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A03915 An ansvvere to a certaine treatise of the crosse in baptisme. Intituled A short treatise of the crosse in baptisme contracted into this syllogisme. No humane ordinance becomming an idoll may lawfully be vsed in the service of God. But the signe of the crosse, being an humane ordinance is become an idoll. Ergo: the signe of the crosse, may not lawfully bee vsed in the service of God. VVherein not only the weaknesse of the syllogisme it selfe, but also of the grounds and proofes thereof, are plainely discovered. By L.H. Doct. of Divinitie. Hutton, Leonard. 1605 (1605) STC 14023; ESTC S104328 89,079 150

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to_o that_o so_o much_o commend_v execution_n break_v it_o in_o piece_n and_o call_v it_o nehushtan_n the_o same_o deliberation_n likewise_o in_o our_o reformer_n in_o the_o matter_n of_o the_o cross_n make_v they_o to_o find_v that_o the_o consignation_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n be_v not_o more_o peculiar_a to_o the_o time_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n then_o to_o we_o that_o it_o have_v not_o perform_v all_o that_o service_n for_o the_o which_o it_o be_v first_o institute_v that_o it_o be_v a_o admonisher_n as_o necessary_a now_o against_o atheist_n mocker_n and_o blasphemer_n as_o it_o be_v at_o the_o first_o against_o heathen_a and_o pagan_a idolator_n that_o if_o it_o be_v take_v away_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n may_v just_o accuse_v we_o of_o abrogate_a a_o harmless_a &_o innocent_a institution_n 10._o non_fw-la temere_fw-la nec_fw-la subinde_fw-la nec_fw-la levibus_fw-la de_fw-la causis_fw-la ad_fw-la novationem_fw-la est_fw-la decurren_n dum_fw-la calv._n inst_z lib_n 4_o cap._n
10._o of_o the_o primitive_a church_n that_o it_o be_v not_o indifferent_a to_o our_o church_n whether_o it_o be_v take_v away_o or_o not_o both_o because_o we_o be_v not_o to_o reject_v ancient_a institution_n where_o there_o be_v no_o need_n and_o also_o to_o make_v know_v to_o the_o romanist_n that_o we_o willing_o reject_v nothing_o that_o possible_o may_v be_v reduce_v to_o his_o first_o integrity_n upon_o these_o ground_n and_o deliberation_n our_o good_a magistrate_n in_o k._n edward_n day_n do_v not_o abolish_v the_o use_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n and_o upon_o the_o same_o ground_n our_o worthy_a prince_n &_o magistrate_n that_o now_o be_v think_v it_o meet_v to_o retain_v it_o still_o quid_fw-la hic_fw-la peccatum_fw-la est_fw-la what_o offence_n i_o pray_v you_o be_v this_o or_o why_o shall_v not_o you_o be_v as_o favourable_a to_o our_o christian_a liberty_n herein_o as_o the_o most_o learned_a mr._n beza_n be_v 227._o beza_n respon_n ad_fw-la franc._n baldvin_n pag._n 227._o scio_fw-la non_fw-la nullos_fw-la sublata_fw-la crucis_fw-la adoratione_n aliquem_fw-la signi_fw-la crucis_fw-la usum_fw-la retinuisse_fw-la utantur_fw-la igitur_fw-la ipsi_fw-la sicut_fw-la par_fw-fr est_fw-la sva_fw-la libertate_fw-la i_o answer_v three_o that_o our_o reformer_n do_v the_o same_o thing_n in_o their_o reformation_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n which_o ezekiah_n do_v in_o his_o reformation_n of_o the_o brazen_a serpent_n for_o what_o be_v that_o which_o hezekiah_n do_v sure_o it_o be_v that_o he_o take_v away_o the_o abuse_n wherein_o it_o be_v faulty_a not_o the_o right_a use_n wherein_o it_o be_v typical_a and_o figurative_a the_o abuse_n wherein_o it_o be_v faulty_a be_v the_o burn_a of_o incense_n unto_o it_o and_o worship_v of_o it_o &_o the_o occasion_n of_o this_o abuse_n be_v that_o opinion_n and_o estimation_n of_o deity_n which_o the_o people_n have_v false_o affix_v unto_o it_o both_o these_o he_o take_v away_o namely_o the_o abuse_n and_o the_o occasion_n our_o reformer_n have_v do_v the_o very_a same_o they_o have_v take_v away_o first_o the_o abuse_n of_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n which_o be_v the_o too_o great_a estimation_n and_o opinion_n of_o grace_n power_n and_o virtue_n that_o the_o people_n erroneous_o repose_v in_o it_o and_o second_o the_o occasion_n of_o that_o abuse_n which_o be_v the_o ignorance_n and_o misunderstanding_n of_o the_o people_n for_o want_v of_o instruction_n only_o the_o difference_n be_v that_o the_o abuse_n which_o be_v the_o least_o in_o the_o idolatrous_a jew_n namely_o their_o false_a opinion_n of_o deity_n in_o the_o serpent_n be_v the_o great_a in_o our_o man_n as_o touch_v the_o cross_n and_o that_o which_o be_v the_o great_a in_o they_o namely_o their_o worship_v and_o burn_a incense_n unto_o the_o serpent_n be_v none_o at_o all_o in_o we_o in_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n for_o our_o man_n go_v as_o far_o as_o they_o in_o ascribe_v virtue_n which_o be_v a_o equal_a fault_n in_o both_o can_v not_o go_v so_o far_o in_o worship_v &_o adore_v because_o of_o the_o diversitiy_n of_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o several_a thing_n the_o brazen_a serpent_n be_v a_o substance_n material_a and_o permanent_a and_o therefore_o easy_o subject_a to_o adoration_n by_o reason_n of_o the_o outward_a shape_n and_o form_n the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_a a_o action_n immaterial_a and_o transient_a &_o therefore_o nothing_o so_o easy_o to_o be_v worship_v by_o reason_n it_o want_v both_o substance_n shape_n and_o form_n second_o hezekiah_n neither_o take_v away_o nor_o purpose_v to_o take_v away_o the_o right_a use_n of_o the_o serpent_n wherein_o it_o be_v not_o faulty_a namely_o that_o it_o be_v a_o type_n of_o christ_n exaltation_n on_o the_o cross_n and_o therein_o a_o representation_n of_o the_o messiah_n this_o use_n remain_v still_o after_o the_o reformation_n of_o hezekiah_n neither_o do_v our_o governor_n take_v away_o that_o use_n of_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n wherein_o it_o be_v not_o faulty_a neither_o do_v they_o suppose_v it_o meet_v to_o take_v it_o away_o but_o restore_v it_o to_o that_o use_n for_o which_o it_o be_v institute_v at_o the_o first_o leave_v it_o still_o to_o be_v a_o memorative_a sign_n of_o our_o promise_n make_v to_o christ_n in_o baptism_n and_o a_o secret_a and_o faithful_a admonisher_n of_o our_o duty_n so_o that_o we_o may_v safe_o say_v our_o reformer_n follow_v the_o reformation_n of_o hezekiah_n most_o exact_o in_o all_o point_n wherein_o the_o diverse_a nature_n of_o the_o abuse_n &_o the_o thing_n do_v not_o make_v a_o necessary_a difference_n of_o their_o reformation_n concern_v your_o compare_v of_o the_o author_n the_o brazen_a serpent_n command_v by_o god_n and_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n ordain_v by_o man_n though_o i_o have_v answer_v thereto_o before_o this_o now_o i_o add_v moreover_o by_o way_n of_o retortion_n though_o both_o do_v give_v occasion_n to_o idolatry_n yet_o the_o brazen_a serpent_n even_o therefore_o because_o it_o be_v ordain_v by_o god_n may_v minister_v a_o more_o probable_a present_a and_o obvious_a fall_n into_o idolatry_n than_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n in_o that_o it_o be_v ordain_v by_o man_n this_o i_o declare_v thus_o when_o man_n mind_n be_v once_o infect_v with_o superstition_n they_o take_v hold_v soon_o of_o that_o which_o be_v most_o commend_v by_o the_o author_n &_o the_o more_o worthy_a the_o author_n be_v the_o more_o firm_o they_o cleave_v to_o that_o which_o they_o have_v once_o fasten_v their_o error_n upon_o if_o therefore_o they_o find_v god_n to_o be_v the_o author_n of_o it_o they_o take_v that_o for_o reason_n sufficient_a why_o they_o shall_v worship_v it_o this_o cause_n make_v the_o idolatrous_a jew_n not_o only_o to_o worship_v the_o brazen_a serpent_n at_o the_o first_o but_o also_o to_o think_v that_o in_o so_o do_v they_o do_v well_o because_o they_o worship_v only_o that_o whereof_o they_o know_v certain_o god_n himself_o to_o be_v the_o author_n the_o same_o reason_n move_v those_o idolator_n reprove_v by_o the_o prophet_n 8.2_o jerem._n 13_o 19_o jerem._n 8.2_o to_o burn_v incense_n to_o the_o sun_n and_o moon_n and_o all_o the_o host_n of_o heaven_n and_o to_o worship_v they_o think_v their_o idolatry_n the_o more_o justifiable_a because_o it_o take_v occasion_n not_o upon_o any_o invention_n of_o man_n but_o upon_o those_o excellent_a creature_n of_o god_n who_o he_o have_v place_v so_o high_a and_o adorn_v with_o so_o great_a beauty_n contrariwise_o the_o devise_n and_o invention_n of_o man_n such_o as_o the_o cross_n be_v be_v always_o doubtful_a and_o suspect_v even_o unto_o the_o idolator_n themselves_o and_o have_v not_o their_o occasion_n so_o present_a &_o immediate_a as_o the_o other_o for_o first_o the_o author_n must_v have_v some_o reason_n for_o his_o devise_n and_o then_o authority_n to_o give_v countenance_n thereunto_o and_o last_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o people_n approve_v the_o reason_n &_o embrace_v the_o authority_n which_o point_v be_v well_o consider_v as_o they_o make_v a_o far_a way_n about_o to_o bring_v the_o credit_n of_o adoration_n to_o that_o which_o be_v invent_v by_o man_n so_o they_o be_v good_a mean_n to_o persuade_v the_o people_n to_o forsake_v their_o idolatry_n when_o they_o have_v embrace_v it_o so_o that_o your_o argument_n from_o the_o diversity_n of_o the_o author_n do_v rather_o make_v against_o you_o then_o give_v any_o strength_n to_o your_o cause_n the_o like_a may_v be_v say_v of_o the_o opinion_n of_o virtue_n which_o the_o jdolator_n be_v always_o willing_a to_o ascribe_v unto_o his_o idol_n for_o when_o it_o do_v manifest_o appear_v that_o that_o which_o he_o make_v a_o idol_n be_v command_v of_o god_n the_o jllation_n be_v far_o more_o present_a and_o easy_a ergo_fw-la it_o can_v be_v without_o virtue_n then_o can_v be_v apply_v to_o any_o ordinance_n devise_v by_o man_n concern_v your_o compare_v of_o the_o 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