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A27392 An answer to the dissenters pleas for separation, or, An abridgment of the London cases wherein the substance of those books is digested into one short and plain discourse. Bennet, Thomas, 1673-1728. 1700 (1700) Wing B1888; ESTC R16887 202,270 335

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as_o be_v promise_v you_o may_v conclude_v in_o mr._n hildersham_n word_n first_o either_o you_o have_v not_o seek_v it_o aright_o not_o with_o earnestness_n or_o not_o with_o a_o good_a heart_n or_o second_o if_o you_o have_v and_o do_v not_o find_v it_o at_o first_o yet_o you_o shall_v hereafter_o if_o you_o seek_v it_o here_o with_o a_o honest_a heart_n you_o will_v profit_v more_o by_o sermon_n if_o you_o will_v observe_v some_o rule_n deliver_v by_o the_o same_o author_n lect._n 26._o which_o now_o alas_o be_v general_o neglect_v one_o be_v that_o at_o your_o come_n into_o the_o congregation_n and_o during_o the_o whole_a time_n of_o your_o abode_n there_o you_o will_v behave_v yourselves_o reverent_o for_o a_o awful_a sense_n of_o god_n presence_n will_v be_v a_o excellent_a preparation_n to_o receive_v benefit_n by_o his_o service_n another_o rule_n be_v that_o we_o must_v all_o come_v to_o the_o begin_n of_o god_n public_a worship_n and_o tarry_v till_o all_o be_v do_v yea_o it_o be_v the_o duty_n of_o god_n people_n say_v he_o to_o be_v in_o god_n house_n before_o the_o beginning_n for_o it_o become_v they_o to_o wait_v for_o the_o minister_n of_o god_n and_o not_o to_o let_v he_o wait_v for_o they_o for_o he_o show_v that_o man_n may_v profit_v by_o all_o part_n of_o the_o service_n for_o say_v he_o as_o he_o that_o be_v away_o from_o any_o part_n of_o the_o sermon_n shall_v profit_v the_o less_o by_o that_o which_o he_o do_v hear_v so_o he_o '_o that_o be_v away_o from_o any_o part_n of_o the_o divine_a service_n get_v the_o less_o good_a by_o that_o at_o which_o he_o be_v present_a nay_o he_o say_v lect._n 28._o though_o we_o can_v receive_v no_o profit_n by_o the_o exercise_n use_v in_o our_o assembly_n yet_o we_o must_v be_v present_a at_o they_o all_o to_o do_v our_o homage_n unto_o god_n and_o show_v the_o reverent_a respect_n we_o have_v to_o his_o ordinance_n a_o three_o rule_n be_v that_o we_o ought_v to_o join_v with_o the_o congregation_n in_o 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