his Ma tie himselfe was the most competent judge whither they were reasnable honest and appliquable to the condition he then was to have been made use of or rejected according to his owne prudence and pleasure I shall here conclude this where upon I have the longer insisted as being the fowndation of my utter ruine the source of my great sufferings during six or seaven years and those calamities and necessities whereinto I was plonged at that tyme the causes of my offending his Ma tie to that degree he ever remained It is beyond the limits I propownd to my selfe to enlarge to a particular relation of the artickles presented to the King of the debates and disputes there upon during the treaty which has been allready the worke of other pens more proper for it then mine I shall only say that had his Ma tie and the Parliaments Commissioners come to the same conclusion they at last did fut twenty days sooner which they might have done for to the best of my remembrance there were twice fourteen dayes added to the first forty which was spun out to the last three or four the King in my opinion had not come to a violent death the Nation and the protestante Religeon had been free from the infamy there of and secured against the cruel confusions which Imediately followed the effusion of that blood all thowgh his Ma tie and the Parliament were fully agreed and his concessions voted entirely satisfactory and a sufficient fowndation for a happy peace and firme establishment in all his Dominions yet by the violence of the army which over whelmed all very much the greatest part of the Parliament were secluded and allways kept out till Imediately before the Present Kings restauration divers of the members emprisoned and others constrayned to save themselves beyond sea In this deplorable condition of things his Ma tie a little before he was remouved from Niewport by the army to Hurst Castel apparently calling to minde what I had severall tymes represented to him was gratiously pleased to send me by Mr. William Moray the ensuing letter THe danger to which you expose your self cannot be contreballanced by any service there now remains for you to doe me the severity of the Presbitereans haveing ruined me and themselves You will doe well to save your selfe and to returne to your Master and I commande you not to Councell him to any thing touching publique matters without the knowledg and approbation of the Queen his Mother and of the Prince his Eldest brother haveing no more to say to you then to commit you to the protection of the Allmighty God I remain Your assured frend CHARLES R. Imediately after his Ma ties death I was suspended from the Honour of wayting where I had done and my coming to the court prohibited which caused me to continue secretly and desguised in England in several places not knowing well in the disgrace I then was plonged how to subsist els where besides that I hoped there to finde some favourable occasion of serving the King where by to remouve his displeasure thowgh it prouved not soe easy a matter as some to Consolate me flattered me with the beliefe of I remayned in that condition about a year some tymes in one place and some tymes in another till at length I was betrayd by one whoe had served me long whome I had bred up from a boy and much obliged I was taken and Imprisoned and had certainly lost my head unless by the extraordnary Providence of God I had fownd the means of saveing my selfe throwgh a window of the Prison which all circonstances considered was little less then Miraculous the sea ports were soe layd for me that I was constrained to remaine secretly in the citty of London in faithfull frends houses during the space of three weeks when at last I was convey'd over into Holland by S r. Roger de Lyvedy Capitaine of a Man of war belonging to Rotterdam whose brother was since vice Admirall of the Meuse twoe or three years after his ship was seized upon at Hull he put in Prison where I have heard he dyed I had no sooner set foote on land but I was forced into another misfortune which was unavoydable that constrained me for some tyme to take my refuge at vienna neer utrect which added to his Ma ties indignation but it pleased God that the occasion in few weekes was taken away where upon I repayred to Breda where the King was in treaty with the Scots Commissioners his Ma tie would not permit me to appear in his Presence nor at his court he agreed with them went into Scotland it was not alowed me to wayte on him thither thowgh I made use of the intercession of some great persons in no less credit with him to obtayne that Grace Shortly after I followed in company with the with the Earle of Disert where being arrived Duke William Hamilton whoe was killed at woster the late Duke of Lauderdalle with most of the Nobility of Scotland whoe were then about his person employ'd theire mediation as ernestly as duty and descretion would admit to bring me into grace but Could not obtayne any thing which constrained me to returne againe into Holland In this State I continued about five years endeavouring to doe all the services I Could frequently agitated betwixt hope and despaire till at length I had the happiness to performe such a service as that some very great persons both in quality and credit Improuved it all they Could to restore me to his Ma ties favour whoe prevayled soe far as that he was pleased to admit me into his Presence and to kiss his hand as allsoe to receive the account I had to give him of some matters which regarded his service and to deliver his opinion freely enough concerning persons and things relative there unto Which gave occasion for me and such as wished a period to my misfortunes to hope that by degrees I might have recouvered his Ma tie favour which I belive I had not come short of unless unfortunately I had offended a person of quality and at that tyme in the greatest Credit and trust about him whoe before my disgrace had been one of my best frends and very highly obliged me in many occasions and after my misfortune had carried himselfe indifferently without doeing me either good or harme untill at that conjoncture he began againe to favour me giveing me his promesse to doe me what good offices he Could but being diametrally opposite in his Jugdment Councells and Proceedings to my humble opinions touching the likeliest means leading towards the Kings restauration I unhappily used to much freedom in my argumentations with himselfe and excessively more in my discources with others concerning him in a letter I had written to the Earle of Difert then at Antwerp which was intercepted to avow the truth I had made some bitter reflexions upon his conduct thowgh without nameing him but being
forces with all diligence in soe much that had the Scots but avoyded fighting for the space of one month which with great ease they might have done by the advantagious posts whereof in divers places throwgh which they had marched they Could have had their choise by a good entrenchment which at other tymes was observed they sufficiently understoode the forces of the four Provinces I have named would have in that tyme composed a solid body of an army more considerable for Nomber and in all other regards then that of the Scots amounted to Besides those of the easterne assotiation were fully and unanimously resolved to rife Cornwell Devon Somerset and Dorset the like and wanted only a month or six weeks tyme in sine the whole nation was prepared as to the same end and were in the way towards it when the strange and allmost wonderfull defeat of the Scots army by Cromwells not consisting of halfe their nomber broake all other measures which had been taken upon that fowndation by concert some months before As they had neglected what I have allready mentioned touching encampment soe when they came to fight as if there had been a fatallity both in the conduct and success they neither made use of the great advantages of their nomber their army haveing been soe ranged that the greatest halfe of their troupes never came to fight nor profited themselves of that benefit of the choyse of grownd and other commodities which a defensive army may have against an enemy whoe attacques it which owght allways to be held in cheife consideration by all experienced and Provident soldiers But to cease from all further reflexions that army was unfortunately beaten and soe totally dissipated that it was not believed that 5000. of them ever returned to Scotland this miscarriage and misforture stifled divers great designes abortively upon the point of their production and cut of others which were begun before they Could come to any maturity Haveing been at that tyme privy to all the designes and measures formed and taken in that conjoncture and in those transactions as likewise actively industrious in the contriving and advancing of moste of them which according to humane Judgment I was fully persuaded could not have fayld of the end where unto they were directed of the Kings liberty and happy restauration both for himselfe his porsterity and subjects His late Ma tie was out of the hands of his enemies the King now raigning escaped out of England the Parliaments whole fleet leaving them returned to their obedience to their Souveraigne the Scots entered into ye heart of England with the formed body of an army of twenty thowsand men risings in severall places an universall and well formed resolution throwgh the whole nation to doe the same and upon the very point of being put in execution one great and indeed unreasnable errour and twoe or three others not much less which to avoyd tediousness as well as for other reasons I mention not ruined all and shortly after the whole fabrique of Gouverment causing such a violent and Generall Conflagration as I fear even to this day has never been totally extinguished but as fyer hid in the cavernes of the earth is often subject to make very dangerous irruptions The Scotch army totally defeated Cromwell Marched towards Scotland all other parties in England which had declared for his Ma tie were easily dissipated and all places sudainly reduced the humane cause of this extraordnary and most un apprehended ruine of the Scots forces was attributed to the secret correspondence which was more then believed to have been betwixt some of the dissenting clergy which were much the greatest nomber with other of the nobillity whoe had opposed most violently that expedition into England and Cromwell As likewise to the great influence they had upon a considerable part of that army which was knowne to some and had very convincing appearences to all both from their extraordinary conduct in suffering themselves to be constrained to fight against their wills and contrary to the common interest of the Cause they had in hand and when they engaged soe Improvidently to have ordered the business as not to have browght halfe their army to fight as likewise from the transactions and accord betwixt Cromwell and that partie of the Scotch when he came upon their borders The whole face of things being thus unexpectedly changed the more severe part of the Presbitereans whoe had not long before concurred with the armies partie in both houses to the vote of non adresses to the King apprehending when it was to late the danger of the totall subversion of the antient Gouverment of the three Nations by theise allmost prodigeous successes of the army changed their mindes forsooke the army party and joyning themselves to the moderate Presbitereans whoe in truth and reallity were strong Protestants but no Presbitereans were by much the more numerous in both houses nullified the former resolution of non adresses to the King and agreed to a speedy treaty with him hopeing to have concluded it before Cromwells army Could March southward and joyne with Fairefax soe to have browght his Ma tie with freedome Honour and safety to London to have voted all the Generall officers commissions voyde to have employd others in their charges and at the same tyme to have raysed a niew army in and about London by which means it was hoped all parties would have agreed together whoe were frends to the antient Gouverment and to the lawes of the Nation which were undoubtedly nine parts of ten in all three Kingdomes A day was prefixed for the beginning of the treaty forty days limited for its continuation thowgh that it was belived it would have been concluded in ten throwgh the necessity of the interests on both sides Which had it been I am confident the King had been happily restored and a multitude of Calamities prevented which ensued at and since his death and as may be feared are not yet soe entirely ended as wise and honest men may wish Artickles were drawne up and Commissioners sent away with them to the Isle of wight About which tyme M r. William Moray then of the bedchambre to his Royale Highness whoe was permitted to be about the King during the treaty wrote me word that his Ma tie had commanded him to let me know that if I Could come into England either by permission of the Parliament where the Presbitereans had at that tyme the power or secretly my negotiations at that conjoncture with those whoe had formerly had communication with me about his affaires and my advertisements to him might be of great use As soone as I had received the letter without much ballancing concerning the danger which I exposed my selfe to I repayred to flushing hired a fisher boate of expressly haveing desguised my selfe as much as I could arriving in twoe days at London where I remayned secretly during the treaty Very shortly after haveing spoaken
lost with the Gouverment which then was totally frustrated of the chiefe end for which I had broken with all my former frends by procuring leave contrary to their Councels for my returne into England which was to have gotten my selfe to the head of a Regiment of 2500. Men of my owne Nation in the King of Frances service whereby I Could have subsisted with honour and Gouverned my selfe in other things according to events During my sickness which was violent I fownd my selfe suffiently contented to dye for being ruined with all the world small hopes remayning to recouver my self I Could better have submitted to a quiet death then to have suffered those bitter anxieties of a turbulent and afflicted life which I fore saw I was likely to undergoe as hath befallen me from that very tyme to this day but the periode either of our lives or trowbles comes not as we often desire Haveing recouvered my health I endeavoured to calme my minde which was not without disordre and to bear patiently those calamities which I then felt and to fortify my selfe to suffer those which I foresawe I was likely to undergoe by a decree greater and more souveraigne then solomans which would require a support sublimer then what reason or Philosophy Could afford feeling in my selfe Just cause for what I apprehended when I deeply reflected on the violent passions inordinate affections and to great infirmities of my life past I knew plethorique bodies repleat with vitious humours if there were any hope of cure had need of strong and searching phisick Which preparitories have kept me from being entirely overwhelmed with what I have since undergone I returned no more into England till the death of Cromwell which came to pass neer twoe years after S r. William Lockart whoe was then Cromwels Ambassadour in France and Gouvernour of Dunkirck to whome I had been knowne before he fell into that interest gave me a pass with a letter of recommandation to one of his frends whoe was at that tyme in great credit The factions and divisions in the army the vinversall discontents in all the three-Nations which Could not longer bear the confusions of those tymes being destitute of all Principles of Gouverment either in church or state the weakness of him whoe succeeded and of those whoe followed him that amidst the greatest Anarchy in the world figured to themselves a chimerical Democratie which one of them Called a republique as durable as the sun and moone wherein he vanted himselfe to have more greatness then he wished for which in eight months tyme afterwards terminated in a strict Imprisonment in the Tower of London where he dyed and his republique as usually Anarchies doe ended in Monarchy many of the greatest and wisest men of the three Nations taking occasion of those desorders which underhand some of them increased all they Could opened the way to his Ma ties re-establishment The next day after his arivall at whitehall I was comitted close Prisonner to the Tour of London into the custody of a person whoe had been one of the late Kings Judges whoe was not only pardoned but continued for some tyme as Lieutenant of that place this may deservedly be considered as a wonderfull dispensation to see me whoe had very often hazarded my life for the service of the crowne and especially for the preservation of that King become a prisoner under the care of one whoe had a principal hand in his death because he was cunning enowgh to help to destroy his fellowes but a few days before the late Kings restauration and when he plainly perceaved there was no humane possibility to hinder it I remained under a severe restraint about aleaven months when by order I was browght by S r. John Robinson then Commanding the Tower the former haveing been remouved to whitehall to be examined which I was upon divers Artickles by the Earle of Clarendon at that tyme Lord Chancellour and by the twoe Secretaries of State S r. Edward Nicolas and S r. William Maurits What was true I acknowledged pleading an inevitable necessity for what I had done aleadging that those things Could not amount to the crime mentioned in the warrant for my committment which was upon suspition of misprision of treason my Lord Chancellour told me I was browght thither only to answer cattegorically to what was demanded of me That pleading of my cause was for another place if it should be thowght fit to bring me thither notwithstanding that rebuke upon my further examination as the matter required and Could permit I defended my selfe as reasnably as I Could in soe much that his Lordship told me Colonel Bamfield I can perceave that you have not been alltogether Idle in the Tower seeing you are arrived at soe much knowledg in the law at least as you belive but I must tell you that your wisest and surest refuge will be to have your recourse to the Kings clemency and not to your Justification I answered him I had great need of his Ma ties Grace that I threw my selfe at his feet and Implored it with all humility but was fully persuaded that his LoPP. desired not that I should acknowledge my selfe more guilty then I was he replyed no God forbid but it behouves you to be very Carefull that some things you deny come not to be prouved which the King has been informed of and belives I added no more but if they Could be prouved I desired no Grace This examination lasted longer there then is necessary it should doe here In the conclusion I was commanded to withdrawe into an ante chamber where some of the nobility and divers Gentilemen were standing by the fier and I went alone to a window over against them about halfe an hower after my Lord chancellour and the Secretaries Came out and being ready to pass by me his LoPP. drew a little towards me and I with a profownde reverence neerer to him he sayd aloude in the hearing of all present Colonel Bamfield I am your freind M r. Secretaries and I are sencible of your sufferings and will doe all we can to obtayne you the Kings Grace and to procure your liberty And turning to S r. John Robinson sayd M r. Lieutenant you may let him have the full liberty of the Tower and all his frends whoe desire it the freedome to visit him as we returned back in the barge to the tower amongest other discource for then he was become very civile whoe before had treated me exceeding rudely S t. John Robinson told me that he had conceaved my business to have been much otherwise then he fownd it that my Lord Chancellour had been as moderate in his reflexions on my answers after I was gone out as he had been in the examination and at the end of the debate spake theise following words The somme of all is that Colonel Bamfield has served the Crowne from his youth and when we left him he left us About three
months after his Ma tie sent an order for my liberty I continued some tyme in London where I lived with the greatest circomspection Imaginable not to give cause of jalousy or offence to any Till at length S r. Allen Apsly treasurer to his Royale Highness whoe did me the honour some tymes to see me with a civile and frendly introduction to very ill niews told me in plain termes that the court was againe abondantly unsatisfyed with me and that Particularly his Royale Highness the Duke of Yorke had commanded him to tell me that I owght to be carefull of my comportment that if I fell into any trowble he would have nothing to doe with me adding theise words the Duke is soe displeased with you that I belive it easier for you to recouver the Kings favour then his I with some Importunity urged him to tell me if he knew any thing of the cause to which he gave no other answer then that the best cource he Could advise me to was for some tyme to retire my selfe out of England till the publique affaires were soe re-settled that there might remaine no grounds of jalousy concerning me I replyed I shall take this night to thinke of it and would the next day give him an account of my resolution which I did the morning following before he was out of his bed I told him that I had duly weighed his councel and was determined to follow it that thowgh the storme I had stoode out seemed to have been abated yet I Could perceave the sea was stil unquiet the winde contrary and my ankers not the surest in soe much that I should seek another port his answer was you doe very wisely for in case the least newe disorder should arise I am soe much your frend as to tell you freely that I persuade my selfe you would be confined to a perpetuaile Imprisonment I replied I had rather dye he told me brusquly that you may easily doe if you have a minde to it I besowght him to acquaint his Ma tie that if he pleased to give me leave I would for some tyme retire out of his Dominions till the affaires of state were soe settled to his contentment that my returne might give no ombrage The apprehension of a continuel Imprisonment had soe alarmed me that I was willing to be gone as soone as I could which made me hasten to him agayne twoe days after he told me he had fownd occasion to represent to the King my humble resolution of retirement which his Ma tie approuved He added likewise that he had acquainted my Lord Chancellour therewith whoe he sayd commended my discretion councelled me to carry my selfe abrode circomspectly and Dutifully not haveing to doe with factious or scismaticall people by which means he hoped to see me in some tyme recalled from my volontary banishment Theise discources of his together with some advertisements I had from a person of great Importance at that tyme of his Ma ties councel whoe either out of compassion or frendship by one of his neer relations had desired to meet me in a third place caused me to hasten my departure with soe much precipitation as to leave my torne affaires in a very desorderly condition for he gave me some light into the reasons of my niew desgrace as my often frequenting of some places thowgh most publiquely which was interpreted to my disadvantage as all things in nature at that tyme by some would have been secondly that I had spoken words to a certain person with greater confidence then discretion which were looked upon as marques of remaining discontent and of factious inclinations he told me the expressions but assured me that he knew not whoe the reporter was where upon I named the person avowing that I had sayd those words or to the same effect Acquainting him with the occasion which was that this Gentileman was not at that tyme in very much greater grace in the court then I with whome some tymes I met occasionally and at other oportunities he did me the honour to visit me one day I retayned him with me at dinner at the table we discourced of many indifferent things as I tooke them to be for as long as he was there one of my servants was present and till neer the end of dinner his footeman whoe being gone out of the chamber he sayd some words to me absolutely in rallerie which was custumary amongest the great wits of which nomber he really was both by nature and acquisition as any I knew of the Nation the substance was a paralelle he made betwixt me and one dead some tyme before whoe had not been of the Kings most dutyfull subjects referring to the future course of things as he sayd they might fall out I I suspecting nothing for we had lived during the space of twelve or thirtien years with great kindeness and familiarity answered him in the same dialect in pure and manifest rallerie nor could the thing it self about which he had spoken bear any other sence if weighed without passion and my answer much less if the antecedent as well as the consequent had been reported but he in another place and to other persons repeated only and that grammatically my words as seperate from his owne which he never mentioned in soe much that where twoe sentences are relatives if the later be reported without the former to which it related the sence may be wrested oftentimes to what one will Haveing recited exactly the whole Matter with all the circomstances to this noble person he shooke his head and sayd theise are dangerous tymes and such are most dangerous men I besowght him that he would acquaint my Lord Chancellour with this business and all its circomstances He replied his Lordship knowes nothing of my speaking with you much less of what I say to you and I desire he never may nor any els I have wished you well as long as I have knowne you and have been very sorry for your misfortunes and out of pure pitty have adventured to speak with you to hynder your falling into greater which may prove as lasting as your life and therefor I hope you will keep this meeting and what I have sayd to you secret otherwise you will deal unwisely as to you selfe and unthanckfully as to me Some persons of the greatest Calibre are soe prepossested against you that your clearing your selfe in this point will in no kinde help you for the words themselves can bear no action in law nor be of any other consequence then to confirme some in the belief long rooted in them that you are discontented and that your heart swells with mutinous and revengfull thowghts which is soe ingrafted that if an Angel should descend from Heaven to declare the contrary I may question whither it would avayle you Retire your selfe as soone as you can be very circomspect in your whole comportment and especially in your discources wherein your best frends
condemne you as often to free Speaking to him about his Royale Highness the Duke of Yorke and my Lord Chancellour he told me the Duke is not as I hear inclined to you as he has been and I easily belive that S r. Allen Apsley sayd the truth to you for I had told him what it was that his Master will not medle in your concernments My Lord Chancellour had kindeness for you wrowght out your liberty was opinion when you first came out of the Tower that you might have been employed at sea for the King would not endure to hear of your coming to Court but now those thowghts of his Lordship are off and thowgh I can perceave that he wishes not your utter ruine yet if you should fall into any new trowble you will finde no favour from him I have here inserted the substance of this noble persons discource and as far as I can possibly recollect his words Upon these advices twoe or three days after I embarqued my selfe in a ship of Zealand and landed at Midelburgh where meeting with very great civility and kindeness from all persons in generall I remayned neer four years when by the councels and very effectual recommendations of some of my frends I went to the Hague where by their credit and by the power of some persons in Holland whome they had engaged to favour me I had the honour to be received into the service of the State Shortly after Colonel Dolman and I were summoned by proclamation without the specification of any crime as the cause to render our selves in England by a day which neither of us doeing we were both proscribed and which I belive was never done before by act of Parliament without any Criminal charge aleadged against either I shall not wear out tyme with fruitless complaints nor with any other kinde of reflexions which can signify nothing I only solemnly protest that after my proscription which was I thinke in the very beginning of the year 1666 till the month of April in the year 1674 I never wrote letter nor sent message to any creature in any of his Majesties Dominions nor did receive any Haveing not had in all that tyme being about eight years the least correspondence directly or indirectly either to good or bad ends In the month of April 1674 when the peace was concluded by the last treaty of Breda I wrote three or four letters to twoe persons of great quality in the most eminent employments about his Majestie and in no less credit Whoe had been bred up from their youth in the service of the crowne one with whome I had formerly long and great correspondence returned me no other answer then verbally to him whoe delivered him my letter that he was very sorry for the unhappiness of my condition but that the conjoncture Could not permit any man to speak in favour of that unfortunate Gentileman The other I know did move his Ma tie in my behalfe for my returne into England severall tymes but Could obtayne no Grace Thus finding my selfe most entirely ruined and hopeless of ever recouvering either in England or els where I betooke my selfe to a resolution as contrary to my temper humour and custome as one opposite can well be to another where unto I could never constraine my inclination throwgh the whole course of my life untill that tyme which was to retire my selfe not only from all kinde of affaires of what nature soeever but even from the usual contentment of humane conversation as far forth as the possibility of subsisting Could admit and to lead an Hermitical kinde of life to which end haveing throwgh the frendship of a worthy person to whome I was knowne procured in the country a little house in a garden but as great as my designe Thither I retired my selfe and soe continued during the space of five years haveing had in all that tyme very little other society then my bookes and meditations notwithstanding this great circomspection and harmless way of living I Could not be entirely free from some practises which had been for a long tyme one of the chiefe causes of my great calamitie in soe much that I then did and doe now thinke that if the very trees Could have had the discoursive faculty they would have been employ'd to my disadvantage which made me as much as was decently possible to avoyd the speaking with all man kinde but in this egiptiene darkness by intervalls God extraordinaryly afforded me such glimerings of light that I Could discouver the first mouvers reasons ends and instruments of all theise practises as likewise that passion in the first and interest in the last produced theise effects from which I playnly saw no manner of life that I Could consine my selfe unto was of sufficient force to free me Theise considerations which were solid and reall exempt from all Hypocondriacall vapours or chimeraes together with the very sencible decay of my health throwgh this way of living as likewise that melancholy sencibility of my to heavy distresse not haveing been Stoicien enough to have lost my feeling together with other reasons that I shall not mention I concluded my return to Leuwarden at least for the winter more conducible to my health to my security and more convenient in other considerations then the country about the end of September 1679 I posted my selfe there where I lived as free from all conversation as I had done at Bergum In the year 1680 coming to the knowledg of some things which concerned me in the highest degree that I Could be touched with and perceaving by the prints which were frequent and filled therewith that the desordres in England were risen to that Height that the storme seemed to blow from all points of the compass and not only conjecturing that I should be suspected but knowing that I was soe thowgh innocent as to all those transactions as the childe whoe had never seen the light I begun to thinke with my selfe what course was fittest for me to steer and after much deliberation I concluded it absolutely best to write into England which accordingly I did to a person whoe I thowght Could not be exposed to any suspition and by their means if they would have adventured it to have letters delivered to some of the Court whoe had formerly been my frends this person answered my letter and undertooke what I desired Where upon calling the saying to minde that he that wallkes circomspectly walkes surely allbeit I saw no necessity to have done it as things were betwixt England and this State I demanded leave from those whoe had the power to accord it me for my writing to such of my frends as would have endeavourd to get my proscription taken off free and entire liberty was graunted me very Generously without those limitations which I offered to Impose upon my selfe I wrote three letters to persons of Importance at the court one tooke tyme to resolve whither he would