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A90963 Clerico-classicum, or, The clergi-allarum to a third war. Being an answer to a pamphlet, intituled, A serious and faithfull representation of the judgements of ministers of the Gospel within the province of London, contained in a letter from them to the Generall and his Councell of Warre. Delivered to his Excellency by some of the subscribers, Jan. 18. 1648. Which may likewise serve for a brief answer to their late vindication, relating to their former actings, touching the capitall punishment of the person of the King. / By John Price, citizen of London. Price, John, Citizen of London. 1649 (1649) Wing P3340; Thomason E544_1; ESTC R204338 47,303 74

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Standard against you then you stirre up the people from another Article of the Covenant engaging the discovery of all such as have beene or shall be Incendiaries Malignants or evill instruments by hindering thereformation of Religion and those pas●ges obliging the preservation of the rights and priviledges of Par●ament c. If the Parliament stand in your way and joyning ●ith the contrary party may hopefully help you slye to tha●●rt and article of the Covenant engaging for the preservation 〈◊〉 defence of the Kings Majesties person and Authority c. As 〈◊〉 the Scripture in the severall vein●s thereof and the Solemne ●ague and Covenant in all the Articles thereof intended ●othing else but Presbyterie and as if Presbyterie were no●●hing else but the lifting you up into an absolute indepen●ent uncontroulable Supremacy in all Ecclesiasticall dignity ●nd glory and by your example are all contrary paties taught 〈◊〉 plead the Covenant those that you call Sectaries Schisma●eks c. plead the Covenant engaging each to go● before other 〈◊〉 matters of Reformation The Presbyterian pleads Cove●●nt-engaging conformity as they urge with the Church of ●●●tland The Parliamenteer pleads Covenant engaging to ●●serve the rights and privledges of Parliament The Royallist ●●●ads Covenant engaging to preserve and defend the Kings Majesties Person and Authority The Armists plead Covenant ●●gaging to preserve the liberties of the Kingdome c. So that you have made the Covenant a meere contradictions thing like unto one of the Diabolicall Oracles of the Heathens spea●●ng nothing certaine but ambiguitie● but let us a little examine how pertinently you bring i● in in this place to shew the Parliament and Armie their wickednesse in going about to ●ring the late King to his Tryall for his vitious bloody and tyrannicall Government you put them in minde of their Solemn League and Covenant to preserve defend the Kings Majesties Person and Authority in the preservation and defence of 〈◊〉 Religion and Liberties of the kingdomes that the world may 〈◊〉 witnesse with our Consciences of our loyalty and that wee have 〈◊〉 thoughts or intentiens to diminish his Maj●sties just power and greatnesse First We were bound to preserve and defend his Person when we first took this Covenant and at that time you know very well you stirred up the people to sight against his Army though his Person was the Leader thereof which presume● first that either you perswaded the people against the 〈◊〉 of your owne consciences or secondly that you conceived that though his Person should be smitten into the chambers of Death by those that did fight against his Army yet they did not break the Covenant If so then there is a case wherein the KINGS Person may be ●ut off without breach of Covenant Secondly The oligation is for the preservation of his Person AVTHORITY not for his Person simply but his Person and Authority If both come in competition then the greater is to be prefer'd before the lesser that is his Authoririty before his Person If his Authority that is that by which the execution of all just lawes of the Kingdome is legally performed enjoynes the cutting off of Murtherers and Traitors by death if his Person be found to be a Murtherer or Traitor then either his authority or person must dye If his Authority dies then no Murtherers and Traitors or any other Delinquents must die or suffer for what reason can be given th●t the greatest Traitor or Murtherer should be spared and not others The nearer relations are the greater is the sinne of the violation thereof the King is the Father the Husband of his Countrey if he shall murther his Children his Spouse he deserves a sorer death then common murtherers doe● Treason is the betraying of just trusts the greater the trust the greater the treason the worse the Traitor the Covenant then engageth to preserve his Authority rather then his Parson for though his Person may be engaged against his people yet his authority cannot withstand his people no Prince having authority to destroy kill and murther his people it is true he may have potentiam but not potestatem an opportunity but not an authority might but not right hereunto If his person riseth up against his authority and his authority against his person if one of these must perish the Solemne League and Covenant obligeth us to preserve his authority though with the destruction of his person Thirdly The Covenant binds us to preserve his person in the preservation and defence of the true Religion true Religion doth not command to punish the poore and spare the rich true Religion doth not say if the Subject doe kill and murther rob and steale he shall be so and so punished but if the King doth these things a thousand times over he must not be medled withall by any but God alone true Religion saith he that sheds mans blood by man shall his blood be shed the murtherer shall surely be put to death the revenger of blood shall stay the murtherer c. If then the King be a murtherer true Religion comman●● that he be put to death true Religion as to matter of right or wrong maketh no difference nor hath respect of persone it doth not justifie the wicked though hee be never so great and whereas you may urge that the meaning of those Scriptures have a speciall reference to the Authority by which the murtherer must be put to death by man shall his blood be shed that is by man invested with lawfull authority not by every man or any man and that Court by which the King was condemned and executed was no more a lawfull Authority then the doing thereof by a private person having not the least colour of the law of the La●d for it Saith that profound Lawyer Mr. Love only as solemn a piece of mockery as ever was acted upon the stage of this world and so thin that every eye may pierce it and the solemnity thereof excepted the same with John of Leyden Saith another grave and judicious Divine Mr. Jenkin His life being taken away unjustly and his blood drawn by unrighteousnesse Saith another meek Minister of the Gospel Mr. Cauton an imbr●ing of their hands with the blood of their Soveraign Saith another pathetick and compassionate messenger of Jesus Christ M. Case a staining our Land with innocent blood and notorious scand●lizing the Protestant Religion say many of the Subscri●●● but to answer First This serious and faithfull representation of the judgement of Ministers of the Gospel within the Province of London doe not so much as intimate that the life of a King is in any case to be taken away but rather that the Lords Anointed at no hand must be touched and the truth is it is to be feared that this Doctrine preached by men of this Tribe was one of the great causes both of the Kings wicked and tyranni●ll government and so by consequence of his death and destruction so that if the King be murthered the Clergy of this Kingdome have murthered him one part of them being the cause of
and faithfull in the prosecution of your judgemen● i● general touching your own interest power and preferment we have reason enough to believe but how shall wee know when you are serious and faithfull in the REPRESENTATION of your judgement in any particular for we shall anon minde you of a represen●ation of your judgements and that by your s●lves as far differing from this as light i● from darknesse and yea from nay and we had as much and more ●eason to believe your seriousnesse and faithfulnesse in that representation of your judgements then in this the right eye whereof 〈…〉 darkened and the right hand so withered that there is ●arc● the least glimmering or motion of light or arguments ●or your judgement represented in all your letter and did not a ●resumptuous opinion swell in your mindes that your very ●●mes titles and presumed vocation viz. Ministers of the ●ospell Embassadours of Jesus Christ would challenge a ●uddaine entertainement of what ever you represent asking no question for conscience sake and that the rhetoricke of the bramble should silence the Vine and all the tree● of the Forrest you know our meaning you would never presen● the world with such a vaine poore ba●ron empty nothing for satisfaction in so great and weighty a cause as this which you c●ll A serious and faithfull representation of the judgements of Ministers of the Gospell within c. Your Letter stands though faintly upon four feet 1. The occasions of your writing it 2. The mattere criminall contained therein charged upon the Generall and Councel of Warre 3. The grounds and reasons of your charge proving the same 4. Your Ministerial advice and councel thereupon That they are all so feeble as not able to beare up your presumed authority thereof in the judgments of rational and ●●partial Readers wil quickly appear for First for the occasions of it which were First The severall applications as well by writing as verb●●ll messages inviting the Ministers of London or some of them 〈◊〉 meete with the Officers of the Army in their consultations 〈◊〉 matters of Religion page 1. 2. The refusall of these Ministers of Jesus Christ so invited 3. The reasons of this refusall From the first of these may wee not behold as on the one hand the Christian candor ingenuity and condiscention of the General and Councel of Warre forgetting the many false notorious and publique slanders of these men cast upon them from their pens and Pulpits from day to day endeavouring if it were possible to defile and be-spatter that garment of honour which God put upon them that they should apply themselves nay make several applications of themselves unto them send to them and write to them c. So on the other hand the domineering Lordly and Prelatical pride of these un-Christ-like Ministers of Jesus Christ that would not vouchsafe such a condiscention as to give them a meeting surely that Papal unction which was by the spirit from beneath powred forth upon the heads of the Popes of old time pussing up their minds to that measure of pride arrogancy and supercilliousnesse as Kings and Princes with their Wives and Children must gladly even with their hare feet attend their Holinesses pleasure day after day before their admission hath plentifully extended to the skirts of their cloathing these servi servorum dei these Ministers of the Gospel these zealous and hot disput●●● against the errours heresies and blasphemies of the Army cannot be prevailed withall by severall applications by writing by verball messages to advise counsell and direct them in matters of the greatest concernment to the whole Nation to prevent the subject-matter of their daily Pulpit-invectives against them from the power of tyranny and the pride of the Clargy 〈◊〉 nos Domine they can lift up their voyces like a Trumpet In most scandalon● accusations slanderous defa●●ations and bitter invectives allarming people against them but cannot he prevailed withall no not by severall applications of severall kinds to advise and consult to direct or instruct in the greatest matters concerning the good or evill saving or loosing the whole Nation is this while you have opportunity to doe good to all and is this is vindication of your Ministeriall function wherein you so often glory We Ministers of the Gospel within the Province of London hold it our duty as then to refuse any such meeting as was proposed so now to give your Lordship and Councell the reasons of that refusail lest by our silence we should seeme to be wanting in that ingenuity and candor which becomes all but especially the Ministers of Jesus Christ c. Wee Ministers of Jesus Christ within the Province of London what are the signes and tokens proving the same your ingenuity and candor which becomes the Ministers of Jesus Christ excellent a testimony whereof you give by all your carriages as to all men that observe your foot-steps so especially First To the Army calling them in your Pulpits a rebellious Army a generation of vipers a viprou● brood an oppressing Army an Army of Hereticks a Schismaticall Army an Army whose lives are not worth a prayer and whose deaths are not worth a teare an Army though conque●ing yet they were not fit nor worthy to conquer that wee had been better without those great victories then to have them by such hands Admirable ingenuity unparallel'd candor such ingenuity and candor appearing in Mr. Canton Mr. Cranford Mr. Case Mr. Love Mr. Jenkins Mr. Tailor and some others which did never appear in Peter James or John yea nor even in Jesus Christ himselfe Secondly Your ingenuity and candor further appeares by your submissive and Christian respects to authority especially the Parliament and as at all times so chiefly when they contend not though with the ruine of all for your greatnesse and interest then your Ministerial ingenuity and candor doe appear in all their glory calling them while they delay your work an apostatizing Parliament a Covenant-breaking Parliament a Parliament at whose doors may be laid all the errors heresies and blasphemies of the times a Parliament that hath wrought a great Reformation amongst us in Church State taking away High-commission Court Star-chamber Councel Table c. and bringing in the room thereof several Committees whose little fingers in way of oppression were heavier then the loins of the former Courts a Parliament suppressing Popery Ceremonies Crucifixes Crosses Service-book c. and in the roome thereof giving liberty of Conscience otherwise called a cursed tolleration of errours heresies blasphemies and all manner of licentiousnesse a Parliament that hath taken away Ship-money coat and conduct-money monopolies c. and in the roome thereof bringing in taxes assesments free-quarters and the heavy burthen and bondage of Excize which neither wee nor our Fathers were ever able to beare Is not this excellent Provinciall ingenuity and candor which further dazles mens eyes and therefore In the third place for the same of your ingenuity and
Province of London Doe you begin conti●●● and conclude with such ample testimonie of your ingenuity 〈◊〉 candor Had you been as ingenuous and candid as you would seeme to be you would have said Nicholas Profet Minister of the Word at Fosters alias at Marlborough in Sommerset-shire if I be not deceived and Stanly Gowre Minister as Martins Ludgate alias Pastor of Dorchester in Dorcet-shire if I be not deceived you would have written John Hulke Preacher at Alhallows upon the wall immediately after Andrew Janeway Pastor of the same place and not put downe 27. betweene that the Reader may presume so many distinct Parishes as you place Ministers and have told us whether this wa● that Hu● of Essex which was sequestred yea or no and in the Title of your Vindication you would not have put in that particle of universality A vindication of THE Ministers of the Gospel is and about London fetching such a circumference and bringing in not a third part of the 〈◊〉 of the same 〈◊〉 and in the subscription of the same Vindication you would not have gone so far as Walsingham in the Bishoprick of 〈◊〉 for 〈◊〉 Devere●x and palliate the same by calling him late Minister at Andrews Holborne Neither would you have stain'd your reputation with the mention of Thomas 〈◊〉 Pastor of Mar●ins-Outwich carryed from ●lym●●th for his notrious D●l●nquency and worth●ly sequestred for the same 〈◊〉 no more now if possible of your ingenuity and 〈◊〉 you proceede to matter of charge against the Army page 3. It is 〈…〉 known what attempts of late 〈…〉 practice against lawfull Authority especially by your late 〈…〉 and 〈◊〉 published in opposition to the pr●ceedings of 〈…〉 ● also by se●zing and impris●ning the Kings Person without the knowledge and consent of Parliament and by that 〈…〉 offered to the Members of it many of whe●● are 〈◊〉 to us to bee man of 〈◊〉 worth and integrity c It hath beene already sufficiently replyed by way of answer to the paper of the Armies Proposals of the sixth of December last in severall other expresse● from the Army viz. in a Remonstrance come forth after those Proposals a Declaration after that Remonstrance a● 〈◊〉 Answer of the generall Councell of Officers of the Army to the Demands of the Hono●rable the Commons of England all which containe the grounds reasons of those ●●tempts of late put in practise by the Army against lawfull authority c. But you have got the ar● of stopping your ea●● like dea●e Adder● vid. The humble answer of the general councell to the demands of the Commons of England touching the securing secluding some Members p. 2. to any argument of satisfaction and still to insist upon the Armies proceeding● against the Members which themselves doe acknowledge simply considered irregular and not justifiable but by honest ●●●●tions for publique good and an extraordinary necessity for the same end ●●ding them thereunto And though your eares have beene often heaten with reasons vindicating such a necessity whereunto you have been● mute yet doe you your selves judge whether in case either by the artifice of the King and his wicked party malignant 〈◊〉 bars should be brought into the House or those that were formerly against the King because their interest and his were inconsistent should having received satisfaction in that point make their owne advantages in a corrupt closure with the King endeavouring to bring him in upon his own terms without satisfaction or security to the Kingdome as they did upon his owne Message of the 12. of May 1647. and presently to diaband the Army protecting the 11. Members impeached of Treason endeavouring with them to raise a ne● Warre listing Reformadoes altering the Militia of London imb●zeling the 200000. pound appointed for the relief of Ireland in such endeavours countenancing abetting and partaking with that tumultuous violence of the Apprentic●● and others against both Houses of Parliament driving awa● the Speakers and many faithfull Members August 1647 setting up a new Speaker giving large power and passing divers Ordinances for the raising of a new Warre arming Malignants stirring up the City authorizing Massi● and others all in prosecution of the treasonable Engagement of bringing in the King upon his own termes and all this blasted through the grace of God by the courage constancy and faithfulness● of this your great eye-sore Army Then againe trying a new feate viz. contriving promoting and assisting tumultuous Petitioners for a Personall Treaty corresponding with the rebellious insurrections in Kent Essex c. The revolted ships Prince of Wales the Scots Army invading this Kingdome that so the Army may be shattered into severall dispersions precipitating thereby the Kingdome again into a new bloody and fierce Warre hazarding the cause of all the former troubles and a totall conquest of the whole Kingdome during which second War many of the faithfull Members being employed abroad others discouraged through malignant tumults about the City to forbeare their attendance these Members formerly impeached and voted Tra●tors were recalled and others that were elected in their roome cast out of the House Votes for no further Addresses to the King recalled and made void voted to treate with the King upon such Propositions as himself should make exempt from Justice the capitall Leaders in the last Summers Wars by an hypocriticall voting many of them to be banis●t fin●ng the rest c. resolving the Kings re●ran●ation with freedom● safety and honour I say doe you your selves judge whether all these things with many more being true they were not necessitated to doe that which you call putting attempts in practice against lawfull Authority viz. seizing those Members although many whereof were knowne to you though to few else but Malignant● and men of your interest to be men of emminent worth and integrity Suppose the Army who are bound by their Commissions by their Oaths Protestations Vowes and Covenants by all the interest peace and liberties of the Kingdome to bring Delinquents to con●igne punishment should finde their grand Enemies against whom they formerly did engage in open Field in the House or that those in the House formerly faithfull as Hotham and many others were turn'd as had as base as malignant a● Hotham did prove and every way the same with Malignants ●hould they let them alone because sitting in the House I● i●●awfull to kill and destroy them if they goe about to destroy 〈◊〉 in the Field and not so much as interrupt them though they should enslave us ruine and destroy us by a law And againe whereas you speake so much of 〈◊〉 authority and fill the ear●● of your Auditors from you● Pulpits from day to day with rebellizing the Army for their late proceedings against the Members mustering up these Scriptures teaching and pressing duty to authority which the Prelaticall party did formerly use against you Prov. 24. 21. Ti●●s 3. 1. Rom. 13. 1 2. as that of Solomon P●a●e thou God and
whose prosperity some of ●id so earnestly pray unto God 〈◊〉 your Pulpits and some part 〈◊〉 the Army of England though under many disadvantages was about to engage against them prayer being solemnly ●ade unto God by the Commander in Chiefe * I. Gen. Cromwell impor●●●ing ●od that for as much as both parties did pretend unto the Covenant that they did refer themselves unto the Lord and ●egg'd from heaven to give sentence between them Doubt●esse either such pr●yers are vaine or God doth use to 〈◊〉 ●nd to inform us of his mind by answering herein so here when you have endeavoured to curse the Army from Parish to Parish and from Pulpit to Pulpit to sti●re up the City and Countrey to joyne with Malignants and Royallists against the Army assuring your party that God will breake them and rend them And another party of Ministers pray for them from Pulpit to Pulpit from place to place enconr●●ing them not to feare for God will be with them d●●htlesse the successe is very declara●●ve touching the will of God herein and especially In the second place when those success●● are carryed on from time to time in an uniform manner the Lord giving severall years successe upon their severall appeal unto him and yet more In the third place wh●n the glorious Majesty power and presence of God doth appeare after such appeales made unto God when the Lord doth as it were send the Ang●ll of his presence to save his people being few and the Angel of his fury to make the Armies the great and mighty hosts of the Enemie to flie and scatter as dust before the face of the winde when hee makes one to chaseten and two to put a hundred to flight when he breakes the heavens and comes down making the mountaines to flow downe at his presence when hee shall with alsmal inconsiderable Army of about 16000 men scattered and divided in severall dispersions East West North and South to destroy neare a hundred thousand men in armes as if the Scots Army the Welch Army the Kentish Army the Essex Army were considered it would appear besides the City and Ships all engaged yea and should take away the hearts and spirits of their Enemies and make the proud high and lofty thoughts of their adversaries to tremble Certainly such kinde of successes wherein God doth appear in the very majesty of his power and presence cannot but be very convincing touching the truth of their cause and you above all others who should rather exhort Malignants Royallists and the enemies of the peace and liberties of the Kingdome in generall and the people of God in speciall to give glory to God to cause the high praises of God to be in their l●ps who hath pul'd downe the mighty from their seate and raised up the poore out of the dust that he may set him with Prin●ces even the Princes of his people That the loftinesse of man is bowed downe and the haughtinesse of men is bowed downe and the Lord alone is exalted in the worke I appeale unto all your consciences whether God did ever appear since the comming of Christ in more visible characters prints of his foot steps then in bringing downe that proud Nimrod and in executing vengea●ce upon that hardned Pharaoh who did yet more and more harden his heart against all the wonderful appearances of God against him and would not bow and bend and subject himselfe unto the God of Israel Nay I appeal yet unto you whether the millions of prayers and teares that have been powred forth u●to God by his faithfull servants in publique and in private in Churches and in chambers did not beget a faithfull expectation that God would make him exemplary in mercy or judgement returning those prayers either upon his heart or head And I appeale likewise unto you whether he hath not answered such expectations accordingly causing him at such a time in such a manner to be brought to cond●gn punishment as was beyond all the expectations either of his friends or enemies the like n●ver known in our Nation And I appeal further unto you whether you doe not think in your consc●ences or have not sufficient reason so to doe that if ever he had come unto his Throne again he would not have made as great havocke of godly men whether Presbyteria● Independent or what ever else as Nero himselfe hath done and whether you would not have been driven into your old corners chamber● and closets and there teare him to pieces with your prayers is it not then to be lamented that you shou'd you above all others cast a blinde before mens eyes and hide the glorious presence and appearances of God evidenced by those great and most stupendious successes vouchsafed unto the Army in bringing that man of blood unto judgement The next thing you anticipate the Army is that they pla●●● not their justification of their present actings from impulses of spirit ●orpretended impressions on their hearts without or against the rule of Gods written word Page 13. of your Letter putting them to consider whether any history sacred or profane recordeth any example of an impulse of sp●rit falling upon multitudes of p●rsons at the same time putting them all at once upon perform●nces contrary to morall precepts c. It may be demanded of you who call your selves the Ministers of God and Embassadors of Jesus Christ and who wou●d be looked upon as guided by the Spirit of God and speaking in your Pulpits as he gives you utterance whether any history sacred or profane recordeth any example of the true spirit of God falling upon a great company of the faithfull Embassadours and true Ministers of Jesus Christ putting them all at once upon performances contrary to morall precepts and principles making them violate the rules of civility and honesty speake and write most notorious scandalous and known falsities when another part of the Ministers of Jesus Christ doe speak and write directly contrary unto ●he former This spirit that hath made you abuse the Army by casting filthy reproaches upon them and the Parliament by scandalizing the highest act of Justice that ever was performed in this Land calling it sedition rebellion murther staining the Land with the blood of their Soveraign I believe came not from above neither had it any higher ascent then the aire or an upper roome in Sion-Colledge from whence the City and Countrey-Ministers capable of the impression receive an impulse of spirit to speake and write as it were with one month and penne as that spirit of errour and scandall gives them utterance that the holy spirit of God makes no impressio●s upon the hearts of m●n without and against the word of God putting them upon performances contrary to morall precepes cannot be denyed but that there are such pretences either in the Army to whom you write or the Parliament or high Court of Justice who are alike concern'nd in what you say for doing such things