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B21181 The Jesuites policy to suppress monarchy proving out of their own writings that the Protestant religion is a sure foundation and principle of a true Christian / written by a person of honor. Derby, Charles Stanley, Earl of, 1628-1672. 1678 (1678) Wing D1088 39,304 36

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is the best so it is the safest Religion that is I beseech you Sir do not mistake me I do not I assure you speak this as being of their perswasion but to be better enabled by you to oppose our Adversaries when they shall object to us this fallacious argument Ortho. Sir you shall not want what I can contribute to your satisfaction and truly I think this may be easily answered and I shall begin with a reply I have heard of a very learned man upon this Subject in a Disputation between him and a Papist who being at his last shift and forced to make use of your abovesaid Argument answered thus Sir says he do not condemn us for an excess of Charity towards you and consider how want of Charity in you towards us may be laid to your charge another day And withall take notice of this that in the same manner those infamous Schismaticks the Donatists argued against St. Austin and the Catholick Church taking hold of their Confession that Salvation might be had in their Churches which was not said these Schismaticks to be had in a Catholick Church thus did these wicked Schismaticks conclude with the Papists their Religion to be the surest and safest and so consequently the best also Doth not the King of Assyria by his Servants rant and argue against good King Hezekiah much at this rate in the 2 of the Kings and the 18 Chap. Have any of the gods of the Nations at all delivered his Land out of the Hand of the King of Assyria Where are the gods of Hamath and of Arphad Where are the gods of Sepharvaim Henah and Ivah Have they delivered Samaria out of my Hand Who are they Amongst all the gods of the Countries that have delivered their Country out of my Hand that the Lord should deliver Jerusalem out of my Hand Caco One word more Sir and I promise you I have done Does not the Author of whom you quote the Story of the Speaking Idol c. express an aversion against and relate some things to the prejudice of Arch-Bishop Laud towards the Conclusion of his Book Ortho. I confess he does and he is blame-worthy for it but withal to be pityed if you consider his case aright and thus it is in his Infancy with his Milk he sucks in the Roman Religion has his Education in Popish Countries becomes a Priest goes over an Emissary into the Indies for the advancing and propagating the Romish Religion However being a Man of Parts and Learning through all the Mists and Clouds of Error he discerneth the unreasonableness first and then the dangerous Tenets of the Church of Rome but all this while it is scarce much more than Break of day with him he is but a Negative Christian but a Neophyte the Roman Religion he perceives is bad but as yet knows little of the Protestant Religion Thus endowed he comes over into England very little before our Civil Wars began still troubled in mind he goes over into Italy to Rome where he thought if any place could afford him satisfaction in the Romish Perswasion there it must be in that place he converses with Eminent Divines who tell him strange Stories of the Arch-Bishop of Canterbury his great inclination to return to the Roman Church This Neophyte this doubting wavering Christian is told these falshoods by these Roman Divines to encourage him to go over an Emissary into England and there labour vigorously in the Roman Vineyard the poor Man believes that which these men knew to be false but this must be rumor'd to gain English Proselytes you know how much the Church of Rome allows of officious and beneficial Lyes confirm those they have and add Reputation to their Cause amongst the English Papists and observe Sir do not the Papists the same thing now Do they not observe the same Method still to the great dis-heartening His Majesties Protestant Subjects so that the King and Parliament have been forced to take notice of their Insolencies Well Sir with this prejudice to the Protestant Church of England and the Arch-Bishop This Neophyte this doubting Christian comes over into England where every innocent Ceremony and the Liturgy of the Church of England confirm in him the Belief of the Italian Falshoods concerning the Arch-Bishop c. and by reason of that his perswasion he proves as great an Enemy to the Church of England as of Rome and thus out of the Frying Pan or out of one Fire he leaps into another and so turns a new kind of Fanatick and it often falls out that out of one extream Men are apt to run into another and therefore it often falls out that when a Protestant turns Papist he for the most part does throw himself into the Arms and Bosom of a Jesuite and then sucks in all their wicked and abominable practices as principles against the Sovereignty of Kings Humane Society and Moral Virtues and the Dictates of Nature a stout Champion of the Pope and Court of Rome rather than the Church of Rome against all Temporal and Civil Interests whatsoever you may be sure such a Convert he proves and truly this is so natural to Man in avoiding one Rock of danger and offence to fall foul upon another that if Men be not very wary and discreet they can hardly avoid it thus when a Papist turns Protestant he is apt to turn from being that to throw himself headlong into all sorts of Enthusiastick phrensies in opposition to Popery this was the case of this Author for he was so fearful of the Rock of Popery that he fell foul upon the Rock of Enthusiasm and there made Ship-wrack of his Faith and therefore waving that passage concerning the Arch-Bishop and Monarchy let us believe the rest concerning the Idol c. for he delivers them upon his own knowledge being an Eye-witness and not reports from others and now thus I have Sir I hope answered your Scruple concerning this Author Caco I do confess you have very fully and now I will give you no further trouble at this time yet if it be not too troublesome to you be pleased to let a small piece of some two sheets of Paper conclude our Discourse Ortho. Name it Sir and you shall be obeyed Caco It is that which you shewed me lately the Title of it is this An Answer to a Pamphlet Entituled The humble Apology of the English Catholicks written by a Royalist before Christmas Ortho. I 'am ready to obey you and thus I begin and first with the Title though I but repeat your foregoing words An Answer to a Pamphlet Entituled The humble Apology of the English Catholicks Written by a Royalist before Christmas 1666. Thuanus Miseros Principes quibus de conjuratione non creditur nisi occisis IF the Author of the Apology could make good the beginning of his Discourse I could very heartily turn Apologist for him and his Friends He says aright and the Devil spake true when he
cry'd aloud that Jesus was the Son of God that the Arms which Christians may use against Lawful powers in their Severities are only Prayers and Tears Thus far he speaks like a Protestant that is to say a Primitive Christian and it might have stood as a fair Character of his pretended Innocency had he not foully bespattered it in the Sequel with the Dirt he casts upon the face of Authority But first It would be considered what it is the Apologist would be at upon his frequent Compellation of his Lords and Gentlemen is it to draw them to a firm Combination with those of his Roman party against all such as should question the innocency of his Carriage and Intentions Nothing less it seems can satisfie or secure him unless my Lords and Gentlemen that is the old constant Royalists stand up for his Advocate he must fall under the heavy censure of his greatest Adversaries who to complete the mischief and misery of it are not only become his Accusers but his Insulting Judges as he complains And now it is high time for my Lords and Gentlemen to remember their often Vows to that party and Renounce all further Conjunction with them that have been the cause of so great Calamity to the Nation as he there tells them But is not this Davide Impera and though they did not nip the Plant in the Bud yet now being grown up and not likely to answer them in the expected Fruits they will endeavor so to dismember the parts as may manifestly endanger the whole For what else mean those words Let it never be Recorded in Story that you forgot your often Vows to us injoyning to them those insulting Judges as he terms them before that have been the cause of so great Calamity to this Nation Is not a Dis-union here manifestly endeavored and that in direct contradiction to what was before protested far be it from Catholicks to perplex Parliaments To reconcile this difference in the expressions will well become the Apologist before he answer the following Objections which he makes his next task And here first he presents his Catholick Party astonished even to admiration at that Calumny above the rest that their Principles are said to be inconsistent with Government and they themselves thought ever prone to Rebellion as if because they account themselves the only Orthodox Christians they must necessarily be very loyal Subjects at the least Indeed If they could make good the former we had reason to expect some compliance as to the latter Religio à religando seeing Religion hath its name from the Connexion and strick conjunction it works in its Professors as with each other so in all with that government and Governors under which they have their common protection .. But how Orthodox and united Roman Catholicks are in the grounds of their Belief the main Ingredient in the Essence of Religion hath sufficiently appeared in the Writings of many who have unanswerably evinced the nullity of the Romanists Faith whether ultimately resolved into their virtual Church the Pope with his Conclave as the Jesuites will have it or into the representative Church a General Council as others will have it or into both the former conjoyned as others contend or erranti nullus terminus into the new mode of Oval Tradition as it is lately and clamorously urged by others who abominate the former Yet though our Catholicks do thus stagger in the Grounds of their Faith are they not more firm in their Fealties and Loyalties Surely their Principles are every way consisting with the Government under which they live Nothing less and it will plainly appear if we consider the Doctrine of their Church and their frequent practice to the former much need not be said that the Pope the acknowledged Head of their Church hath a plenary power to Excommunicate all Christian Kings that will not close with Papal Perswasion and when they are Excommunicated that they cease to be Kings that their Subjects are absolved from all Fealty and Allegiance to them yea may take up Arms against them and so murder them All this is so notoriously known that as no real Roman Catholick will deny so it were needless to urge further proof of it He that hath leisure may find enough of this Becanus Bellarmine Rossius Molina Campion Stapleton c. in Alvarez Mariana and others that speak expresly enough at this rate and hath it not been sufficiently verified in the Roman Catholicks practice 't is well known who encouraged one Parry to Murther Queen Elizabeth what Pope it was that issued out his dreadful Excommunication animating the Subjects of England against her and if you will allow of Cardinal Perron's positive Sentence he will tell you that that Doctrine which renders Kings indeposable opens a gap to no less than Schism and Heresie and hereby as if it were not only Lawful but necessary to suppress whatever they be that will not Conform to the Popish Hierarchy He that should see a Sovereign Prince holding the Bason whilst the Pope washeth his Hands and another no less Sovereign holding his Stirrup though unfortunately mistaken in the side whilst he mounts up on Horse-back yea he that should see that Bishop of Rome treading on a great Princes neck and abusing that of the Psalmist for justification of his usurped power Super Leonem aspidem c. cannot but conclude that Dominus Deus noster Papa as the Canonists stile him will be Supream Prince of the Christian World and that all other Potentates must limit their Authority and Jurisdiction according to the measure of his Placet And now the Premises considered that upon the Popes excommunication Kings cease to be such and stand lawfully exposed to all insolencies of their Subjects as hath already appear'd I cannot but very much wonder that the Romanists should be so angry with Cromwel Bradshaw and the rest of that hellish Crue for Murthering our late Sovereign of Blessed Memory were they not taught by those Romish Fathers above cited to Murther Charles Stuart and yet not kill the King I dare boldly say that our late Republicarians have not one Tenet that is destructive to Civil Government and the Sovereignty of Kings that was not first broached by the Romanists to whom we owe our late Confusions which hath answered the Predictions of Gondamore the Spanish Embassador who when he returned to Spain gave out that he had kindled a Fire in England which would burst out Forty Years afterwards Not to insist upon those several disguises presented by the Romanists in the late Troubles under the habit of all sorts of Mechanick Artists Soldiers and others so to Preach up and foment the Rebellion with our home-bred Sectarians this may suffice to demonstrate how ill-consistent their Principles are with our English Government and consequently how weakly they acquit themselves of that Calumny they complain of even to Admiration but the Apologist hath his other pretences and