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A04488 A proper dyaloge, betwene a gentillman and a husbandma[n] eche complaynynge to other their miserable calamite, through the ambicion of the clergye. An A.B.C. to the spiritualte. Barlow, William, fl. 1527.; Ullerston, Richard, d. 1423. Compendious olde treatyse, shewynge howe that we oughte to have ye scripture in Englysshe.; Purvey, John, 1353?-1428?, attributed name.; Barlow, Jerome, fl. 1527.; Tyndale, William, d. 1536.; Roy, William, fl. 1527-1531. 1530 (1530) STC 1462.5; ESTC S109533 31,374 66

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se of their prayenge no comodyte Nether a●…untage in any maner For whye with in thes iiij hundred yere Thorough oute christendome was not a free●… Of thes whom we mendicantes call And syth that tyme dyuers facciones Of collegianes monkes and chanones Haue spred this region ouer all Also of prestes were not the tenthe parte Which as they saye haue none other ar●… But for vs worldly people to praye And yet the worlde is nowe farre worsse As euery man felyth in his poorsse Than it was at that tyme I dare saye Wherfore the trueth openly to betryde I wolde they shuld laye their prayenge a syde And geue theym selfes to labour bodely ¶ H●…sbandman It were harde to bringe theym therto Vtterly refusynge any labour to do Because they are people gostely ¶ Gentillman Were not the apostles gostely also ¶ Husbandman Yes syr but it is solonge ago That their lyuynge is oute of memorye ¶ Gentillman We fynde it well in the newe testament ¶ Husbandman The clargye saye it is not conuenyent For layemen therwith to be busye ¶ Gentillman Wotest thou wherfore they do that ¶ Husbondman In fayth syr I coniecture somewhat And I suppose I do not m●…che erre Might men the scripture in Englishe rede We secular people shuld than se in dede What Christ and the apostles lyues were Which I dout nothinge are contrarye Vnto the lyuynge of oure clargye S●…uyn to pomp●…us ydlenes euery where Whos abhominacion ones knowen Their pryde shuld besone ouer throwen And fewe wold their statelynes for beare ¶ Gentyllman Thou hyttest the nayle vpon the heed For that is the thinge that they dreed Least scripture shuld come vnto light God commaundyd man in the begynnynge With sweat of vysage to wynne his lyuynge As Moses in his fyrst boke dothe wryte And as Marcke sayeth in the. vi chapter Christe here vpon erthe was a carpenter Not dysdayninge an occupacion Also the disciples vniuersally With their handes laboured busyly Exchewynge ydle conuersacion ¶ Husbandman Oure clargye lyue nothynge after their rate ¶ Gentillman No they seke ydelly to anaunce their estate And to be had in reputacyon ¶ Husb●…ndman Are they worldly 〈◊〉 ●…ely to saye the tr●…the ¶ Gentyllman So god helpe me I●…e we none of bothe As it apperyth by their fasshion For in matters of worldly busynes The clergye haue moche more ●…tresse Than temporall men I ensure the. The landes of lordes and dukes to possesse Thei abasshe not a whit the seculernes Chalengynge tytles of worldly honour But is the realme in any necessyte Where as they shuld condescend of ducte To stande by their prince with succour Than to be of the world they denye Sayenge that their helpe is spiritually From the worlde makinge a separacion ¶ Husbandman Whiles they vse soche craftynes to contryue The temporalte ought theym to depryue Of their worldly dominacyon And euen as they saye that they are gostely So without any assistence worldly To lyue gostely they shuld haue no let ¶ Gentillman That were an expedyent medicyne Accordinge vnto saynt Paules doctryne Qui non laborat non manducet Nowithstanding their power is so stronge That whether they do ryght or wronge They haue their owne will without fayle Their enormytees so ferre out breaketh That all the worlde agaynst theym speaketh But alas man what dothe it avayle ¶ Husbondman The remedy that I can ymagyne Were best that we together determyne To get vs to london incontynent Where as it is here for a suretetolde The kinge with his nobles dothe holde A generall counsell or parlament ¶ Gentillman What woldest thou that we shuld do there ¶ Husbondman The constraynte of oure myserye to declare Under a meke forme of lamentacion ¶ Gentillman So shuld we be sure of soche answeres As were made vnto the poore beggers For their pituous supplicacyon Against whō y e clergyes resons nought worthe The soules of purgatory they brought forthe The beggers complaynte to discomfyte Wherfore against oure peticion I the tell They wold bringe out all the deuells in hell For to do vs some shamefull despyte ¶ Husbondman And was ther none other waye at all But the sonles of purgatory to call In ayde and assistence of the clergye ¶ Gentillman It was the suerest waye by seynt Ihone For had they to playne scripture gone I wousse they hadde be taken tardye The beggers complaynte was so grounded That the clargye hadde be confounded Had they not to purgatory hasted ¶ Husbondman Where sayd they purgatorye shuld be ¶ Gentillman By scripture they shewed no certente Albeit with stowte wordes they it faced Euen like vnto the man which ment A certeyne straunge ylonde to inuent But whan he sawe●… could it not fynd●… Least his wit travaile shuld seme in vayne Reporte of other men he beganne to fayne The symplicite of rude people to blynde But touchinge oure communicacion Ther is another consideracion Which somewhat more troubleth my mynde Thou knowest that in the parlament The chefe of y e clergye are resident In a maruelous great multitude Whos fearce displeasure is so terrible That I iudge it were not possible Any cause against them to conclude As for this ones we shall not be herde And great men I tell the are a ferde With them to haue any doynge Whosoeuer will agaynst them contende Shall be sure of a mischefe in the ende Is he genttllman lorde or kynge And that vnto kynge Ihon I me reporte With other princes lordes a great sorte Whom the cronycles expresse by name Whiles they were a lyue they did them trouble And after their deathe with cruelnes double They ceased not their honour to diffame Dyd not they so longe striue a wrastle Against the good knight syr Ihon oldecastle Other wise called lorde of ●…obham That from hyghe heresye vnto treasone They brought him to fynall destruction With other many a noble man Moreouer at seynt Edmūdes bury some saye That the famous prince duke Humfray By them of his lyfe was abreuiate Sythe that tyme I coulde reckenmo Whom they caused to be dispatched so Parauenture some of no lowe estate ¶ The husbandman Their tyranny is great without fayle Neuerthelesse yf we wold them assayle With argumentes of the holy gospell They shuld n●… be ones able to resiste For the wordes of oure sauiour christe Shuld stoppe them were they neuer so fell Who in the. xxiij chapter of seynt Luke To their great confusyon and rebuke Forbydeth secular ambicion Wherin he himselfe example gaue Contempnynge worldly honour to haue Of this world claymynge no kingdome Also when his disciples forthe he sent He commaunded them to be content With foode and apparayle necessary Wherto saint Paules doctrine accordinge Saieth hauynge mea●… d●…inke and clothinge We shuld no thinge couer super●…uosly ¶ Gentillman Yf the holy gospell allege we shuld As stronge heretike sta●…e vs they would Vnto their churche disobedient For why they haue commaunded straytely That none vnder great payne be so hardye To haue
groundyd on reason with scripture Yf soche 〈◊〉 thynges myght come to ly ght That noble men hadde ones of theym a s●…ght The world yet wolde chaunge perauenture For here agaynst the clergye can not bercke Sayenge as they do thys is a newe wercke Of heretykes contryued lately And by thys treatyse it apperyth playne That before oure dayes men dyd compleyn●… Agaynst clerkes ambycyon so stately ¶ Husbandman Concernynge thys treatyse and lyke matters I haue hard saye of my fore fathers Bowe in kynge henry the. v. raygne What tyme as ye dyd specyfye The clergye persecutyd the gospell fercely Causynge moche chrystē people to be slayne The kynge at the last hauynge informacyon Thourough seryous consyderacyon Of soche proper matters as thys is Beganne to note the clergyes tyranny And what temporaltees they dyd occupye Their spirituall state ferre a mysse Wherfore he determyned certeynly To depryue theym temporally Of all theyr worldly gouuernaunce Whos pretence as sone as they perceyued Amonge theym selfes they Imagyned To get the kynge ouer in to fraunce That whyles he conqueryd ther his ryght In england do what they lyst they myght Theyr froward ●…yranny to fulfyll Which counseil thus brought to passe The kynge euer after so busyed wasse That he could not performe hys sayde wyll ¶ Gentyllman So moore I the it was happye for the kynge That by soche a colour they could hym brynge From medlynge with that case any more For hadde he it ones ernestly begonne They had put hym to a confusyon Euene as they dyd other kynges before ¶ Husbandman What suppose ye they wold haue done ¶ Gentyllman Mary fyrst with a fayre interdyccion To coursse the lande as blacke as pytche Than to inhybyt sayenge and syngynge Of mattyns masse and belles ryngynge With christen bury all of poore and ryche Besyde that precheres euery where Shuld haue brought men in soche fere By theyr threatnynge exclamacyon That their malycyous partye to take Subgettes shuld theyr prynce for sake Contrary to goddes ordynacyon Euene as they dyd in hygh Germany To the Emperour lewes of Bauerye Whom Pope Ihone sought to confounde And so dyd the clergy as Ivnderstande Unto kynge Ihon here in Englande To kynge Sreuen henry the secounde ¶ Husbandman They saye kynge Ihone was poysoned Because an halfe peny lofe of brced Besayde he wold make worthe xij pence ¶ Gentillman Tushe that is a cast of theyr comon gyse Soche infamy of prynces to deuy●…e To cloke theyr oune tyrannous vyolence For hadde not kynge Ihon gene aboute From their temporaltees to put theym ow●… Be hadde bene longe after a lyues man But murder they neuer so shamefully They can geue it a cloke full craftely Sayenge nobis non licer occidere quenq●… ▪ Whan they brennyd the newe testament They pretendyd a zele very feruent To maynteyne onely goddes honour Which they sayde with protestacyon Was obscured by translacyon In englysshe causynge moche errour But the trueth playnly to be sayde Thys was the cause why they were a frayde Least laye men shuld knowe theyr iniquite Which through goddes worde is so vttred That it were not possyble to be suffred Yf to rede scripture men had lyberte Also after the same maner a fasshyon Subtelly to colour theyr abhomynacyon They destroyed cronicles not longe a gone Which for certeyne poyntes vnreuerently Soundynge agaynst the kynges aunce●…rye As they saye were brent euery chone But for all that they shulde haue been spared From burnynge had they not so declared The clergyes abhomynable excesse ¶ Husbandman I suppose then that they vse the same wayes In burnynge of heretykes nowe a dayes Whom they pursue with great furyousne●… ¶ Gentillman No fayle they perswade temporall menne Thes heretykes as they saye to brenne Least other good christians they shuld ifecte But y e cause why they wolde haue theim rydde Is onely that theyr vnhappynes nowe hydde They dreede least they shuld openly detecte ¶ Husbandman By my trouth it is nothinge vnlickly For let one lyue neuer so wyckedly In abhominable scandalisacion As longe as he will their church obaye Not refusynge his tithes duely to paye They shall make of him no accusacion Howbeyt let him ones begynne to pynche Or withdrawe their tithinge anynche For an heretike they will him ascite Wherfore I wonder moche of the temporalte That in performyngethe clargyes cruelte To burne soche parsones they haue delyte ¶ Gentillman It is no merueil yf th●…n marcke well The clargye sayenge y t it is goddes quarrell Their mischeuous murdre to execute ¶ Husbandman So they are not a knowen by their wyll That it is their cause christen men to kyll But the faute vnto other they impute ¶ Gentyllman Touchinge that another tyme atleyser I shall shewe the more of their maner But nowe I can not ●…ary verely ¶ H●…sbandman Well syr yf ye may no longer abyde Oure lorde be your continnall gyde Grauntiuge y ● trouth to be knowen openly A compēdious oldetreatyse shewynge howe that we ought to haue the scripture in Englysshe ¶ Thexcusacyon of y e treatyse Though I am olde clothed i barbarous wede Nothynge garnysshed with gaye eloquency Yet I tell the trouth yf ye lyst to take hede Agaynst theyr frowarde furious frenesy Which recken it for a great heresy And vnto laye people greuous outrage To haue goddes worde in their natyfe langage Enemyes I shall haue many a shoren crowne With forked cappes and gaye croosys of golde Which to maynteynether ambicious renowne Are glad laye people in ignorance to holde Yet to shewe the verite one maye be bolde All though it be a prouerbe daylye spoken Who that tellyth trouth his head shalbe brok●… ¶ Vnto the Reader GRace ād peace not that y e worlde geuyth but from god the father oure sauioure Iesu Christ with increace of the holy spryt be with the and all that thurste y e truthe Amē ¶ Cōsyderynge y e mal●…ciousnes of oure prelatz theyr adherentes whiche so fu riously barke ageynst y e worde of God ād specially the new testamēt translatyd set forthe by Master Williā Tyndale which they falsely pre tende to be sore corrupte That ye may knowe y t yt is only the inwarde malyce whiche they haue euer had ageynst the worde of God I haue here put in prynte a tretyse wrytten aboute y e yere of oure lorde a thousande foure hundryd By which thou shalte playnly perceyue y t they wol de yet neuer from the begynnynge admytte any trāslaciō to y e laye people so y t it is not y e corrupte trāslacion y t they withstōde For yf that were true the ydle bellyes wolde haue had leyser Inough to put forth a nother well trāslatyd But yt is theyr owne myscheuous lynyn ge y ● monith thē accordyng as Christe sayd Ihon̄ iij. Euery man that workyth euyll hatyth y e lyght ner comyth to y e lyght lest hys workes shulde be repro ued c. Thus mayst thou se that bycause their