our selves what is Law till we have broke it It is not as it was once in Saint Paul I had not knowne sinne but by the Law but it is now I had not knowne Law but by the sinne for every thing that a good man does in Conscience to God or Obedience to his King is therefore made a crime because he does it though it never had any such name before I but you will say if the Cause of the Parliament be such a bad Cause that they are absolute and direct Rebels against the King how come so many men to be of that side Truely I confesse the Cause is a good Cause to live in for if a man take that side he is likely to save his owne stake and he is like enough to get a good share in many other mens But give me a Cause to live in and to dye in too A Cause which if it yeeld me no profit whilst I live shall notwithstanding yeeld me pleasure when I dye and the comfort of this Consideration that I have not stayned my Conscience for any base and beggarly respects of this World but have kept it cleane both towards the Lord and towards his Annoynted as no doubt but every man is bound to doe And certainly there is more in it then every simple Country-fellow like my selfe imagines That on the Parliament side so many men of note and quality when They have their sences about them before they dye doe familiarly renounce this wicked and ungodly course and professe they undertooke it for meere gaine or some baser end as from Colonell Sandys who dyed at Worcester in the beginning of this Warre to Major Abercromie who dyed by us but a little while agoe many poore Soules afflicted which the sence of their Rebellion have done When on the Kings side there was never yet heard one man of any condition whatsoever though reduced to the greatest exigence and want that man could be that ever repented him of taking up Armes and spending his life in His Majesties Cause and Service I know it weighes much with many of my Neighbours That the Rebels use Country people kindly where they come and use to pay for what they have when the Kings Souldiers doe not And so they are ready to Judge of the goodnesse of the Cause by the purses of their Customers and truly this wrought a pretty good opinion of them once even in me my selfe but when I had considered a little better how these men come by that Money even by robbing and plundering the King and His good Subjects for otherwise they could never have a penny I beganne to think that as they were direct Theeves so we that took their Monies were but little better then Receivers and the curse of those poor People who are despoyled of their Estates to furnish them with monies must doubtlesse light upon us Besides alas what is the poore Horse the better when he hath been ridden into a sweat from head to foot and is searce able to stand for a little stroking and clapping on the shoulder What are the poore people of the Country the better for receiving some few pence from them when they must pay it out againe by whole pounds unto Them They doe but steale a Goose and stick up a Feather as we use to say For at last between faire meanes and foule they leave us nothing But all this while what is become of the Liberty of the Subject which made such a noyse at the beginning of these Warres In all the Twenty dayes Treaty not a word of that on their Side And when the Kings Commissioners desired to have the Kings Propositions Treated on which insisted much upon this poynt They could never have an Answer All this while what is become of the Lawes of the Land which every man thought at first these men did onely fight for In all the Twenty dayes Treaty not one word of the breach of any one Law of the Land with which they taxe the King but they rather invite Him to breake many if He would be perswaded unto it For there was scarce any one thing in all the Treaty which they desired of the King which was not directly against the known Lawes of the Land which they have all this time pretended to defend Nay when the King to shew how zealous He was of the preservation of the Lawes desired in His Propositions That nothing might be avowed but that every Act might be disclaimed on both Sides which was not according to the knowne Law They would never Treat of that Proposition or give any Answer to it All this while what is become of Fetching the King up unto His Parliament which was given out as the sole reason for the raising of so many severall Armies as have been raised In all the Twenty dayes Treaty not a syllable of that on their part Nay when the Kings Commissioners had proposed it unto them and desired to Treat with them concerning His Majesties speedy Returne to Westminster whereby an End might be put to these unhappy Distractions and Divisions They utterly refus'd to Treat with them therein and chose rather to break up the Treaty when they might have prolonged it if they had pleased for so they were earnestly desired to doe by our Commissioners then to allow That for the Subject matter of it And therefore resting well assured by these proceedings of theirs in the late Treaty that they of Westminster aime at nothing but their own Greatnesse and intend to rule perpetually both over the King and Kingdome purposing to change that auncient Government of Kings in the State as they have chang'd that other of Bishops in the Church I desire all my Countrymen to lay it to their hearts whether they had not better venture their lives once then be sure to loose both their Livelyhoods and Liberties for ever Whither they had not better help to make an end of the Warre then live and linger out their lives and Fortunes in the vaine expectation of a never intended Peace Whither they had not rather their Soveraigne should raigne then that their Servants should rule over them which is one of the pittifull complaints of Zion in her prayer to God in the fift of the Lamentations For this they may trust to that by the blessing of God who never exposes the person or the Cause of Kings to danger or miscarriage but for the Peoples sinne They may recover in a very short time both their Liberties Lawes and Lively-hoods and yet save their Lives And if the Countries here abouts would but rise and take up Armes as they should doe not only for the Kings sake but for their own if they did well consider it lesse then Three Months with Gods help would put an end to the Miseries of more then Three yeares that are past and prevent the Miseries of many yeares which are yet to come if some such course as this be not timely taken for out of doubt so long as God shall send either the King or any of His Children Life there will never be wanting those true-hearted Englishmen that will spend their bloud in preserving of their just Interests and Rights Which I doe as firmely believe they will recover either first or last as I doe any one thing in this World which is not Scripture FINIS

that the King did so please the English in making the late Pacification in Scotland and does now so displease them in making the late Cessation in Ireland Is it because the Irish were Rebels surely so were They. Is it because the Scots only fought for their Liberties and their Religion surely so did They. But you will say their Religion is a false Religion So will they say of yours and so long as it is true in their Opinion and to their Conscience it is altogether as lawfull for them to fight for that Religion which they believe to be True though it be false as it is for our Rebells to fight for that Religion which is both believed to be and is also True But the plain truth is whither or no there was that necessity for the Pacification I will not meddle but sure enough of this Cessation there was the greatest necessity that ever could be for the Lords and Iustices of Ireland wrote most lamentable Letters to the King See the Letters of the Lords Justices pag. 194. no. 10. in the Appendix complaining that they wanted bread That they had not provision for one Month and not a Hundred barrells of Powder in all their store which would not last them above a Moneth and that the Parliament knowing of all these necessities never sent them in whole six Moneths but fourteen tunne of Cheese and three score and fifteen barrells of butter which would not serve that part of the Army which lay about Dublin for above seaven or eight daies and they humbly beseech the King to think of some expedient course as soon as may be to preserve His whole Kingdom from imminent and apparent ruine Now what could the King doe for them in such a case Send victualls or Monies or Ammunition He could not for He neither had them nor the use of His own Shipps to conveigh them if He had Send to the Parliament He might and to as much purpose as before those of Ireland did for they that could have the conscience to spend a Hundred thousand pounds of the mony which was collected for Ireland which was none of their owne Pag. 135. no. 177. of the Full Narration upon the maintaining of this their Rebellion here in England as they dare not deny themselves to have done it is somewhat unlikely they would part with any thing that was their own when nothing but charity could compell them thereunto Well but they say that by undeniable proofs it is most cleare Pag. 133. no. 177. in their Paper of the 22. of Feb. that these necessities alleadged for the grounds of the Cessation were made by the designe of the Popish and Prelaticall party in England and Ireland But me thinks if the proofes be so undeniable they should be demonstrable I could never meet with any thing that did look like a proof thereof in all those papers I confesse this had been somewhat if it had been true But the Rebels doe not offer so good proofe of that which they alleadge as that proof is which is offered for the contrary which notwithstanding they will not accept for to prove the want of necessary provision for reliefe of that miserable Kingdom there are diverse Letters produced by the Kings Commissioners from the Lords Iustices and the Councell of Ireland the Truth whereof they seem not willing to believe unlesse they may see the names of those men who did subscribe them and yet they will not promise indempnity to their persons if they should see them or that it should be no prejudice unto them if they should fall into their hands for upon those tearmes they might have seen them when they would But to prove that these necessities were contrived by the Popish and Prelaticall party both in England and in Ireland they produce not so much as any Letter either under many mens hands or one not bring the least evidence thereof other then their own Iealousies unworthy surmises and the consideration of circumstances Now I would have the World Iudge whether there be not more apparent proofe from Letters under mens hands that live upon the place and were lamentable witnesses and sufferers in the necessities of that Kingdome that there was no reliefe at all sent them from the Parliament Then there is from their simple affirmations that those releifes were disposed of by the Popish and Prelaticall party for the succour and assistance of the Rebells in their greatest wants And yet these Rebels of England will have us beleive any thing which they affirme upon their own words although they are Parties in the Cause and will not beleive us upon the Letters and subscriptions of the Lords and Councell of Ireland who certainly were the best Iudges therein Besides in all probabilities if the Popish and Prelaticall party had had such a hand in doing the Rebels service certainly they would have found some better comfort then they did in receiving of their Wages The Rebels could not chuse but be favourable to their Persons and their Estates and give them liberty to enjoy them in some measure But it is too apparent that although the cruelties of this Rebellion have fallen upon all the Kings good Subjects there in Ireland yet they have fallen thicker upon no condition of men then upon the Prelats some whereof have received sixteen or seaventeen wounds from the Rebels and bin left for dead others have bin rob'd and plundered to their very shirts and all or the most Part of them have bin driven out of That Kingdom into This for the very safegard of their Lives where they remaine in great distresse and necessities not having scarsly how to get them Bread And yet these men must have this Cessation made voyd and the farther prosecution of the Warre committed to their hands Truly I dare say if there were a Peace here the King would so farre accept of their Assistance in the rooting out of that Rebellion as is fit either for him to take or them to give I dare say they could propose no likely way of reducing those Rebels but the King would be willing strait to practice it But whilst they are in actuall Rebellion here against him whilst they manage one Warre here against him For him to entrust them with the managing of another Warre there for him Were such a piece of weaknesse as no man certainly can be perswaded to but he that will be perswaded to give a man two to one that is scarce able to play with him on even hands And as concerning their Nomination of the Lievtenant in Ireland and the Iudges of both Benches it seemes to me the greatest piece of Arrogance that was ever yet heard off Have they not enough that they are Kings themselves but they must make Kings too but I could be contented if men were arrogant onely if they were not absurd also For I demand The Nomination of the Lievtenant either it was in the Kings Power before they