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A47846 The dissenter's sayings, in requital for L'Estrange's sayings published in their own words for the information of the people / by Roger L'Estrange. L'Estrange, Roger, Sir, 1616-1704. 1681 (1681) Wing L1240; ESTC R671 32,651 54

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Sovereign And methinks it is very Vnequal for Men that give no Quarter to Loyal Subjects to stand expostulating for Privileges to Revolters Here 's King and Parliament gone at First Dash A A Confederacy Authoriz'd at Next B A Papal Dispensation from Obedience C The King and Three Estates swallowed up in the Assembly D Subjects set above the Law E The Sovereignty vested in the Multitude F Parliaments subordinated to the Kirk G The King Himself Arraign'd and Judgments denounced against him H The Judges Degraded Courts of Justice silenc'd the Rabble passing Sentence on the Supreme Magistrate Deposing of Princes Justify'd I. This is all Plain enough without Exposition But we are Now about to be yet a little Plainer Sect. 9. Principles and Positions A THe Two Houses have Legal Power to Levy Monys Arms Horse Ammunition upon the Subjects even without or against the Kings Consent and to put into safe hands such Forts Ports Magazines Ships and Power of the Militia as are intended or likely to be intended to introduce a Tyranny not only when Arms are actually raised against them but when they discern and accordingly declare a Preparation made towards it Political Catechism Page 7.1679 B A King abusing his Power to the Overthrow of Religion Laws and Liberties may be controll'd and oppos'd And if he set himself to overthrow all these by Arms then they who have Power as the Estates of a Land may and ought to Resist by Arms because he doth by That Opposition break the very Bonds and overthrow all the Essentials of this Contract and Covenant This may serve to justifie the Proceedings of This Kingdom against the late King who in a Hostile way set himself to overthrow Religion Parliaments Laws and Liberties Douglase's Coronation Serm. Page 10.1951 C The Lords and Commons are as the Master of the House Calamy's Sermon Decemb. 25. 1644. Page 22. The Parliament whom the People Chuse are the great and only Conservators of the Peoples Liberties Ibid D The Parliament of the Commonwealth of England without the King 1651. were the Supreme Authority of this Nation Jenkins's Petition Octob. 15. 1651. E The Sovereignty here among Us is in King Lords and Commons Baxter's Holy Commonwealths Page 72.1659 F The Government of England is a Mixt Monarchy and govern'd by the Major part of the Three Estates assembled in Parliament Parliament Physick for a sin-sick Nation Page 111. G The Houses are not only requisite to the acting of the Power of making Laws but Co-ordinate with His Majesty in the very power of Acting Ahabs Fall Page 42. H Resolved That in case of Extream Danger and of His Majesties Refusal the Ordinance agreed on by both Houses for the Militia doth oblige the People and ought to be obeyed by the Fundamental Laws of This Kingdom Vote of both Houses March 15. 164● Ex. Col. 112. I Resolved That when the Lords and Commons in Parliament which is the Supreme Court of Judicature in the Kingdom shall declare what the Law of the Land is to have This not only question'd and controverted but contradicted and a Command that it should not be obey'd is a high breach of the Priviledge of Parliament Ex. Col. 114. March 16. 1641. K The Lords and Commons in Parliament do declare That it is against the Laws and Liberties of the Kingdom that any of the Subjects thereof should be commanded by the King to attend Him at His Pleasure but such as are bound thereto by special Service Ex. Col. 193. May 17. 1642 L The Towns Forts Treasure Magazine Offices and the People of the Kingdom and the whole Kingdom it self is entrusted unto the King for the Good and Safety and best advantage thereof and as This Trust is for the Use of the Kingdom so ought it to be menag'd by the Advice of the Houses of Parliament whom the Kingdom hath Trusted for That purpose Third Remonstrance May 26. 1642. Ex. Col. 266. M A Parliament may dispose of any thing wherein His Majesty or His Subjects hath a Right in such a way as that the Kingdom may not be expos'd to hazard or danger thereby Ibid. 267 N The Votes of the Lords and Commons in Parliament being the great Council of the Kingdom are the REASON of the King and of the Kingdom Ibid. 278. O Supreme Head and Governour over all Persons in all Causes as it is meant of singular Persons rather than of Courts or of the Collective Body of the whole Kingdom c. And to speak properly it is only in His high Court of Parliament wherein and wherewith His Majesty hath absolutely the Supreme Power and consequently is absolutely Supreme Head and Governour from whence there is no Appeal Remonstrance May 26. 1642. Ex. Col. 703. P The Kings of This Realm ought to be very tender in denying both Houses of Parliament any thing that concerns the Publick Government and good of the Kingdom and they ought to deny themselves and their own Understandings very far before they Deny Them and that upon this ground because they lie under the Obligation of an Oath to pass such Laws if they be Just and Good for the Kingdom And it must Then be a Tender Point for a Prince to judge otherwise of those Laws that are Represented unto Him as such by the Representative Body of the whole Kingdom Ibid. Pag. 715. No Presidents can be Bounds to the Proceedings of the Parliament Ibid. Pag. 726 Q A Parliament may dispose of any thing wherein the King or any Subject hath a Right in such a way that the Kingdom may not be endanger'd thereby And if the King being humbly sought unto by His Parliament shall refuse to joyn with them In such Cases the Representative Body of the Kingdom is not to sit still and see the Kingdom perish before their Eyes and of this danger THEY are Judges and Judges Superiour to all others that Legally have any Power of Judicature in This Kingdom Ibid. No Member of either House ought to be medled withal for Treason Felony or any other Crime without the Cause first brought before Them that they may judge of the Fact and Their leave obteined to proceed Ibid. The Sovereign Power doth reside in the King and both Houses of Parliament And His Majesties Negative Voice doth not import a Liberty for His Majesty to deny any thing as He pleaseth though never so requisite and necessary for the Kingdom Ibid. 727. R When there is certain appearance or grounded suspicion that the Letter of the Law shall be improv'd against the Equity of it that is the Publique Good whether of the Body Real or Representative then the Commander going against its Equity gives Liberty to the Commanded to refuse Obedience to the Letter Ex. Col. Pag. 152. S The Clause wherein we Swear the Preservation and Defence of the Kings Person and Authority doth lye under some restreint by That limitation In the Preservation and Defence of the True Religion and Liberties of the Kingdom To
own Authority This as to the Thing it self We shall now see it in the EFFECTS §. 2. The Fruits of a Toleration A THis is that Diabolical Liberty says Beza Confess Fid. Eccl. l. 5. de sect 44. which hath filled Polonia and Transilvania with so many Plagues of Opinions Reader that thou mayst discern the mischief of Ecclesiastical Anarchy the monstrousness of the much-affected Toleration and be warned to be wise to Sobriety and fear and suspect the pretended New Lights I approve that this Treatise discovering the Gangrene of so many strange Opinions should be Imprinted James Cranfords License to the First Part of Edward's Gangrena B You have most Noble Senators done worthily against Papists Prelates and Scandalous Ministers in casting down Images Altars Crucifixes throwing out Ceremonies c. but what have you done against other kindes of growing Evils Heresie Schism Disorder against Seekers Anabaptists Antinomians Brownists Libertines and other Sects You have destroy'd Baal and his Priests but have you been zealous against Golden Calves and the Priests of the Lowest of the People You have put down the Book of Common-Prayer and there are many among Us that put down the Scriptures slighting yea blaspheming them You have broken down Images of the Trinity Christ Virgin Mary Apostles And we have those who overthrow the Doctrine of the Trinity oppose the Divinity of Christ speak evil of the Virgin Mary slight the Apostles You have cast out the Bishops and their Officers and we have many that cast down to the ground all Ministers in all the Reformed Churches You have cast out Ceremonies in the Sacraments as the Crosse Kneeling at the Lords Supper and we have many cast out the Sacraments Baptisme and the Lords Supper The Sects have been growing upon us ever since the first year of your sitting and have every year encreased more and more things have been bad a great while but this last year they are grown Intolerable And if Schism Heresie c. be let alone and rise proportionably for one year longer we shall need no Cavaliers nor Enemies from without to destroy us Ib. Epist. Ded. to the Lords and Commons C The Independent Churches like Africa do breed and bring forth the Monsters of Anabaptism Antinomianism Familism Nay that huge Monster and old flying Serpent of the Mortality of the Soul Antapologia P. 262. D As John Baptist wore a Leathern Girdle So the Doctrine that he preach'd was Leathern Doctrine Saltmarsh's Serm. at the Bath E The Saints are those that are now stiled Anabaptists Familists Antinonians Independents Sectaries c. The First party that rose against you namely the Prophane ones of the Land are fallen under you and now there is another Party Formalists and Carnal Gospellers rising up against you c. Del's Serm. to the General and Officers June 7. 1646. F Shall the Presbyterians Orthodox Godly Ministers be so cold as to let Anabaptism Brownism Antinomianism Libertinism Independency come in upon us and sleep in a whole skin Gangren Par. 1.91 G When Cartwright Hildersham Travers and many other gracious Divines by the blessing of God upon their Great diligence had undermined and well near overthrown the Episcopal Sees and all the Cathedral Ceremonies Incontinent the Generation of the Separatists did start up c. Bayly's Disswasive Pag. 12. H The famous City of London is become an Amsterdam Separation from our Churches is Countenanc'd Toleration is cry'd up Authority lyeth asleep c. Calamy's Serm. to the Lord Mayor Jan. 14. 1645. Pag. 3. Divisions whether they be Ecclesiastical or Political in Kingdoms Cityes or Familyes are Infallible Causes of Ruine to Kingdoms Cities and Families Serm. to the Lords Dec. 25. 1642. I Diversity of Religion disjoynts and distracts the Minds of men and is the Seminary of Perpetual Hatreds Jealousies Seditions Wars if any thing in the world be and in a little time either a Schism in the State begets a Schism in the Church or a Schism in the Church begets a Schism in the State c. Once for all it is the Preservation and Reservation of Religion which you have Covenanted to endeavour and not a Liberty of Opinion which will consist with neither Newcomen Serm. to Parl. Sept. 12. 1644. K Independents the most Pharisaical proud envious and malicious Sect that ever sprung up Bastwicks Independency not Gods Ordinance Wild-geese Old-geese sticklers against Parliaments and Presbytery Fighters against God Violaters of all the Laws of God and Nature a company of Rats among Joyn'd-stools not worthy to give guts to a Bear Moon-calves c. Id. Postscr Pa. 12.32 34 36. c. L The Errours and Innovations under which we so much groan'd of Latter years were but Tolerabiles Ineptiae tolerable Trifles Childrens-Play compar'd with these Damnable Doctrines Doctrines of Devils as the Apostle calls them Polygamy Arbitrary Divorce Mortality of the Soul No Ministry no Churches no Ordinances no Scripture Yea the very Divinity of Christ and the Holy Ghost question'd by some denyed by Others and the very Foundation of all these layd in such a Schism of boundless Liberty of Conscience c. Serm. before the Commons Aug. 22. 1645. Pag. 29. M The Scriptures deny'd to be the word of God Only of Human Authority Insufficient and Uncertain Edward's Gangrena Pag. 15. God has a hand in and is the Authour of the Sinfulness of his People P. 16. The Soul dies with the Body In the Unity of God there is not a Trinity of Persons Nor Three distinct Persons in the Divine Essence but only Three Offices Pag. 17. That Christs human Nature is de●led with Original Sin That no man shall perish or go to Hell for any Sin but Unbelief only Pag. 18. That men may be saved without Christ. That there is no Original Sin in us only Adams first sin was Original Sin Pag. 20. That the Doctrine of Repentance is a Soul-destroying Doctrine Pag. 21. c. N A Minister in Hertfordshire bringing a place of Scripture against an Anabaptist which he could not Answer said It was the Weakness of the Apostle and there he wanted the Spirit Pag. 33. Part. 1. Some of the Sectaryes Plead Miracles Revelations Visions as Christs appearing to an Anabaptist and forbidding her to baptize her Child Pag. 58. And their dressing up a Cat like a Childe Ibid. O One Cozens of Rochester in Kent sayd that Jesus Christ was a Bastard and that if he were upon the earth again he would be asham'd of many things he then did Ibid. Pag. 105. Oh Lord Thine Honour is now at stake for now O Lord Antichrist hath drawn his sword against thy Christ and if our Enemies prevail thou wilt lose thine Honour Strickland at Southampton Jun. 9. 1643. If thou dost not finish the good Work which thou hast begun in the Reformation of the Church thou wilt shew thy self to be the God of Confusion and such a one as by Cunning Stratagem hast contrived the Destruction of thine own
up in Blood and One that never suck'd in any other Principles but Prerogative and Tyranny Ibid. Pag. 23. M. Charles the First rather chose to submit to the Justice of an Ax in a Hangman's Hand than to sway a Scepter with Equity None-such Charles Pag. 167. Notes on Sect. 5. YOu have here A the Strain and Spirit of a True Covenanting-Brother And they all sing the same Note For they do not only Abjure the Government but they Abjure Repentance too swearing never to make Defection to the Contrary Part But all the Days of their Lives Zealously and Constantly continue therein against All Opposition and promote the same accordingly to their Power against all Lets and Impediments whatsoever In B you find the Petitioner for Indulgence Excommunicating his Sovereign The Paraphrase of C is according to the Stile of This Age only crying No Tory No Courtier at an Election the branding of Honest Men with being Popishly affected and he that will not run Riot with the Rabble is made a Pensioner of France D. and E. Complaining of Persecution In F. you see what work the Doctor makes with the Defender of the Faith G H. I.K.L. are as so many Daggers in the Heart of Sovereignty it self But it is according to the Principles of the True Protestants of Munster that still begin with Religion and end with Treason Pray say if it be not a thousand pities now after all these Complements upon His Sacred Majesty and His Blessed Father that these High-flown Dissenters should not be taken into the Government When these People set up for Pillars of the Church it were a kind of Injustice not to Allow the Kings Judges to put in too for Ministers of State Sect. 6. The Presbyterians Opinion of the Covenant 1. BE astonished O Heavens and tremble O Earth Let the Sun it self be cloath'd in Blackness at this so horrid an Impiety What! Abjure such a Covenant A Covenant so solemnly taken A Covenant for the Matter of it so Religious so Holy c. And must This Covenant be Abjur'd now This Covenant Is not God's Own Word and God Himself too after a sort Abjured in That Act whoever are guilty of it c. The Highest of all Crimes imaginable a Crime that murthers Conscience that murthers Souls that murthers Religion it self a Crime against the First Table most immediately against the Sovereign God and the greatest of that Nature that Men can be guilty of Speeches of the three Regicides Pag. 5. and 6. The Cause says Bark stead lies in the Bosom of Christ and as sure as Christ rose the Cause will rise again Ibid. Pag. 16. I die cleaving to all those Oaths vows and Protestations that were imposed by the Two Houses of Parliament as owning them and dying with my Judgment for them Love 's Tryal Printed Aug. 1652. The convincing Demonstration that there lies no Obligation on me or any other Person from the Oath commonly call'd The Solemn League and Covenant is a Knot cut by the Sword of Authority while it cannot be loosed by Religious Reason Short Survey of the Grand Case Pag. 23.1663 O the Burning of the Covenant in England and the Causes of Wrath in Scotland shall certainly be follow'd with such a Fine and Fierceness of Indignation as shall make Authors Actors Abetters and Rejoycers thereat know what it is to give such an open defiance to the Almighty A Covenant Burnt and Burnt by Authority in the sight of Heaven with such Hell-black Solemnities where the great God is altera pars contrabens for Reformation of Religion according to his Word and Righteousness in walking before him is such a Sin as may make every Soul to tremble at the fore-thoughts of what God will do for vindicating his Glory from that Contempt thereby cast upon him I wish that the Burning of that City into Ashes where that Covenant was Burnt together with that None-such Plague and War may make them take warning ere it be too late who did this Wickedness O England England I fear I fear thy Woe hasteneth the Wrath of God is upon the Wing against thee both for breach of Covenant and wiping thy mouth as if thou hadst done nothing amiss Thou hast stood and seen thy Brothers Day Alas for thy Day when Others shall stand aloof from thee for fear of sharing in thy Judgments Poor Mans Cup c. Pag. 19. We shall not nor cannot enter upon the particular Declaration of that Grace Constancy and Courage by which the Lords Faithful Witnesses were sustein'd and did bear Testimony to the Word of his Truth the Holy Covenant and the Cause and Work of God Napthali Pag. 162. I bear my Witness unto the National Covenant of Scotland and Solemn League and Covenant betwixt the Three Kingdoms of Scotland England and Ireland These Sacred Solemn Publique Oaths of God I believe can be loosed nor dispensed with by no Person or Power upon Earth Napthali Pag. 207. I bear my Witness and Testimony to the Doctrine Worship Discipline and Government of the Church of Scotland by Kirk-Sessions Presbyteries Synods and General Assemblies Popery and Prelacy and all the Trumpery of Service and Ceremonies that wait upon them I do abhor I do bear my Witness unto the National Covenant of Scotland and Solemn League and Covenant c. The Testimony of James Guthrie Minister at his Death at Edinbourgh June 1. 1661. And so of every Man of the Party that Dy'd for the Rebellion in Scotland Notes on Sect. 6. BY This Covenant was designed the Subversion of the Government and by the force of This Covenant it was accomplish'd They do all of them assert the Obligation of it to the very Death and by virtue of This Covenant it is that they have Confederated afresh in Scotland to murther the King and all that serve under Him Now if This be their Principle let any Man consider the Consequence of admitting any Unrenouncing Covenanter by an Act of Special Grace into the Government after so full a Proof and Exposition of the Meaning of That Covenant and so frank a Declaration of their Resolution to make it good Sect. 7. Dissenters Liberty of Conscience THe Scots did not only resolve to take the Covenant themselves but enjoyn'd it throughout the whole Kingdom Sir Henry Vane's Speech at a Common Hall Octob. 27. 1643. Page 4. They enjoyned it upon the Penalties that those that should not take it or should defer it should be esteem'd Enemies to Religion to his Majesties Honor and to the good of the Two Kingdoms that they should have all their Rents and Profits Confiscate That they should brook nor enjoy any Office or Benefit in that Kingdom that they should be cited to the next Parliament to Answer the not taking of it and to be proceeded with there as Enemies to the State and to Religion and to receive such farther Punishment as by the King and Parliament should be put upon them Ibid. Page 5. And that particular
Government in despite of the Magistrate Sect. 12. Reformation by Blood A YOu cannot Preach nor Pray them down directly and immediately Well! that which the Word cannot do the Sword shall Reyner to the Commons Aug. 28. 1644. Pag. 12. B Episcopacy must not only be pull'd up but the Bishops must be hang'd up before the Lord and the Bloodiest and Sharpest War to be endur'd rather then the least Error in Doctrine or in Discipline A Scottish Sermon Kings large Scotch Declaration fol. 404. C Those mine Enemies that would not have me Reign over them bring them hither and slay them before me Those Men that rise up in cursed Practises to change Religion to bring in Idolatry and False Worship to Depose Christ from his Throne and set up Anti-Christ in his Place Noble Sirs in your Execution of Judgment upon Delinquents Imitate God and be Merciful to none that have sinn'd of Malicious wickedness Let not your Eye pity any who in This bloody Quarrel have laid the Foundation of their Rebellion and Massacres in Irreconcileable Hatred to Religion and the Government of Jesus Christ. Case's Sermon to the Court Martial Aug. 17. 1644. D As Josiah put to death those that follow'd Baal so may the Parliament those that will not return and leave Antichristianism Marshalls Serm. March 26. 1645. That Anti-Christianism that was sworn in the Covenant to be rooted out Pag. 45. E I will confidently affirm that our days now are better then they were seven years ago because it is better to see the Lord Executing Judgment then to see Men working Wickedness and to behold a People lye Wallowing in their Blood rathen Apostatizing from God and embracing Idolatry and Superstition and banishing the Lord Jesus from amongst them S. Marshall to Both Houses c. Jan. 18. 1643. Pag. 18 Carry on the Work still leave not a Rag that belongs to Popery lay not a bit of the Lords Building with any thing that belongs to Anti-Christ but away with it Root and Branch Head and Tayl till you can say Now is Christ set upon his Throne Ibid. Page 21. F The Cause you manage is the Cause of God the Glory of God is embarkt in the same Ship in which This Cause is E. Calamy's Sermon to the Peers June 15. 1643. Page 53. He that dyes fighting the Lords Battle dyes a Martyr Ibid. Page 57. G Cursed be he that withholdeth his Sword from Blood that Spares when God saith Strike that suffers those to escape whom God has appointed to Destruction Case on Dan. 11.32 Page 24. To the Commons H The Execution of Judgment is the Lords Work and they shall be Cursed that do it negligently And Cursed shall they be that keep back their Sword from Blood in This Cause Strickland Nov. 5. 1644. Page 26. I The Lord is pursuing you if you execute not Vengeance on them betimes Faircloth on Josh. 7.25 Page 48. Why should Life be further granted to Them whose very Life brings Death to all about them Ibid. K Though as Little Ones they call for Pitty yet as Babylonish they call for Justice even to Blood Bridges on Rev. 4.8 Page 11. L Let us not out of any worldly respects of Estate Wives Children Honour good Nature Justice Compassion Care of Trade of Laws grow slack and lazy in our Undertakings upon the Success of which the Eyes of Christendom are fix'd But let us proceed to shed the Blood of the Vngodly L Dec. 19. 1642. M It is Commendable to fight for Peace and Reformation AGAINST the Kings Command Calamy's Sermon Decem. 25. 1644. Pag. 29. N Do Justice to the greatest Saul's Sons are not Spar'd no nor may Agag nor Benhadad though themselves KINGS Zimri and Cosbi though Princes of the People must be persn'd into their Tents This is the way to Consecrate your selves to God Herle Sermon to the Commons Nov. 5. 1644. Pag. 16 In vain are the high Praises of God in your Mouths without a Two-edged Sword in your hands Ibid. Jan. 15. 1643. Page 31. O If you would have a Peace with Popery a Peace with Slavery if you would have a Judas Peace or a Joab's Peace you know the Story he kiss'd Amasa and then Kill'd him If you would have a Peace that will bring a Massacre with it a French Peace It may be had easily But if you would have a Peace that may continue the Gospel among you and bring in a Reformation c. Such a Peace cannot be had without Contribution toward the bringing in of the Scots Calamy's Speech at Guild-Hall Octob. 6. 1643. Notes on Sect 12. YOu have here Fourteen Paragraphs so Sanguinary and Salvage that if they had not Christian Names to them a body would take the Authors of them for Saracens And to go a little farther with you yet Thirteen of the Fourteen are the Work of Dissenting Divines Not of Mr. Calamy's Wicked Profane Drunken Ministers as he was pleas'd to Baptize the English Clergy but of the Godly Sober Pious and Religious Ministers as he thought fit to distinguish those of his own Party Let the Reader Judge n●w if These be not fit Workmen to be employ'd in the Repairing of our Breaches One more now and I have done Sect. 13. The Murther of the Late King Encouraged and Justify'd A WE propound that That Capital and Grand Author of our Troubles the Person of the King may be speedily brought to Justice for the Treason Blood and Mischief he is guilty of Armyes Remonstrance Nov. 16 1648. P. 62. B Have you not sins enow of your own but will you wrap your selves up in the Treachery Murther Blood Cruelty and Tyranny of others Tho. Brooks Sermon before the Commons Decemb. 26. 1648. Pag. 17. Prep●ration to the Kings Murther Set some of those Grand Malefactors a Mourning that have caused the Kingdom to Mourn so many years in Garments Rolled in Blood by the Execution of IVSTICE c. Ibid. Pag. 19. C The King of Syria came against Israel and by the mighty power of God he and his Army were overthrown and the King was taken Prisoner Now the Mind of G●● was which he then discover'd only by that present Providence that Justice should have been executed upon him but it was not Whereupon the Prophet comes with Ashes upon his Face and waited for the King of Israel in the way where he should return 1 Kings 20.42 and as the King passed by he Cry'd unto him Thus saith the Lord because thou hast let go a Man whom I appointed for Destruction therefore Thy Life shall go for his Life Now see how the King of Syria after this answers Ahab's Love About Three years after Israel and Syria engaged in a New War Benhadad's Life was once in Ahab's hand and he ventur'd Gods displeasure to let him go But see how Benhadad rewards him for it Fight neither against small nor great but against the King of Israel Honourable and Worthy If God do not lead you to do Justice upon