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A18602 [An apology for the treatise, called A triall of faith. Concerning the precedency of repentance for sinne, before faith in Christ for pardon] Chibald, William, 1575-1641. 1624 (1624) STC 5130; ESTC S119281 81,022 204

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prevail_v with_o their_o pleasi●_n doctrine_n and_o lie_v word_n that_o if_o it_o be_v possible_a the_o very_a elect_n shall_v be_v deceive_v thereby_o to_o the_o end_n that_o they_o may_v take_v heed_n how_o they_o hear_v they_o or_o give_v credit_n to_o their_o doctrine_n but_o abandon_v it_o and_o they_o as_o appear_v by_o the_o 25._o and_o 26._o verse_n second_o i_o answer_v to_o their_o exception_n suppose_v i_o mean_v positive_o that_o a_o man_n may_v die_v with_o this_o repentance_n and_o be_v damn_v yet_o be_v not_o this_o untrue_a understand_v by_o this_o true_a repentance_n that_o which_o i_o do_v viz_o only_a sorrow_n for_o sin_n and_o purpose_n to_o leave_v it_o without_o dissimulation_n as_o in_o the_o case_n of_o abab_n and_o the_o ninivites_fw-la and_o not_o the_o tree_n with_o the_o fruit_n the_o purpose_n with_o the_o practice_n the_o change_n of_o the_o heart_n with_o the_o change_n of_o the_o li●e_z object_n 1_o oh_o but_o say_v they_o though_o in_o one_o place_n i_o 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