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A91667 A reply to the House of Commons. Or rather to an impostor, giving answer in their names to the Londoners petition, presented to the said honourable House. Sept. 11. 1648. 1648 (1648) Wing R1075; Thomason E470_6; ESTC R205525 11,724 15

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A REPLY To the House of COMMONS Or rather to an IMPOSTOR Giving answer in their Names to the LONDONERS PETITION presented to the said Honourable House Sept. 11. 1648. LONDON Printed for William Larnar at the signe of the Black-moor within Bishopsgate 1648. A REPLY To the House of COMMONS OVr being continual losers and sufferers by the War is an Argument sufficient that we are for Peace since war in it self is of all humane things the most unwelcom except to such as blinded with the honour or commodity it brings them and well secured by others from the dint and danger thereof care not how long the Tempest lasts since what is cast out of the ship is received into the gulph of their Ambition and Avarice And as we have bin continual losers and sufferers so do we not admit any hopes to make up our fortunes or enrich our selves by the prolongation of the war but propose as we ever did to get our livings by our Trades and honest Industry and esteem a good Peace the Crown of our earthly happiness A good Peace we say for we are not so in love with it as to wish it upon any terms in a Dungeon in the Galleys under the most insufferable Tyrannie there may be peace but we would willingly that that we are in expectation of may be linkt with such a measure of just Freedom as should make some recompense for the former war that it should likewise be lasting which it cannot be unless it be sound And that it may be so we presented our Petition to the House of Commons containing such things as are not of any particular behoof to our selves as such or such a people but of a diffusive and common concernment importing an universal good to every honest man And truly we will not count it our boasting because it is but our duty in these self-seeking daies especially to manifest a greater measure of self-denyal Hence do we in our publike motions as we ought bear both in the heart and front of them a communicative happiness of which the greatest the meanest may partake And though the establishment of those things we desire may haply dis-relish the sickly appetites of lordly and avaritious men yet we are well assured that even such upon a settl ment would quickly find that they have bin mistaken in their way to felicity and that it is much more easily attainable and will prove less disturbed and more lasting by these expedients that we propose than any that we have yet seen For the scruples and objections which are raised against our Petition in the name of the House of Commons which had bin proper enough if the pretended one at Oxford had bin now sitting we will reduce the weight and material circumstances thereof to certain heads which if we can cleer we question not but the whole frame and fabrick of that answer will fall to the ground First therefore Concerning the Kings Supremacy over the House of Commons We yeild that the stile of many of our Laws the traditional exercise and belief thereof are strong on your part and from hence certainly many of you Royalists we mean were perswaded even to your very great prejudice to assist him in its vindication and the Parliament likewise and their Adherents though excessively abused and trampled upon by him did timorously and but faintly engage themselves against him so that at first the superstition being strong and our understandings mis-guided with the delusions of above 500. yeers practise upon us every King making it his business not only by power but by Law and Parliament to rivet the opinion of his Prerogative and Supremacy in our hearts and having all the advantages that could be thought upon to accomplish the same as the Scholers to preach it and mix it even with the most sacred mysteries the Lawyers to plead it the Officers and Power of the Kingdom to support it the custody of all Records of the embezelment whereof every Age hath complained the Licensing of Books whereby nothing but what made for it had publike view and a thousand more particular advantages that might be recited all which considered we say it is no wonder if at first both Parliament and People looked upon the King as Recusants upon the Pope on whom the superstition is not more strong for we esteemed him a thing Sacred Inviolable as the Breath of our Nostrils the Apple of our eies in all causes and over all Persons next and immediate under God Supreme Head and Governour Gods Vicegerent accountable only to him and thereupon declared the war for him Then were we likewise entangled with our oaths that slylie and politickly were at first insinuated and have bin since customarily and Traditionally taken without regard to the end or suspect of the designe in imposing them which was purposely to ensnare the weak and bind us to the adoration of an Image our fancies and follies have erected But when we came to consider the fre●ness of the times administring means and matter thereunto and good men dayly writing for our Information the King on the one side persisting in his Tyranny and endeavouring by force of Arms to establish that power we had so smarted under before the Parliament Hereupon by degrees the clouds vanisht the mists of error and deception began to scatter and the shine of Truth to appear the eys of both Parliament and People began to open and though at first when the Parliament at Oxford was mixt with the Parliament at Westminster we professed absolutely and without conditions in May 1641. to defend the Kings person yet afterwards in the Vow that absurditie was omitted and in the Covenant the condition was wisely inserted in the defence of true Religion the Lawes and Liberties of England And not only so but in time the Parliament altered their Commissions that to our present renowned General making no mention of the defence of the Kings persons Afterward in their last message to him at Oxford they charge him with the guilt of all the blood that has bin shed in this War and tell him that before they treat with him he must make satisfaction to the Kingdom calling it in their Declaration of the 11 of February 1647. a destructive Maxime or Principle viz. That he oweth an account of his actions to none but God alone and voting no more addresses to him but that they will of themselves settle the present Government so as may best stand with the Peace and Happinesse of the Kingdom So that we hope according to your own rule you will not preferre those unripe expressions that at first past from the Parliament before those that after long debates and the wisdom of much experience did maturely proceed from them The Kings Supremacy was at first believed because not considered as Turkish children beleeve the divinitie of Mahomet because bred up to it but good Sir Let it be convased a little To make it good the King must