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The speech of the Lord Chancellor of England, in the Eschequer Chamber, touching the post-nati
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Egerton, Thomas, Sir, 1540?-1617.
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England so much as to suffer an imputation to bee cast vpon them That they or the Common lawe doe not attribute as great power and authoritie to their Soueraignes the kinges of England as the Romane lawes did to their Emperours For Bracton the chiefe Iustice in the time of king Henry the third hath these direct wordes De Chartis Regijs factis regum non debent nec possunt Iusticiarij nec priuatae personae disputare Nec etiam si in illa dubitatio oriatur possunt eam interpretari Et in dubijs obscuris vel si aliqua dictio duos contineat intellectus domini Regis erit expectanda interpretatio voluntas Cum eius sit interpretari cuius est condere And Britton in the time of king Ed. 1. writeth as much in effect So as now if this question seem difficult that neither direct law nor Examples Precedents nor application of like cases nor discourse of reason nor the graue opinion of the learned and reuerend Iudges can resolue it here is a true and certen Rule how both by the Ciuile Lawe and the ancient Common lawe of England it may and ought to be decided That is by sentence of the most religious learned and iudicious king that euer this kingdome or Iland had But this Case is so cleare as this needeth not at all And in this I would not be mis-vnderstoode as though I spake of making of new Lawes or of altering the Lawes now standing I meane not so but I speake only of interpretation of the Lawe in new questions and doubts as now in this present case neither doe I meane hereby to derogate any thing from the high court of Parliament farre be it from my thought It is the great Councell of the kingdome wherein euery subiect hath interest And to speake of the constitution or forme of it or how or when it was first begunne is for busie Questionists It ought to bee obeyed and reuerenced but not disputed and it is at this time impertinent to this Question But certen it is it hath beene the wisedome of the Kinges of this Realme to reserue in themselues that supreame power to call their Nobles Clergie commons together when they sawe great and vrgent Causes and by that great Councell to make Edicts and Statutes for the weale of their people and safetie of the Kingdome and State as in Anno 10. Edw. 3. the Assembly at Nottingham for the great wars in France And in Anno 20. H. 3. Prouisiones Merton which I remembred before There haue beene made some Obiections of inconueniencie as for bearing of Scot and Lot and such other charges and some out of frugalitie that the king shall lose his profit of making Denizens and such like These are so light as I leaue them to the winde They are neither fit for Parliament nor Councell nor Court Another argument and reason against the Post-nati hath beene lately made out of diffidence and mistrust that they will come into England sans number and so as it were to surcharge our Common and that this may be in secula seculorum I know not well what this meanes The Nation is ancient noble and famous they haue many honourable and woorthie Noble men and Gentlemen and many wise and worthie men of all degrees and qualities they haue lands and faire possessions in Scotland Is it therefore to bee supposed or can it in reason bee imagined that such multitude sans number will leaue their natiue soile and all transport themselues hither Hath the Irish done so Or those of Wales or of the Isles of Man Gernesey and Iersey Whie should we then suspect it now more for Scotland Nay doe you suppose that the Kinge of England will euer suffer so great a parte of his Dominions and so great and famous a Kingdome as Scotland is to be dispeopled It is a doubt imagined without any foundation or ground of reason But if it were to bee doubted the twelue Iudges that haue concurred in opinion and that late worthy Iudge Popham had as great cause to feare it as any others They are wise they are learned they haue faire possessions and good estates They haue posteritie to care for as others haue Yet admit it bee a matter worth the doubting of what is that to the yoong Post-nati that are not like in many yeares to come hither in such number Shall we vpon this causlesse feare depriue them of their lawfull Birth-right Haue wee seene in these fiue yeeres past anie moe of them than this one alone that haue gotten any Lands in England And this little that he hath is so small and poore a portion that his purchase is not great and therefore no iust cause of offence to any Nay if you looke vpon the Ante-nati you shall find no such confluence hither but some few and very few in respect of that great and populous kingdome that haue done long and worthie seruice to his Maiestie haue and still doe attend him which I trust no man mislikes For there can bee none so simple or childish if they haue but common sense as to thinke that his Maiesty should haue come hither alone amongst vs and haue left behinde him in Scotland and as it were caste off all his ould and worthie Seruants And if these Noble and worthie Gentlemen of Scotland I meane the Ante-nati be louingly and brotherly entertained amongst vs with mutuall loue beneuolence that so we may coalescere be vnited together by marriage and otherwise as in some particular cases wee see it already happily begunne no doubt God will blesse this Vnion of both these Nations and make them and the King and great Britaine to be famous through the world and feared redoubted of our enemies and of all that wish vs ill For Vis vnita fortior concordia multos facit vnum But what may follow vpon such arguments of diffidence and suspition which seeme but to hinder Vnion and to breede discord and dissention I will not speake Let euery wise man consider it well For Humana consilia castigantur vbi coelestibus se praeferunt And remember Saint Paules caution Si inuicem mordetis videte ne ab inuicem consumamini And for the resemblance that hath bin made of this Case of Post-nati but indeed for the Vnion of both Kingdomes with the houswifes cutting of her cloth by a threede I will say but this That if shee cut her peece of cloth in length aswell as in breadth all the threeds will bee cutte and the cloth marred And this cutting in this our Case is to cutte all aswell in length as in breadth euen through all the Kinges Dominions and so will rent asunder the whole frame of the Vnion and cut in peeces all the threeds of Allegeance But now I wil aske this question How long shall this suspition and doubt continue Shall there bee a dis-vnion for euer If it bee saied No but
THE SPEECH OF THE LORD CHANCELLOR OF England in the Eschequer Chamber touching the Post-nati LONDON Printed for the Societie of Stationers An. 1609. The Printer to the curteous Reader THrough great haste the common Spoiler of most serious Labours Hillary Terme being halfe spent ere this Booke could come forth the word Non in the 45. page and 15. line of all the Bookes of the first Impression was left out which altered the Sentence to a cleane contrary Sence Therefore in those first imprinted Bookes for Quod lego non credo reade quod non lego non credo according to the correction of that place in these Bookes of the second Impression ⧠To the louing Readers BEfore I presumed to speake in the Eschequer Chamber in R. C. Case which is now commonly called the Case of Post-nati I considered mine age and infirmities and how long I had discontinued from such Legall Exercises I might hereupon haue iustly challenged the priuiledge of silence But greater and weightier Reasons ouer-ruled mee and enforced mee to waiue the benefit of that priuiledge For looking into the nature of the Question then in hand and examining the Circumstaunces I found the Case to bee rare and the Matter of great import and consequence as being a speciall and principall part of the blessed and happy Vnion of great Britaine I heard many learned and iudicious Arguments made by the reuerend Iudges and finding that they did not all concurre in Opinion though the number was indeede so few of them that differed that in Greeke it woulde not make a plurall number and that some things were by them omitted which seemed to mee to be both pertinent to the Matter and necessary to bee knowne and more proper and fit to bee spoken by me respecting the place I hould than by them that did wholy binde themselues to the forme and rule of legall Argument and Discourse I thought that I coulde not in duetie sit as a dumbe and idle Hearer onelie The Cause being iudicially depending in the high Court of Chancerie where I was to iudge of it according to Lawe following the rule of mine owne Conscience and the measure of mine owne vnderstanding and not to bee swayed vvith the vveight of other mens opinions I considered also that althogh Silentij tutum proemium is often true in humane policie yet sometime there is Crimen Reticentiae and therefore the Prophet said Vae mihi quia tacui And Chrysostome obserueth that Tribus modis in veritatem peccatur 1. Veritatem prae timore tacendo 2. Veritatem in mendatium Commutando 3. Veritatem non defendendo Remembring this my Conscience tould me that howsoeâ—â—â— Silence might in this Case â—â—â—e excused mee of the second but I could not haue escaped by â—â—â—ence from offending in the first last And if Festus thoght it not reason to send a prisoner without shewing the Causes which were layed against him I might haue beene worthily â—ustly censured if vpon other mens arguments and as it vvere â—…implicita I should haue pronounced my iudgement and sentence in so great a Cause without declaring the grounds â—â—d reasons vvhereupon I stood â—â—us Duetie and Necessitie â—â—r ratio sapienti necessitas were the causes that induced mee to speake in this rare and weightie cause and the force of truth moued mee to speake that which I did speake without respect of pleasing or displeasing any And so hauing the warrant of a sincere conscience which is truly said to be veluti Comes Testis Iâ—dex actionum I haue in the Chancerie iudged and decreed the Case for R. C. And the like Iudgement is also giuen by the Iudges of the Kings Bench in the Assise depending in that Court The decree and iudgement being thus passed diuerse vnperfect Reports and seuerall patches and pieces of my Speech haue bin put in writing dispersed into many hands and some offred to the Presse The Kings M ie hauing knowledge thereof misliked it thereupon coÌ„manded me to deliuer to him in writing the whole discourse of that which I said in that Cause Thus I was put to an vnexpected new labour to reuiew my scribled brokeÌ„ papers Out of which according to the charge imposed vpon me I gathered all which I had before spoken so set it downe faithfully plainly and as neare as I could in the same words I vttered it it pleased his sacred M ie to take some view of it taking occasion thereby to remember the diligence of the L. chiefe Iustice of the common place for the summary report he had published of the Iudges Arguments he gaue mee in charge to cause this to be likevvise put in Print to preuent the Printing of such mistaken and vnperfect reports of it as vvere alreadie scattered abroad Whatsoeuer it is it vvas first conceiued spokeÌ„ out of conscience duty and is now published in humble obedience to my most gracious Soueraigne And so I offer and commend it to your good acceptance and fauourable interpretation T. Ellesmere Canc. ⧠Post-nati MY Lords mine age mine infirmitie and indisposition of health my decaie and weakenesse of memorie and Desuetudo and long discontinuance from this maner of Legall exercise aboue foureteene yeeres haue bereaued mee of the meanes and helpes that should inhable me to speake in so great a Case I feare therefore that it will be deemed presumption if not worse that I aduenture to speake heerein at all specially after so many learned and iudicious Arguments of so many graue learned and reuerend Iudges To say the same that hath beene saied must needes be vnpleasaunt wearisome and loathsome to the hearers and not to say the same is to speake little to the purpose for what more can bee saied than hath beene Yet for that the Case is depending in Chancerie and adiourned hither for difficultie in Law there I must giue iudgement according to the Law Whether the Complainant bee inhabled by Lawe to maintaine his suit in that Court or not I holde it more fitting to deliuer the reasons of my iudgement heere where others haue beene heard than there before a few which haue not heard that which hath beene so learnedly argued and largely debated heere And therefore the Case standing thus I will speake what I thinke And I must say as one of the graue Iudges saied I can tell no newes But some old things which I haue read and obserued I will remember but I can not diuine or prophesie de futuris I leaue that as Iustice Yeluerton did I am free and at libertie Nullius addictus iurare in verba Magistri and therefore I will speake ingenuously and freely In the arguing of this Case some things which are of great weight with mee haue in mine opinion beene passed ouer too lightly and some other thinges which seeme to me but light haue beene ouerweighed as I thinke Halfe an howers time longer or shorter I meane not to striue for and