the Commissioners be COMPETENT that is if they be spiritual men they may proceed to Sentence of Excommunication which may right well be Certify'd as well as Excommunication before Commissioners Delegates both of these Authorities being under the Great Seal c. And Excommunication certify'd ly Commissioners Del gates hath been allowed as it appeareth in 23. Eliz. Dyer 371. And in many Cases Acts of Parliament have adjudged men Excommunicate ipso facto But if they be meer Lay-men the fault is not in the Statute or in the Law but in the Nomination and upon Certificate made of the Excommunication according to Law a Significavit or Cap. Excom shall be awarded out of the Chancery for the taking and imprisoning the Bodies of such Excommunicate Persons But had his Lordship as I said in the Case of the other Author consider'd how by the Statute of 37. H. 8. it was declared that by Holy Scripture all Authority and Power is given to His Majesty and to all such Persons as he shall appoint to hear and determine all manner of Causes Ecclesiastical and to correct Uice and Sin whatsoever he would not I believe have thought Lay-men incompetent or incapable Persons so to have acted in the high Commission or Delegacy or have said there was any fault in the Nomination of Lay-men And yet you see my Lord Coke shews you how the Government then acquiesced in such Nomination and assisted the execution of the Sentences given by such as he thought incompetent Nor are we therefore to wonder at what Mr. Bagshaw mentions of the Civilians in the House of Commons not objecting that the King had done contrary to an Act of Parliament in taking from Bishops Chancellors and Officials the Power of exercising Church Censures given them by the Act and which by the Power declared in that Act to be given him by Holy Scriptures he might have either continued to them or abridged or taken away the exercise thereof from them if he had pleas'd And considering that the Lex Scandali doth equally oblige Kings as well as Subjects in Point of Conscience it is not to be wonder'd that that Tender-conscienced King did in that Conjuncture think himself obliged so equitably to make his Interpretation of that Statute as in complaisance with some of his Subjects who had took offence at Lay-Chancellors Power of Excommunicating to disable them to it I told you before how that Pious Prince did in complaisance with the Fathers of our Church think himself obliged to exercise his Regal Power of interpreting or declaring and when in A. 1637. he issued out his Proclamation Declaring that the Bishops holding their Courts and issuing Process in their own Names were not against the Laws of the Realm and that the Iudges resolutions were notify'd therein to that purpose and that the ferment about that Point was setled and the Bishops issuing out their Processes was setled too the which Proclamation too you will find Mr. Bagshaw mentions in his second Argument where p. 40. he tells you of the Bishop's having procured a Proclamation A. 1637. declaring the Opinions of the Iudges that the Statute of 1 o Edw. 6. c. 2. is repeal'd and of no force at this day and that Bishops may keep Courts in their own Names And I shall now tell you that as in the year 1637. the Bishops were in so full and peaceable possession of their Privilege of issuing out of their Processes in their own names by means of what His Majesty had declared pursuant to the Resolutions unanimously given by all the Iudges and the Barons of the Exchequer and of which Sir E. Coke saith Inst. 2. that they are for Matters of Law of highest Authority next to the Court of Parliament so by Iudgment of Parliament the settlement of that Controversie by virtue of His Majesty's Declarative Power so exercised was afterward approved A. That is a thing I would gladly hear of for one would think that the exercise of the Regal Power of Declaring or Interpreting what relates to an Act of Parliament might occasionally heighten a ferment in stead of abating it B. You will find little or no cause if you consult our ancient English Story and there see how the mutual Confidence between King and People hath in several Ages supported the Government to fancy that Declaratory Proclamations relating to Acts of Parliament did make any ferment The Interpretation of the Statutes hath in all Causes between Party and Party and wherein meum and tuum and Property are concern'd been by ancient usage under our Kings still left to the Iudges and the Proclamations of our Princes on great emergent occasions in the State declaring or interpreting their Laws pursuant to the Supreme Power committed to them by God for the good of their People hath still been observ'd to tend both to the good of the People and the Laws too If you will look on all the Declaratory Proclamations in the Reigns of Queen Elizabeth and King Iames of which you have a Collection you will I believe find none but what were acceptable among all their Loyal Subjects But as to this Declaratory Proclamation of King Charles the First before-mention'd you will find it as I told you approved in Parliament And if you will please to consult in your Statute-Book the Act of 13 o Car. 2. c. 12. of which the title is Explanation of a Clause contain'd in an Act of Parliament made in the 17th year of the late King Charles Entituled an Act for repeal of a branch of a Statute 1 o Elizabethae Concerning Commissioners for Causes Ecclesiastical you will there find that this Act of the late King 's loyal long Parliament viz. 13 o Car. 2. hath in it three Proviso's The first is concerning the High Commission-Court the second Proviso is concerning the taking away the Oath ex officio And the third Proviso is to limit and confine the Power of Ecclesiastical Judges in all their Proceedings to what WAS and by Law might be used before the year 1639 which plainly includes allows and approves King Charles the First 's Proclamation in the year 1637. In the time of a former disloyal long Parliament the Regal Power of Interpreting or declaring was by them represented as a Gravamen and while yet they usurp'd that Power themselves If you will look on the Declaration of the Lords and Commons in Husband's Collections p. 686. you will there find they say It is high time for the whole Kingdom now to understand that His Majesty's Authority is more in his Courts without his Person then in his Person without his Courts when the Power of DECLARING Law shall be deny'd to the whole Court of Parliament in particular Causes before them for we have claim'd it we have exercised it no otherwise to be obligatory as a judicial Declaration of the Law and shall be attributed to His Majesty to do it in general by his Proclamation without relation to a particular Case and
that can or may in any wise be objected against the same c. it follows That all Acts and things heretofore had made or done by any Person about any Consecration Confirmation or Investing of any Person elected to the Office or Dignity of any Archbishop or Bishop c. by Uirtue of the Queens Majesty's Letters Patents or Commission c. be and shall be by Authority of this present Parliament declared judged and deemed at and from every of the several times of the doing thereof good and perfect to all respects and purposes any matter or thing that can or may be objected to the contrary thereof in any wise notwithstanding Sir E. Cook in the 4th part of his Iustitutes c. 74. viz. Of Ecclesiastical Courts takes notice how our adversaries had made objections against our Archbishops and Bishops consecrated about the beginning of the reign of Queen Eliz. and consequently against the Bishops ever since That they were never consecrated according to law because they had not three Bishops at least at their Consecration and never a Bishop at all as was pretended because they being Bishops in the reign of Edward the 6th were deprived in the reign of Queen Mary and were not as was pretended restored before their presence at the Consecration These pretences being but Cavils are answer'd by the Statute of 8 o Eliz. c. 1. and provision made by authority of that Parliament for the establishing of Archbishops and Bishops both in proesenti and in futuro in their Bishopricks But Mason in his 3d Book c. 7th De ministerio Anglicano in his answering the objection hath recourse to the Queens Patents referr'd to by the Statute of 8 o Eliz. and having mention'd the Queen's dispensing by her supreme authority cum quavis causâ aut suspicione câ—…jusvis DEFECTUS aut INABILITATIS quoe quovis modo contra eorum consecrationem obtendi poterat he saith verba in diplomate Regio sic se habent supplentes nihilominus suprema authoritate nostra Regia ex mero motu certa scientia nostris si quid in hiis quae juxta mandatum nostrum per vos fient aut in vobis aut vestrum aliquo conditione statu aut facultate vestris ad praemissa perficienda desit aut deerit eorum quae per statuta hujus Regni aut per leges ecclesiasticas in hac parte requiruntur aut necessaria sunt temporis ratione aut rerum necessitate sic postulante and then adds unde serenissima Regina ut omnem calumniandi ansam proecidere ipsique invidioeos obstruere posset c. DISPENSARE dignata est siquid forte Lynceis oculis invidia alicujus statuti vel canonis violati proetextu possit obtendere And then having brought in his Popish opponents objection Hem quid audio Vos Pâ—…ntificis maximi Dispensationes dente canino soletis arrodere jam nihil pudet in Actis Parliamentariis laicali magistratui Reginoe foeminoe dispensandi facultatem transcribere Dispensandi inquam cum quavis causâ aut suspicione ullius defectus aut INABILITATIS quoe incidere poterant idque in sacris ordinibus he makes this reply viz. Papa aliquando dispensat nimium papaliter sed non perinde Elizabetha Suas tantum leges RELAXAVIT Cum transgressionibus contra leges suas DISPENSAVIT Quod Deus fixit nunquam refigere aut rescindere est molita And there afterward to the objection si dicatur Reginam sufficientem dispensandi cum illis potestatem habuisse proferatur aliquod illius potestatis fundamentum â—…i non ex scripturâ sacrâ saltem ex Conciliis aut patribus aut uno aliquo approbato exemplo in toto mille quingentorum annorum curricuâ—…o the reply is Nonne Principis est legum suarum râ—…gorem res ubi postulat emollire Non magno opinor opus est mâ—…limine ad hoc probandum and as to what was objected against a Prince's dispensing with an ecclesiastical Canon he saith Canonum quatenus sunt leges Principis ecclesiasticoe summum jus rigorem duritiem moderari spectat ad officium principis And then he judiciously confutes Sanders his reproaching our Bishops in his book of Schism with the term of Parliamentarii episcopi and he referrs to the words in the Statute of 8 o Eliz. that I have mention'd to you and saith of them Omnino liquido ostendunt Comitia Parliamentaria non consecrasse ordinasse vel constituisse episcopos aut ministros sed jam secundum leges ecclesioe LEGITIME Consecraâ—…os ritè ordinatos ac Constitutos pro talibus habendos esse DECLARASSE c. And so I doubt not but you mind the words in that Act relating to the Queen's Letters Patents viz. shall be by authority of the Parliament not made good for they were so before but declared judged and deem'd good A. I apprehend you B. But to return to the Consideration of what you are on the whole matter obliged to by virtue of the Oath of Supremacy in the Case now before you and herein I find that by Virtue of the Queens interpretation of that Oath and the Parliaments Approbation thereof that when in the Assertory part of the Oath you do utterly testify and declare in your Conscience that the King's Highness is the only Supreme Governor of this Realm as well in all Spiritual or Ecclesiastical things or Causes as Temporal you have as in the Presence of God solemnly given your cordial Assent to and made your most Religious acknowledgment that the SOLE Supreme Government or Soveraignty and Rule under God over all manner of Persons born within these Realms is in the King and you are obliged to judge that tho the Oath speaks of all Spiritual or Ecclesiastical THINGS or Causes and the interpretation of all manner of Persons of what Estate either Ecclesiastical or Temporal soever they be yet there is no inconsistence between the Oath and the Interpretation for that as a Learned man in his Comment on that Oath hath well observ'd there is no Opposition between these two Persons and Causes the Principal object of a Law is a Person and a Person with respect to his Actions a Person morally Consider'd and he there quotes Suarez de Legibus l. 1. c. 8. saying Ad leges per se requiritur potestas in personam secundario in Res alias and for that the Assertory clause in the Oath declaring the King the only Supreme Governor of this Realm doth necessarily imply his being the only Supreme Governor of all Persons in it A. But perhaps you did not take notice that probably one reason why Queen Elizabeth was willing that her Interpretation that related to the Assertory part of the Oath I mean as to her Power over all the Persons of her Subjects and which was Publish'd in the Admonition after her Injunctions should in the aforesaid Act in the 5th year of her Reign be approved in Parliament might be to satisfie the scrupulousness of some mens Tender
ever was who setting his feet on two of Gods Kingdoms the one upon the Sea the other upon the Earth lifting up his hand to Heaven as you are to do this day and so Swearing Rev. 10. c. and consider how he there makes this Oath to be the most effectual means for the ruining Popery and Prelacy and leaves it to be consider'd whether seeing the preservation of Popery hath been by Leagues and Covenants God may not make a League and Covenant to be its Destruction after he had before-mention'd the Associations of the Religious Orders and Fraternities and the Combination by the la Sainte Ligue for the muniting of Popery as incentives to this League and how he doth again go to the Magazine of the Apocalypse for some Weapons for this Covenant and hath other artillery for it from the Iewish State citing the words of the Prophet Let us joyn our selves to the Lord in a perpetual Covenant that shall not be forgotten how according to the ratio nominis of Superstition viz. of mens over-importunate Prayers that their Children might out-live them he concludes with a devout Prayer that this Covenant may out-live their Childrens Children and let any one behold in Mr. Henderson's Speech the like flame of Enthusiastick Zeal or of the Superstition quam vulgo bonam intentionem vocant against Superstition and Idolatry in Worship c. and concluding it with his belief that the weight of that Covenant would cast the balance in our English Wars I say let any one consider all this and tell me if ever he saw a more pompous Scene of Superstition and more magnificent Procession bestow'd on it and contrived as Bishop Sanderson's words are in his Lecture De bonâ intentione and having his eye on that Covenant viz. Obtentu gloriae Dei reformandae Religionis propagandi Evangelii extirpandae superstitionis exaltandi regni Domini nostri Iesu Christi and if ever he saw what the Bishop in that Lecture calls The Iesuites Theology viz. Omnia metiri ex Commodo Sanctae matris Ecclesiae more strongly asserted then in the Contexture and Imposition of that Covenant But those two Divines lived to recover their Allegiance and a due sense of their Oaths for it and to see that foetus of their Brain that at its solemn Christning they wish'd immortality to renounced publickly as a spurious Birth and to the Scandal of that Age a race of other Oaths in England as infamously born intercept its inheritance Nay let me tell you that in the Nation of Scotland Loyalty hath been a growing Plant of Renown since the year 1660. and the Idol of their former Covenanted Presbytery been by the Loyal Nobility and Gentry and Populace there generally abhorr'd And tho Sir George Wharton in his Gesta Britannorum relates it as a strange thing that on the 21st of August A. 1663. the Parliament of Scotland Passâ—…d an Act for a National Synod the first that ever was in that Kingdom under the Government of Bishops yet I can tell you of an Act of Parliament that pass'd there afterward that declared the right of the Crown to dispense in the external Government of the Church I shall entertain you with it out of the Scotch Statutes viz. In the first Session of the Second Parliament of King Charles the Second there pass'd an Act asserting His Majesty s Supremacy over all Persons and in all Causes Ecclesiastical Edenburgh November 16 th 1669. THe Estates of Parliament having seriously considered how necessary it is for the Good and Peace of the Church and State That His Majesty's Power and Authority in relation to Matters and Persons Ecclesiastical be more clearly asserted by an Act of Parliament Have therefore thought fit it be Enacted Asserted and Declared Like as his Majesty with Advice and Consent of his Estates of Parliament doth hereby Enact Assert and Declare That his Majesty hath the Supreme Authority and Supremacy over all Persons and in all Causes Ecclesiastical within this his Kingdom and that by virtue thereof the Ordering and Disposal of the External Government and Policy of the Church doth properly belong to his Majesty and his Successors as an inherent Right to the Crown And that his Majesty and his Successors may Setle Enact and Emit such Constitutions Acts and Orders concerning the Administration of the External Government of the Church and the Persons employed in the same and concerning all Ecclesiastical Meetings and Matters to be proposed and determined therein as they in their Royal Wisdom shall think fit Which Acts Orders and Constitutions being recorded in the Books of Councel and duly published are to be observed and obeyed by all his Majesty's Subjects any Law Act or Custom to the contrary notwithstanding Like as his Majesty with Advice and Consent aforesaid doth Rescind and Annul all Laws Acts and Clauses thereof and all Customs and Constitutions Civil or Ecclesiastick which are contrary to or inconsistent with his Majesty's Supremacy as it is hereby asserted and declares the same void and null in all time coming A. You told me before how the King dispens'd with the five Articles of Perth setled by Act of Parliament but this Act yields so great a territory to the Dispensative Power that my thoughts cannot suddenly travel through it It acknowledgeth in the Crown a more sublime Power then of dispensing with Presbyterians or Independents or of suspending the Penal Laws against them namely of abolishing Episcopacy and of making Presbytery or Independency the National Church-Government Car tel est notre plaisir now for the external Form of Church-Government is allow'd to make the Pattern in the Mount. And 〈◊〉 accordingly as Mr. Baxter in his Book call'd a Search for the Schismaticks represents Archbishop Bramhal's new way of asserting the Church of England in his Book against him 1. To abhor Popery 2. That we all come under a foreign spiritual Iurisdiction obeying the Pope as the Western Patriarch and also as the Principium Unitatis to the Universal Church governing by the Canons c. may not the King by this Act make the external Government of the Church of Scotland Patriarchal and the Pope Patriarch B. The Act needs no Comment and if you will tell me that the Scots shew'd themselves Erastians or Latitudinarians when they made it I shall acquaint you that that Archbishop in his Schism guarded p. 319. asserts That a Sovereign Prince hath Power within his own Dominions for the Publick good to change any thing in the external Regiment of the Church which is not of divâ—…ne Institution and that he had in p. 4. of that Book allow'd the Pope his Principium unitatis and his Preheminence among Patriarchs as S. Peter had among the Apostles and that in p. 78. of his Iust Vindication of the Church of England he takes notice that by the Statute of Carlisle made in the days of Edward the First it was declared That the Holy Church of England was founded in the
Consciences and who might thereby think that according to the Rule of ejus est interpretari cujus est condere that the Oath of Supremacy enjoyn'd by Parliament 1 o Elizabethoe could not receive an Interpretation but from the Queen in Parliament and that that Consideration might therefore be supposed to be the cause of the Queens interpreting being approved or declared good by the Parliament in the Fifth year of her Reign B. I shall tell you that as to the sufficiency of the Queen's Power to interpret the Oath by her sole Authority it appears not that the Proviso in the Statute of 5 Eliz. did in the least arise from any such scruple and so De non apparentibus c. And here without troubling you with the Notions of the Royal assent creating the Soul of the Law and by the words of le Roy le veult after the Body of it hath been prepared by the three Estates and that the three Estates have nothing to do to interpret a Law that is once made and accordingly as Sir C. Hatton formerly Lord Chancellor of England in his Treatise of Acts of Parliament and their Exposition tells us That the Assembly of Parliament being ended functi sunt officio and speaking particularly of those of the Lower House saith their Authority is return'd to the Electors so clearly that if they were all together assembled again for interpretation by a voluntary meeting eorum non esset interpretari c. I shall once for all observe to you that our Monarchs when in the exercise of the Prerogative inherent in them and inseparable from them relating to Matters of Peace and War the Coining of Money or the Dispensing in Matters Civil or Ecclesiastical they condescend to have the same in particular â—…ases approved or strengthâ—…n'd by Parliament are no more deprived of their Sole Supremacy therein then the Body of the Sun is devested of its Heat and Light by diffusing the same through the Air. But I have before observ'd to you that the apparent Cause in the Proviso of 5 o Elizabethoe whereby the Queens Interpretation is Enacted is the better to transmit the obligatoriness of the Interpretation in point of Conscience beyond her Life and to the Reigns of her Heirs and Successors and to bind us who live now to acknowledge such Power due to our present King over the Persons of all his Subjects as was in her interpretation challenged to be due to Harry the Eighth and Edward the Sixth I shall not trouble you with my Judgment about Moot-points of Law relating to the Regal Power of interpreting Acts of Parliament and particularly such wherein Oaths are founded My Lord Coke Inst. 3. c. 74. tells us That an Oath cannot be ministred to any unless the same be allow'd by the Common Law or by some Act of Parliament neither can any Oath allow'd by the Common-Law or by Act of Parliament be alter'd but by Act of Parliament and saith in the Margin So resolv'd An. 26. El. in the Case of the Under-Sheriff And then saith the Oath of the King 's Privy Councel the Iustices the Sheriffs c. was thought fit to be alter'd and enlarged but that was done by Authority of Parliament For further proof whereof see the Statutes here quoted i. e. those referr'd to in his Margin and it shall evidently appear that no old Oath can be alter'd or new Oath rais'd without an Act of Parliament I have only here referr'd you to Matters of Fact in the Reign of Queen Elizabeth a Reign that the Royal Martyr in p. 3. of his Declaration to all his Loving Subjects of Aug. 12. 1642. refers to with so much honour by saying We declared our Resolution c. and desired that whatsoever mistaking had grown in the Government either of Church or State might be removed and all things reduced to the order of the time the memory whereof is justly precious to this Nation of Queen Elizabeth c. and do leave it to you to consider how Great the Power of Interpretation of Laws is in it self a Power almost infinitely greater then the discharging either the Obligations of some Penal Laws or their Penalties Pro hic nu c and as to some particular Persons as any one will grant who hath seen the extent of the Power of interpreting in the Canon Law where the Glossa ad Cap. Statuimus 4. Distinct. 4. gives us this Interpretation of Statuimus STATUIMUS i. e. ABROGAMUS And I can for this purpose tâ—…ll you that Bartolâ—…s in his Tractatus testimoniorum speaking of the Imperial Power concedendi veniam oetatis saith Carolus quarâ—…us sanctissimus nebilissimus Imperator inter 〈◊〉 multâ—… concessit ut ego meique descendentes quos legibús dâ—…los esse contigerit per un versum imperium oetatis venâ—…am concedere valeâ—…mus servataÌ„ formaÌ„ quoe legibus reperitur insâ—…rta and whereby you see that a Power of dispensing with incapaciâ—…y was by the Prince given as an inheritance But none can imagine that the Power of interpreting Laws can be so conferr'd So that therefore according to the Rule of Law Non debet cui plus licet quoÌ„d minus est non licere you neâ—…d not wâ—…nder at the Prince's dispensing with incapacity in particular cases whom you have seen interpreting Laws And you may consider that if the Queen did contrary to the measures of Law referr'd to in my Lord Coke by her sole Supream Ecclesiastical Authority seem to alter the interpretation of a Stature Oath for the better what she did found afterward its approbation in Parliament and in fine I leave it to you to consider how much the Power of dispensing with any Law may be thought Coincident with interpreting since as I shall some other time shew you at large that the dispensing with Laws is in effect the equitable interpreting that in such and such cases and circumstances they were not intended and ought not to bind but ought to be relax'd And now I must take the occasion offer'd me to give you a prospect of the Queens Dispensative Power both of the Interpretation of this Oath and of the acquittal from Disabilities that is not bounded by the Statutes of 5 o or 8 o Elizabethoe beforemention'd and wherein she again stood on the single basis of her own Supreme Authority Ecclesiastical without having recourse then to a Parliaments approbation Mr. Ney in his learned Observations on the Oath of Sâ—…premacy having spoke of the Queens Interpretation of the Oath in her Admonition and of the Parliamentary Proviso 5 o Eliz. doth thus go on There is something of Explication further meaning of the Oath in the Artiâ—…les of Religion concluded in the year 1562 and then recites the 37th Article as followeth viz. The Queens Majesty hath the Chief Power in this Realm of England and other her Dominions unto whom the Chief Government of 〈◊〉 Estates of this Realm whether they be Ecclesiastical or Civil in all Causes
the other c. that the Wisdom of that House in acting as it hath done in many Conjunctures hath put an end to many ferments accidentally occasion'd by others mistakes about Prerogative and whereby that august Assembly did sometimes Cunctando restituere rem and by its forbearing out of tenderâ—…ess for Prerogative to give judgment about it hath often to the Satisfaction both of the Prince and People left the Regal Rights in their ancient quiet Estate I shall for this purpose observe to you that I once reading to the late Earl of Anglesy when he was Lord Privy Seal what I had in a Manuscript of mine set down as the Fact of what had passed between the late King and the House of Commons concerning his Declaration of Indulgence on March the 15th 1671. and the Penal Laws being thereby suspended and the suspension of which the Commons then urged could not be but by Act of Parliament and whereupon they apply'd to the King for the Vacating that Declaration his Lordship did dictate to me in order to my Compleating the state of that Fact and which I writ from his Mouth as followeth viz. But it is to be observ'd upon this whole Transaction between the King and the House of Commons that the Lords had no hand in the Address to the King about this great Point altho it be uncontroverted that the Lords are the only Iudicatory that can determine any controverted Point without an Act of Parliament and either the King or the Commons might in a particular Case have had this Point brought by Appeal to the Lords if they had pleas'd and consequently might have effected the judicial decision of the same A. In your State of that part of the Fact that concern'd the Commons did they Address against the Dispensing with Acts of Parliament B. No but only against the Suspending them which are things of a different Nature The same House of Commons by having Iuly the 10th 1663. resolved That His Majesty be humbly desired to issue forth his Proclamation for the punctual and effectual Execution and Observance of the Act of Navigation without any Dispensation whatsoever whereby the Act may be in the least violated and to recal such Dispensations as are already granted c. did virtually shew a Deference to His Majesty's right of Dispensing Nay let me tell you that the very many Acts of Parliaments which expresly provide against the Crown 's dispensing by Non-obstante in some particular Cases may all be cited as Presidents or Iudgments of Parliaments for the propping up the Dispensative Power and of Parliaments having admitted that Power in our Kings the exercise of which they provide against and desire to take away in such particular Cases But by referring to the Fact of the entercourse between the late King and the House of Commons about the suspending the Penal Laws I have took occasion to point out to you the Wisdom of the Government in then passing that affair over without a judicial decision And I can give you an instance of the Prudential measures formerly observ'd by Persons who made a great figure in the Administration of the Ecclesiastical Government of the Church of England and who at the Consecration of Bishop Manwaring when on the usual Process at Consecrations to call all Persons to appear to shew cause why the Elect should not be Confirm'd some then appear'd objected against him that upon his being Impeached 3 o Car. 1. by the Commons the Lords had given Iudgment against him to disable him from all Preferment in the Church forbore to consider the merits of the Exception and throwing them off by a Pretence of their being defective in some Formalities of Law went on in the Confirmation And which is more I can tell you that long afterward viz. A. 1640. the Lords highly resenting both the Pardon and Bishoprick he had obtain'd and calling to mind the Sentence they had pronounced against him did on the 18th of April that year refer the Consideration thereof to their Grand Committee for Privileges it being also moved that what can be alledged on the Lord Bishop of St. David ' s part either by Pardon Licence or otherwise may be produced and seen at the Sitting of the Lords Committees for their full and clear understanding and better expedition in the business and on the 21st of April that year order'd that on the following Monday the Records be brought into the House that the House might determine the Cause and on the 27th of April following order'd the Cause to be heard the next day and upon which day some such fatal Sentence being expected against the Bishop as And his Bishoprick let another man take by reason of his having been judicially disabled His Majesty commanded that Bishop not to Sit in Parliament nor send any Proxy thither and the serment of the debate went off without any Iudgment given by the Lords that might touch Prerogative in the Point And if in the year 1640. when the air of mens fancies was so much infected with the Pestilence of Faction so much tenderness was shewn to Prerogative and that too in the Case of a Criminal whom the Commons had for so many years made the great object of their anger as one whom they look'd on as a Proditor or Betrayer of his Country and Betrayer of their Properties the Loyal may well say quid non speremus as to any future ferment that can rise in Parliament being allay'd without Prejudice to the Crown The Iournals of Parliament in the Beginning of the Reign of King Charles the First do tell us of the great ferment about the Pardon of Bishop Montague whom the Commons had impeach'd before the Lords and who after the Parliament was Prorogued to the 4th year of the reign of that Prince had obtain'd his Pardon in the time of the Prorogation and that such Pardon was by the Commons question'd and that such questioning soon evaporated But according to that Great Saying of Sir Harry Martin in his Speech at a Conference between both Houses as you will find it in Râ—…shworth after he had mention'd the inconvenience of nice debates about the Original Latitude and Bounds of Sovereign Power viz. I have ever been of opinion that it is then best with Sovereign Power when it is had in tacit veneration and not when it is prophaned by Publick Hearings and Examinations you will find that it hath been the usual Practice of our great Loyal Patriots in many Critical Conjunctures of time to prevent the popular Criticising on Controverted Points of Prerogative and to provide for the ease both of Prince and People by giving no other rule in the Cause then the putting it off in longissimum diem A. I suppose that excellent Political remark of Sir Harry Martin's was so made by him in the Conjuncture of the Petition of Right I have read of the great ferment the Petition of Right made in the beginning of the Reign
I shall refer you to King Iames his Proclamation of Iune the 10th in the year 1606. and where having mentioned the Religion of the Roman-Catholicks he saith We deâ—…ïre still to make it appear in the whole Course of of our Government that we are far from accounting all those Subjects Disâ—…oyal that are that way affected and that we do DISTINGUISH of such as be carry'd only with blind zeal and such as sin out of Presumption c. and therefore as after times must give us tryal of ALL mens behaviour so must all men expect that their own deserts must be the only measure of their Fortunes at our hands either one way or other and having before spoke of the Gun-Powder Treason and the Doctrines of some Priests that might encourage it and said that thereby there is sufficient Cause to justifie the Proceedings of us and our said Parliament in the making and execution of these last and all other former Statutes tending to the same end it followeth nevertheless seeing the Soveraign Care appertains to us who have the Soveraign Power of Iustice in our hand and the Supreme Dispensation of Clemency and Moderation of the Severity of our Laws is likewise as proper to us to use whensoever we shall find it reasonable the same deserving to be no less allow'd in us being in our Dominions God's Lieutenant then it is prais'd in him among whose highest titles it is that his Mercy is above all his Works c. The King in the beginning of his Proclamation having profess'd his Zeal for the Religion of the Church of England by Law Establish'd and his constant Resolution for the maintenance and defence thereof said Of which our purpose and determination beside all other our former proceedings since our Entry into this Kingdom we have given a new and certain Demonstration by such two Acts as have been passed in this Session of our Parliament both tending to prevent the Dangers and diminish the number of those who adhering to the Profession of the Church of Rome are blindly led together with the Superstition of their Religion both into some points of Doctrine which cannot consist with the Loyalty of Subjects toward their Prince and oft-times into direct actions of Conspiracies and Conjurations against the State wherein they live as hath most notoriously appear'd by the late most horrible and almost incredible Conjuration c. The two Acts there referr'd to are those that you will find in your Statute-Book Anno tertio Jacobi Regis cap. 4. An Act for the Discovering and repressing Popish Recusants and in which the Oath of Allegiance is contain'd and Cap. 5. An Act to prevent and avoid dangers by Popish Recusants and whereby Popish Recusants Convict are disabled from bearing Office. But here you see how that wise Prince so soon after so horrid a real Plot did by distinguishing in his Proclamation between the Principles of some Roman-Catholicks and others as to Loyalty and alluring the Loyal by the avow'd Dispensative Power of his Mercy and hiding them under the wings of his Mercy from the terror of his Laws and affording to all his Subjects who should afterward behave themselves well a Tabula post naufragium as to the expectance of making up their fortunes think himself obliged then to cause his Moderation to be known to all men And you may hence take occasion when you think of the many Acts in terrorem in the Statute-Book and where there is no Proportion between the Crime and the Punishment and in some that seem inflictive of Punishments in the Case where men cannot be to any but the Searcher of hearts known to be Criminal at all as for example in their owning some Problematick Points of the Christian Religion to consider that most probably the Wisdom of the Government would not have pass'd them but on the Suppoâ—…ition of the Regal Power of dispensing therein expresly or tacitly You see how the Laws commonly call'd Sangâ—…inary have been tacitly suspended and I may tell you that tho I desire to live no longer then I shall be a maintainet of the internal Communion due from all Christians to all Christians as a part of that Holiness without which no man shall see God yet I should soon withdraw from the external Communion of the Church of England if it own'd the justness of such Laws otherwise then as in terroremâ—… and if it owned the lawfulness of putting men to Death for the Profession of any Religionary Principles their liberty to prosess which was purchased for them by the Blood of their Redeemer But I need not say more now about cautioning you or any one against the taking offence at any of our Laws Laws through want of considering which of them were designedly made for terror I might here likewise as to many Acts about Trade that swell the Statute-Book apply the Consideration of the Regal Power of dispensing therein having encouraged our Ancestors to perpetuate them as Laws A. The truth is you now put me in mind how I having long ago spent much time in considering the Trade and Traffick of our Country and of other Parts of Christendom and finding that shortly after His late Majesty's Restoration one of his Ministers had in a Publick Speech intimated it to the Parliament that His Majesty had setled a Councel of Trade consisting of some of the Lords of his Privy Councel and of some Gentlemen of Quality and Experience and of some Principal Merchants of the Principal Companies I had the curiosity to look over their Iournals and their Advices and Reports to the King and there I found somewhat of the same notion with yours in one of their Reports to His Majesty For there in one of their Papers of Advice addressed to the King taking notice that what they conceived fit to be done for the advancement of the Trade of the Realm was Prohibited by divers ancient Statutes they make them imply that the thing might be done by the King's licence or dispensing and whereupon they thus go on And therefore finding this Dispensation to be your Majesty's Prerogative preserv'd entire to the Crown through so many of your Royal Progenitors we have not thought fit to touch further upon this Matter as being humbly confident that your Majesty's Subjects shall upon all occasions be indulged the like if not more ready relief and accommodation for their Trade from your Majesty's Royal Grace and Bounty only because the Observation was obvious that perhaps all former Parliaments purposely left this door open to the People by the Grace of the King to be reliev'd with those dispensations as foreseeing how difficult if not impossible or how inconvenient at least it might be altogether to restrain what those Statutes prohibited we could not omit the same in this place c. B. And you have put me in mind how a very Loyal and judicious Gentleman of that Councel of Trade and whom I look on to be as deeply study'd in the
Numb 35. 33. A. But by the way do you think then that Sovereign Princes offend the Law of God in Pardoning Murther B. I do observe that many presume to censure Kings for so doing and are superstitiously misguided by thinking that those two places of Scripture referr'd to by my Lord Coke do necessarily make it a sin in Princes to Pardon Murther But I shall when we meet again shew you the mistake of such therein and shall shew you that David at that time when the Law of God and the lex terrae was the same thing and who had Sworn and would perform it that he would keep God's righteous Iudgments was not to be censured to have sinned either in the reprieve of Ioab who had murthered Amasa and Abner and in delaying the Execution of the Law and leaving it to Solomon his Son or in the Pardon of Absolon who had slain his Brother Ammon and that when the Law faith in Numb 35. The Murtherer shall surely be put to death our best Commentators and out of the Rabbins say that this is spoken to the Iudges before whom such Causes regularly came and under the Supreme Power and by authority thereof judged those Causes and that tho the Iudges who were subordinate to the Supreme Power were to take no Satisfaction for the life of a Murtherer but were by that Law to Condemn him yet that it followeth not that the Supreme Power who made them Iudges might not in some Cases Reprieve and Pardon some whom they had Condemned A. I shall be glad to hear you discourse of this and the rather for that 't is so Customary to many when they find the Prince exercising this Prerogative of Pardoning to be apt too much to busy their heads with those two places in the Old Testament to their neglect of others there viz. Exod. 22. 28. Prov. 24. 21. Eccles. 10. 20. and of Acts 23. 5. in the New and likewise there of Rom. 13. 2. 5. 1. St. Peter 2. 17. and from whence they might Collect their moral offices of not doing or speaking or thinking dishonourably of the Lord 's annointed and of paying honour and obedience to his Sovereign Power and that for Conscience sake But in the mean time give me leave à propos to ask you if ever you heard of any one of the Iudges of the Realm in the Reign of our former Princes that gave his judgment for the allowance of the King's Pardon of disability Shew me but that and I shall not be affrighted with my Lord Ch. Justice Vaughan's Simoniacal Dead man. B. I shall tell you of a Case that was well enough known to him and which you may find in Croke 3d p. 55. Sir Iohn Bennet v. Dr. Easedale where you may see that Sir Iohn Bennet being fined 20000 l. for Bribery by the Star-Chamber and Censured to be Imprison'd and made uncapable of any Office of Iudicature and that he having a Pardon from the King reciting the Bribery and Offences mention'd in the Decree and all Penalties and Punishments by reason thereof and all Disabilities and Incapacities and all things concerning the said Sentence except the Fine of 20000 l. and the Court of Star-Chamber having the advice of all the Iudges relating to the Decree and Pardon it was resolv'd by them all that this Pardon hath taken away all force of the Sentence in the Star-Chamber except for the Fine of 20000 l. and all Disabilities are discharged thereby That Lord Chief Iustice knew that as it was set down in that Chapter of Pardons Inst. 3. the King's Pardon extends to all Suits in the Star-Chamber and he knew of what was mention'd Inst. 4. Chap. 1. Of the High Court of Parliament viz. Of a Pardon to the Lord Latimer of a Iudgment in Parliament and he knew that by his own and other Iustices of Assize going into their own Countrys in the Execution of their Offices by vertue of the King 's Non-obstante to the Statutes of 8. R. 2. c. 2. 3. H. 8. c. 24. himself and as many as went Iudges of Assize so into their own Countrys gave Judgment by so doing for the Prerogative of dispensing with such Acts of Parliament and he likewise knew that as it is well express'd in Theâ—… Answer of King Charles the First to the Declaration of both Houses of Parliament concerning the Commission of array A. 1642. An Act of Parliament in any Matter tho mistaken being assented to by the King and his two Houses is equally binding as having equal Authority with an Act introductive of a new Law and that therefore Acts of Parliament having so particularly declared the justness of the Prerogative's dispensing with disability no magna nomina of any particular Sages of the Law in otherwise opining can expect any deference And if you will consider what my Lord Coke in that Chapter of Pardons hath mention'd of the operation of Prerogative over the dead in Law and consider the President he refers to viz. Pasch. 22. E. 3. tit Cor. 239. Coram Rege Quidam indictatus de Felonia inde Culp dicit quod Rex eum Conduxit inde producit Chartam quod Rex eum Conduxit in Vasc. in exercitu dicta Charta allocata fuit per Curiam and there see his opinion grounded on it that if a man be Indicted of Felony and found Guilty and being in Prison the King may under the Great Seal reciting the Offence c. retain him to serve in his Wars on this side or beyond the Seas this Charter he may Plead and the Court ought to allow it I believe you will be of Opinion that any one who will desire any more Presidents for the Commanding the services of dead men ought to be sent for one to the REHEARSAL viz. that of Arise you dead Men and get ye about your business A. Well Sir As for this objected Dead-man requiescat in Pace I have done with him and since from some things you have said I gather that the dispensing with disability by Roman Emperors and Popes of Rome did never by any ferment disturb their Governments and moreover since no men of sense here have ever troubled themselves or the Government with any vexatious Question about the King's Power in discharging a man from a Praemunire but not from a Penal disability incurr'd whereas by a Praemunire as my Lord Coke shews us Inst. 3. c. 54. men are put out of the Protection of the King and DISABLED to have any Action or Remedy by the King's Law or the Kings Writs and exposed to many other dreadful Punishments I do now begin to wonder whence it is that the mistake in some mens Minds hath come about a Penal disability being so unremoveable And thus I think too one might wonder how such as will allow the King's Pardon to discharge one from an Excommunicatio minor or major do look on disability as such an anathematizing thing as is not to be touch'd or that cannot be