a purse howe are they so much wider vnto him then to me that he which in the limits of his ordinarie calling should reproue that in me which hee vnderstood not and I labouring that both he others might vnderstand could not do this without forsaking my calling The matter whereof I spake was such as being at the first by me but lightly touched hee had in that place openly contradicted and solemnly taken vpon him to disproue If therefore it were a schoole question vnfit to be discoursed of there that which was in me but a proposition only at the first wherfore made he a probleme of it Why tooke he first vpon him to maintaine the negatiue of that which I had affirmatiue lie spoken only to shew mine owne opinion little thinking that ever it would haue a question Of what nature soever the question were of I could do no lesse thē there explaine my selfe to them vnto whom I was accused of vnsound doctrine wherein if to shew what had beene through ambiguitie mistaken in my wordes or misapplyed by him in this cause against me I vsed the distinctions and helps of schooles I trust that herein I haue committed no vnlawfull thing These schoole implements are acknowledged by * graue and wise mē not vnprofitable to haue beene invented The most approved for learning and iudgment do vse them with out blame the vse of them hath beene wel liked in some that haue taught even in this verie place before me the qualitie of my hearers is such that I could not but think them of capacitie very sufficient for the most part to conceiue harder then I vsed any the cause I had in hand did in my iudgement necessarilie require them which were then vsed when my words spoken generally without distinctions had beene perverted what other waie was there for me but by distinctions to lay them opē in their right meaning that it might appeare to all men whether they were consonant to truth or no. And although Mr Travers be so invred with the citty that he thinketh it vnmeete to vse my speech which savoureth of the schoole yet his opinion is no canon though vnto him his minde being troubled my speech did seeme like fetters manicles yet there might be some more calmely affected which thought otherwise his private iudgement will hardly warrant his bold words that the things which I spake were neither of edification nor truth They might edifie some other for anie thing he knoweth and bee true for anie thing he proveth to the contrarie For it is no proofe to crie Absurdities the like wherevnto haue not beene harde in publique places within this Land since Queene Maries daies If this came in earnest from him I am sorie to see him so much offended without cause More sorie that his fit should be so extreame to make him speake he knoweth not what That I neither affected the truth of God nor the peace of the Church Mihi pro minimo est It doth not much moue me when Mr Travers doth say that which I trust a greater then Mr Travers will gainesaie 17 Now let all this which hitherto he hath said be graunted him let it be as he would haue it let my doctrine and manner of teaching bee as much disallowed by all mens iudgement as by his what is all this to his purpose He alleadgeth this to bee the cause why hee bringeth it in The high Commissioners charge him with an indiscretion and want of dutie in that hee inveighed against certaine points of doctrine taught by me as erroneous not conferring first with me nor complaining of it to them Which faults a sea of such matter as hee hath hitherto waded in will never be able to scowre from him For the avoiding of Schisme and disturbance in the Church which must needes grow if all men might thinke what they list and speake openlie what they thinke therefore by a decree agreed vpon by the Bishops confirmed by her Maiesties authoritie it was ordered that erronious doctrine if it were taught publiquely should not be publiquely refuted but that notice thereof shoulde bee giuen vnto such as are by her Highnesse appointed to heare to determine such causes For breach of which order when he is charged with lacke of duety all the faults that can bee heaped vpon mee will make but a weak defence for him as surely his defence is not much stronger when he alleageth for himselfe that He was in some hope his speech in proving the truth and clearing those scruples which I had in my selfe might cause me either to imbrace sound doctrine or suffer it to be imbraced of others which if I did he should not need to cōplain that It was meet he should discover first what I had sowne and make it manifest to be tares and then desire their sithe to cut it downe that conscience did binde him to do otherwise thē the foresaid order requireth that hee was vnwilling to deale in that publique manner and wished a more convenient way were taken for it that hee had resolved to haue protested the next Saboth day that he would some other way satisfie such as should require it and not deale more in that place Be it imagined let me not be taken as if I did compare th' offenders when I do not but their answers only be it imagined that a libeller did make this apologie for himselfe I am not ignorant that if I haue iust matter against any man the Law is open there are iudges to heare it and courts where it ought to be complained of I haue taken an other course against such or such a man yet without breach of duty for as much as I am able to yeeld a reason of my doing I conceiue some hope that a little discredit amongst men would make him ashamed of himselfe and that his shame would worke his amendment which if it did other accusation there should not need could his answere be thought sufficient could it in the iudgment of discreet men free him from all blame No more can the hope which Mr Tarvers conceived to reclaime me by publique speech iustifie his fault against the established order of the Church 18 His thinking it meete he should first openly discover to the people the tares that had been sowne amongst thē and then require the hand of authority to mowe them down doth only make it a question whether his opinion that this was meet may be a priviledge or protection against that lawfull constitution which had before determined of it as of a thing vnmeet Which question I leaue for them to discusse whom it most concerneth If the order be such that it cannot be kept without hazarding a thing so precious as a good conscience the perill wherof could be no greater to him then it needs must bee to all others whom it toucheth in like causes when this is evident it wil be a most effectuall motiue not only for England
25 Yet behold his first reason of not complaining to the high Commission is that sith J offended onely through an overcharitable inclination hee conceaued good hope when J should see the truth cleered some scruples which were in my mind removed by his diligence J would yeeld But what experience soever hee had of former conferences how small soever his hope was that fruit would come of it if he should haue conferred will any man iudge this a cause sufficient why to open his mouth in publique without any one worde privately spoken He might haue considered that men doe sometimes reape where they sowe but with small hope hee might haue considered that although vnto me whereof he was not certaine neither but if to mee his labour should be as water spilt or powred into a torne dish yet to him it could not bee fruitlesse to doe that which order in Christian Churches that which charitie amongst Christian men that which at many mens hands even common humanitie it selfe at his many other things besides did require What fruit could there come of his open contradicting in so great hast with so small advise but such as must needs bee vnpleasant and mingled with much acerbitie Surely hee which will take vpon him to defend that in this there was no oversight must beware least by such defences he leaue an opinion dwelling in the minds of men that he is more stiffe to maintaine what he hath done then carefull to doe nothing but that which may iustly bee maintained 26 Thus haue J as neere as I could seriously answered things of waight with smaller I haue dealt as J thought their qualitie did require I take no ioy in striving I haue not beene nozled or trained vp in it I would to Christ they which haue at this present enforced me herevnto had so ruled their hands in any reasonable time that I might never haue beene constrained to strike so much as in mine owne defence Wherefore to prosecute this long and tedious contention no further shall I wish that your Grace their HH vnto whose intelligence the dutifull regard which I haue of their iudgements maketh me desirous that as accusations haue been brought against me so that this my answere therevnto may likewise come did both with the one the other as Constantine with bookes containing querulous matter Whether this be coÌ„venient to be wisht or no J cannot tell But sith there can come nothing of contention but the mutuall wast of the parties contending til a common enimie daunce in the ashes of them both I doe wish hartely that the graue advise which Constantine gaue for revniting of his Clergie so manie times vpon so small occasions in so lamentable sort divided or rather the strict commandement of Christ vn to his that they should not be devided at all may at the length if it be his blessed will prevaile so far at the least in this corner of the Christian world to the burying quite forgetting of strife together with the causes which haue either bred it or brought it vp that things of small moment never disioine them whom one God one Lord one faith one spirit one baptisme bands of so great force haue linked that a respectiue eie towards things wherewith wee should not be disquieted make vs not as through infirmitie the very Patriarkes themselues sometimes were full gorged vnable to speake peaceably to their owne brother finally that no strife may ever be hard of againe but this who shal hate strife most who shall pursue peace and vnitie with swiftest paces FINIS * A meer formalitie it had bin to mee in that place wheâ—eas no man had ever vsed it before me so it could neither further me if I did vse it nor hinder me if I did not His words be these The next Saboth day after this M. Hooker kept the way he had entred into before bestowed his whole hower and more only vpon the questions hee had moved and maintained Wherein hee so set out the agreement of the Church of Rome with vs and their disagreement from vs as if wee had consented in the greatest and waightiest points and differed only in certaine smaller matters Which agreement noted by him in two chiefe points is not such as he would haue made men beleeue The one in that hee said they acknowledge all men sinners even the blessed Uirgin though some of them freed her from sinne for the Councell of Trent holdeth that shee was free from sinne Another in that he said They teach Christs righteousnesse to be the only meritorious cause of taking away sinne and differ from vs only in the applying of it For Thom. Aquinas their chiefe schooleman Archbish. Catharmus teach that Christ tooke away only originall sin and that the rest are to bee taken away by our selues yea the Councell of Trent teacheth that the righteousnesse whereby wee are righteous in Gods sight is inherent righteousnesse which must needs bee of our owne workes and cannot be vnderstood of the righteousnesse inherent only in Christs person accounted vnto vs. * This doth much trouble Thomas holding her conception stained with the naturall blemish inhereÌ„t in mortall seed And therefore hee putteth it off with two Answers the one that the Church of Rome doth not allow but tolerate the Feast which answer now will not serue the other that being sure shee was sanctified before birth but vnsure how long a while after her conception therefore vnder the name of her conception day they honour the time of her sanctification So that besides this they haue now no soder to make the certaine allowance of their feast and their vncertaine sentence concerning her sinne to cleaue together Thomas 3. part quaest 27 art 2. ad 2 m 3m. Annotat. in Rom 5. See 9. Lib. 5. defens fidei Oâ—â—â—od lib. 3 In 4 Sent. d. 1 â—u 4. art 6. Bellarm. Iudic. dâ—lio Concor Mendaâ— 18. Nemo Catholicorum vnquam sic docuit sed credimus profitemur Christum in crâ—ce pro omniâ—â—â— omnino peccatu 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 originalibus quà m actualibus 〈…〉 * In the Advertisements published in the 7 yeare of her Maiesties raigne If any preacher or person vicar or curat so licensed shall fortune to preach any matter tending to disseÌ„tion or to derogation of the religion and doctrine receaued that the hearers denouÌ„ce the same to the Ordinary or the next Bishop of the same place but not openly to contrary or to impugne the same speech so disorderly vttered whereby may grow offense and disquiet of the people but shall be convinced and reproved by the Ordinarie after such agreeable order as shal be scene to him according to the gravitie of the offence And that it be presented within one moneth after the words spoken
but also for other reformed Churches even Geneva it selfe for they haue the like to change or take that away which cannot but with great inconvenience be observed In the meane while the breach of it may in such consideration be pardoned which truly I wish howsoever it be yet hardly defended as long as it stan deth in force vncanceld 19 Now whereas he confesseth another way had beene more convenient and that he found in himselfe secret vnwillingnesse to doe that which he did doth hee not say plainely in effect that the light of his owne vnderstanding proved the way he tooke perverse crooked reason was so plaine and pregnant against it that his mind was alienated his will averted to another course yet somewhat there was which so farre over-ruled that it must needs bee done even against the very streame what doth it bewraie Finally his purposed protestation whereby hee meant openly to make it knowne that he did not allow this kind of proceeding and therefore would satisfie men otherwise and deale no more in this place sheweth his good mind in this that he meant to stay himselfe from further offending but it serueth not his turne Hee is blamed because the thing he had done was amisse his answer is That which I would haue done afterwards had beene well if so bee I had done it 20 But as in this hee standeth perswaded that hee hath done nothing besides dutie so hee taketh it hardly that the high Commissioners should charge him with indiscretion Wherefore as if hee could so wash his hands he maketh a long and a large declaration concerning the carriage of himselfe how he waded in matters of smaller waight and how in things of greater moment how warily he dealt how naturally he took his things rising from the text how closely he kept himselfe to the Scripture he tooke in hand how much paines he tooke to confirme the necessity of beleeving iustification by Christ only and to shewe how the Church of Rome denyeth that a man is saved by faith alone without workes of the Law what the sonnes of thunder would haue done if they had beene in his case that his answere was verie temperate without immodest or reproachfull speech that when he might before all haue reproved me he did not but contented himselfe with exhorting me before all to follow Nathans example and revisit my doctrine when hee might haue followed S. Paules example in reproving Peter he did not but exhorted me with Peter to endure to be withstood This testimonie of his discreet carrying himselfe in the handling of his matter being more aagreeably framed giuen him by an other then by himselfe might make somwhat for the praise of his person but for defence of his action vnto them by whom he is thought vndiscreet for not conferring privatly before he spake will it serue to answere that when he spake he did it consideratly He perceiveth it will not and therefore addeth reasons such as they are As namely how he purposed at the first to take an other course and that was this publiquely to deliver the truth of such doctrine as I had otherwise taught and at convenient opportunitie to conferre with mee vpon such points Is this the rule of Christ If thy brother offend openly in his speech controule it first with contrary speech openly and conferre with him afterwards vpon it when convenient opportunitie serveth Is there anie law of God or of man wherevpon to ground such a resolution any Church extant in the world where teachers are allowed thus to do or to be done vnto He cannot but see how weake an allâ—gation it is when hee bringeth in his following this course first in one matter and so afterwards in another to approue himselfe now following it againe For if the very purpose of doing a thing so vncharitable be a fault the deed is a greater fault and doth the doing of it twise make it the third time fit and allowable to bee done The waight of the cause which is his thirde defence relieveth him as little The waightier it was the more it required considerat advise and consultation the more it stood him vpoÌ„ to take good heed that nothing were rashlie done or spoken in it But hee meaneth waightie in regard of the wonderfull danger except hee had presently withstood me without expecting a time of conference This cause being of such moment that might preiudice the faith of Christ incourage the ill affected to continue still in their damnable waies and other weake in faith to suffer themselues to be seduced to the destruction of their soules he thought it his bounden duetie to speake before hee talked with me A man that shoulde read this and not know what I had spoken might imagine that I had at the least denied the Divinitie of Christ. But they which were present at my speech and can testifie that nothing passed my lips more then is coÌ„tained in their writings whom for soundnes of doctrine learning iudgment Mr Travers himselfe doth I dare say not only allow but honor they which hard and doe know that the doctrine here signified in so fearefull manner the doctrine that was so dangerous to the faith of Christ that was so likely to encourage ill affected men to continue still in daÌ„nable waies that gaue so great cause to tremble for fear of the present destruction of Soules was only this I doubt not but God was mercifull to saue thousands of our Fathers living heretofore in popish superstitions in as much as they sinned ignorantly and this spoken in a sermon the greatest part whereof was against poperie they will hardly be able to discerne how Christianity should herewith be so grievously shaken 21 Whereby his fourth excuse is also taken from him For what doth it boot him to saie The time vvas short wherein he was to preach after me when his preaching of this matter perhaps ought surely might haue bin either very well omitted or at the least more conveniently for a while differd even by their iudgements that cast the most favourable aspect towards these his hasty proceedings The poyson which men had taken at my hands was not so quicke and strong in operation as in eight daies to make them past cure by eight daies delay there was no likelyhood that the force and power of his speech could dy longer meditation might bring better and stronger proofes to mind then extemporall dexteritie could furnish him with and who doth know whether time the only mother of sound iudgement and discreet dealing might haue given that actioÌ„ of his some better ripenesse which by so great festination hath as a thing borne out of time brought small ioy vnto him that begat it Doth hee thinke it had not beene better that neither my speech had seemed in his eies as an arrow sticking in a thigh of flesh nor his own as a child whereof he must needs bee delivered by an houre His last way of disburdening
himselfe is by casting his load vpon my backe as if J had brought him by former cōferences out of hope that any fruit would ever come of conferring with me Loath J am to rip vp those conferences whereof he maketh but a slippery loose relation In one of them the question betweene vs was whether the perswasion of faith concerning remission of sinnes eternall life whatsoever God doth promise vnto man be as free from doubting as the perswasion which we haue by sence concerning things tasted selt and seene For the negatiue J mentioned their example whose faith in Scripture is most commended and the experience which all faithfull men haue continually had of themselues For proofe of the affirmatiue which he held J desiring to haue some reason heard no thing but All good writers oftentimes inculcated At the length vpon request to see some one of them Peter Martyr's common places were brought where the leaues were turned downe at a place sounding to this effect that The Gospell doth make Christians more vertuous then morall Philosophie doth make Heathens which came not neere the question by many miles 22 In the other conference hee questioned about the matter of reprobation misliking first that I had tearmed God a permissiue and no positiue cause of the evil which the schoolemen doe call malum culpae secondly that to their obiection who say If I be elected do what I will I shall be saued I had answered that the will of God in this thing is not absolute but conditionall to saue his elect beleeuing fearing and obediently serving him Thirdly that to stop the mouthes of such as grudge repine against God for reiecting castawaies J had taught that they are not reiected no not in the purpose and counsell of God without a foreseene worthinesse of reiection going though not in time yet in order before For if Gods electing do in order as needs it must presuppose the foresight of their being that are elected though they be elected before they bee nor only the positiue foresight of their being but also the permissiue of their being miserable because electiō is through mercy and mercy doth alwaies presuppose miserie it followeth that the very chosen of God acknowledge to the praise of the riches of his exceeding free compassion that when he in his secret determination set it downe Those shall liue and not die they lay as vglie spectacles before him as lepers covered with dung mire as vlcers putrified in their fathers loines miserable wor thie to be had in detestation shall any forsaken creature be able to say vnto God Thou didst plunge me into the depth and assigne me vnto endlesse torments onely to satisfie thine owne will finding nothing in mee for which J could seeme in thy sight so well worthie to feele everlasting flames 23 When J saw that Mr Travers carped at these things only because they lay not open J promised at some cōvenient time to make them cleere as light both to him and all others Which if they that reproue mee will not grant me leaue to doe they must thinke that they are for some cause or other more desirous to haue me reputed an vnsound man then willing that my sincere meaning should appeare and be approued When J was farther asked what my groundes were J answered that Saint Paules wordes concerning this cause were my groundes His next demaunde what Author J did followe in expounding Saint Paule and gathering the doctrine out of his words against the iudgement he saith of All Churches and All good writers I was well assured that to controule this over-reaching speech the sentences which I might haue cited out of Church confessions togither with the best learned monuments of former times and not the meanest of our owne were mo in number then perhaps he would willingly haue hard of but what had this booted me For although he himselfe in generalitie do much vse those formall speeches All Churches and All good writers yet as he holdeth it in pulpit lawful to say in generall the Painims thinke this or the Heathens that but vtterly vnlawfull to cite anie sentence of theirs that say it so hee gaue mee at that time great cause to thinke that my particular alleadging of other mens words to shew their agreement with mine would as much haue displeased his minde as the thing it selfe for which it had beene alleadged For he knoweth how often hee hath in publique place bitten me for this although I did never in any sermon vse many of the sentences of other writers and do make most without any having alwaies thought it meetest neither to affect nor to contemne the vse of them 24 He is not ignorant that in the very entrance to the talke which we had privatly at that time to proue it vnlawfull altogither in preaching either for confirmation declaratiō or otherwise to cite any thing but mere canonicall scripture he brought in The scripture is given by inspiration and is profitable to teach improue c. Vrging much the vigour of these two clauses The man of God and every good worke If therefore the worke were good which he required at my hāds if privatly to shew why I thought the doctrin I had delivered to be according to S. Paules meaning were a good worke can they which take the place before alleaged for a law condemning every man of God who in doing the worke of preaching any way vseth humane authoritie like it in mee if in the worke of strengthning that which I had preached I should bring forth the testimonies and the sayings of mortall men I alleaged therfore that which might vnder no pretence in the worlde bee disallowed namelie reasons not meaning thereby my own reason as now it is reported but true sound divine reason reason whereby those conclusions might be out of S. Paule demonstrated and not probably discoursed of only reason proper to that science whereby the things of God are knowne Theologicall reason without principles in scripture that are plaine soundly deduceth more doubtfull inferences in such sort that being hard they cannot be denyed nor any thing repugnāt vnto them received but whatsoever was before otherwise by miscollecting gathered out of darke places is thereby forced to yeeld it selfe and the true cōsonant meaning of sentences not vnderstoode is brought to light This is the reason which I intended If it were possible for mee to escape the Ferula in any thing I do or speak I had vndoubtedly escaped it in this In this I did that which by some is inioined as the only allowable but granted by all as the most sure and safe way whereby to resolue things doubted of in matters appertaining to faith and christian religion So that Mr Travers had here smal cause given him to be weary of conferring vnlesle it were in other respects then that poore one which is here pretended that is to say the little hope hee had of doing mee any good by conference
the contrary I will open what many do conceiue of the Canon that concerneth this matter The Fathers of Trent perceived that if they should define of this matter it would be dangerous howsoeuer it were determined If they had freed her from her originall sinne the reasons against them are vnanswerable which Bonaventure and others do alleadge but especially Thomas whose line as much as may be they follow Againe if they did resolue the other way they should controll themselues in an other thing which in no case might be altered For they professe to keepe no daie holie in the honor of an vnholie thing and the Virgins conception they honor with a Feast which they could not abrogate without cancelling a constitution of Xystus quartus And that which is worse the worlde might perhaps herevpon suspect that if the Church of Rome did amisse before in this it is not impossible for her to faile in other things In the end they did wisely quote out their Canon by a middle thred establishing the feast of the Virgins conception and leaving the other question doubtfull as they found it giving only a caveat that no man should take the decree which pronounceth all menkind originallie sinfull for a definitiue sentence concerning the blessed Virgin This in my sight is plaine by their owne words Declarat haec ipsa sancta Synodus c wherefore our couÌ„trymen at Rhemes meÌ„tioning this point are marvelous warie how they speake they touch it as though it were a hot cole Many godly devout men iudge that our blessed Lady was neither borne nor conceived in sinne Is it their wâ—nt to speake nicely of things definitiuely set downe in that councell In like sort wee finde that the rest which haue since the time of the Tridentine Synod writen of originall sinne are in this point for the most part either silent or very sparing in speech and when they speake either doubtfull what to thinke or whatsoever they thinke themselues fearefull to set downe any certaine determination If I be thought to take the Canon of that councell otherwise then they themselues do let him expound it whose sentence was neither last asked nor his pen least occupied in setting it downe I meane Andradius whom Gregory the 13. hath allowed plainely to confesse that it is a matter which nether expresse evidence of Scripture nor the tradition of the Fathers nor the sentence of the Church hath determined that they are too surly and selfewilled which defending either opinion are displeased with them by whom the other is mainetained finallie that the Fathers of Trent haue not set downe any certainetie about this question but left it doubtfull and indifferent Now whereas my wordes which I had set downe in writing before I vttered them were indeed these Although they imagin that the mother of our Lord Iesus Christ were for his honour and by his speciall protection preserved cleane from all sinne yet concerning the rest they teach as wee do that all haue sinned Against my words they might with more pretence take exception because so many of them thinke she had sin which exception notwithstanding the proposition being indefinite and the matter contingent they cannot take because they grant that many whom they count graue devout amongst them thinke that she was cleere from all sin But whether Mr Travers did note my words himselfe or take them vpon the credit of some other mans noting the tables were faulty wherein it was noted All men sinners even the blessed Virgin WheÌ„ my speech was rather All men except the blessed Virgin To leaue this another fault he findeth that I said They teach Christs righteousnes to be the only meritorious cause of taking away sinne differ from vs only in the applying of it J did say do They teach as we doe that although Christ be the only meritorious cause of our iustice yet as a medicin which is made for health doth not heale by being made but by being applied So by the merits of Christ there can be no life nor iustification without the application of his merits But about the manner of applying Christ about the number power of meanes whereby he is applied we dissent from them This of our dissenting from them is acknowledged 14 Our agreement in the former is denied to bee such as J pretend Let their owne words therefore and mine concerning them be compared Doth not Andradius plainely confesse Our sinnes doth shut and onely the merits of Christ open the entring vnto blessednesse And Soto It is put for a ground that all since the fall of Adam obtaine salvation only by the passion of Christ howbeit as no cause can be effectuall without applying so neither can any man be saved to whom the suffering of Christ is not applyed In a word who not when the Councell of Trent reckoning vp the causes of our first instificatioÌ„ doth name no end but Gods glory and our felicitie no efficient but his mercy no instrumentall but baptisme no meritorious but Christ. whome to haue merited the taking away of no sinne but originall is not their opinion which himselfe wil find when hee hath well examined his witnesses Catharinus and Thomas Their Jesuits are marveilous angry with the men out of whose gleanings Mr Travers seemeth to haue taken this they opeÌ„ly disclaime it they say plainely of all the Catholiks there is no one that did ever so teach they make solemne protestation wee beleeue and professe that Christ vpon the Crosse hath altogether satisfied for all sinnes as well originall as actuall Indeed they teach that the merit of Christ doth not take away actuall sinne in such sort as it doth originall wherein if their doctrine had beene vnderstood J for my speech had never been accused As for the councell of Trent concerning inherent righteousnesse what doth it here No man doubteth but they make another formall cause of iustification then wee doe In respect whereof J haue shewed alreadie that wee disagree about the very esseÌ„ce of that which cureth our spirituall disease Most true it is which the graÌ„d Philosopher hath Every man iudgeth well of that which he knoweth therefore till we knowe the things throughly whereof wee iudge it is a point of iudgement to stay our iudgment 15 Thus much labour being spent in discovering the vnsoundnes of my doctrine some paines he taketh further to open faults in the maner of my teaching as that I bestowed my whole howre and more my time more then my time in discourses vtterly impertinent to my text Which if J had done it might haue past without complaining of to the Privie Counsell 16 But J did worse as he saith I left the expounding of the Scriptures and my ordinary calling and discoursed vpon schoolepoints and questions neither of edification nor of truth J read no lecture in the Law or in Physicke And except the bounds of ordinary calling may bee drawne like