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A19895 D. Bancrofts rashnes in rayling against the Church of Scotland noted in an answere to a letter of a worthy person of England, and some reasons rendred, why the answere thereunto hath not hitherto come foorth. By I.D. a brother of the sayd Church of Scotland. Davidson, John, ca. 1549-1603. 1590 (1590) STC 6322; ESTC S120565 11,848 34

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not sufficient to beare downe PAVLE as a seditious mouer of the people because he professed preached and followed Iesus of Nazaret whom the Iewes most iniustly wickedly slewe as a seditious person and blasphemer by the meanes of two subborned false witnesses Why should the good brethren of England that seeke reformation be charged with a mind hereafter of sedition by the meanes of Discipline because the Church of Scotland in respect of the same Discipline exercised in it is vniustlie condemned of sedition by the hie Priests of our daies two false witnesses being alleaged for that purpose by their TERTVLLVS at Pauls Crosse I see no reason why they should Let not the comparison be odious because I compare not the persons in themselues but in the causes which haue their own likenes agrement in some proportion I haue insisted the more in this matter bicaus your cause and ours are most neer linked togeather For the aduersaries would terrifie her M. frō admitting of christian discipline within her realm for fear of like inconueniences to fal out therby to her quiet gouernmēt which are falsly alledged to haue fallē out by the same to our K. state How be it it be not good logicke to charge the good cause of discipline with any infamy by reason of the faults of the Ministers fauourers thereof yea euen put case they were sufficiently proued seeing that is but a sophisme from the person to the cause as they say How much lesse then ought it to be condemned when the aduersaries ar not able do their best to blot euen the persons by accusing of whom they labor to cōdemne the cause But I perswade my selfe that all this their paralogizing and false maner of reasoning shal helpe them and hurt vs as little in the ende as the sophistry of REHVM and his companions beyond the riuer helped their cause hindred the bulding of the Temple as the smooth Rhetoricke of TERTVLLVS preuailed not against PAVLE no more shall their course alwaies preuaile against the good cause in Englande Wherefore let GAI and ZACHARIAS do their parts faithfully and without fainting exhort al men acording to their callings to further this holy building not doubting but God in his time shall mooue DARIVS fully to authorise the building of Ierusalem howbeit through the injury of these daies men may bee forced to leaue of building for a season And let PAVL stand stoutly to the defence of his iust cause saying confidently Neither can they prooue the thinges whereof now they accuse me Act. 24. 13. And TERTVLLVS his maintainers shall finde themselues disappointed and PAVL by little and litle shal grow to some greater liberty and his cause shall preuaile in the end But nowe let vs come accordinge to your desire to the causes why that declamation of D. BANCROFTS so far as concerning Scotland is not answered wherein howbeit I am not to prejudge the church of Scotland yet for your further satisfaction I haue thought good to set downe the causes of the delay so far as euer I coulde learn or perceiue And first you may be assured that it was not for lacke of habilitie in the meanest of a thousand in Scotlande to haue confuted that calūnious chartale fraughted with as many lyes almost as it hath lines that it was not answered howsoeuer it pleaseth som of your grand DD. very learned men ye may be sure if they be not far deceued reprochefully to point out some of our wel approoued brethren and especially one by the note of like an vnlearned yea then a very vnlerned Scot Whome yet notwithstanding they neuer hard nor sawe more then D. BANCROFTE did heare and see the Church of Scotland and the things wherewith most rashly hee doth charge it But who is so bold as they say as blind bayard Yet if any ARISTARCHVS among them hath taken occasion of the writing of anye brother here so to speake let it bee judged by the learned what iust cause he had so to do I doubt not but he shalbe found to haue had litle learning and lesse conscience in so doing which is spoken not so much for the Apology of any man at this time as to note the disdainefull contempt of these hauty persons For he must be of very rare learning as not a few can beare me witnes in whom this sort for I speake not of all of the generation of Bishopists will acknowledge any learning to be if once directlie and seriously he oppone himselfe to their pride For as there is nothing wherin they commonly boast them selues more then in the beard shew of learning as thogh who forsooth but they onely So is there no shaft that oftner flieth out of their bag against others then the boult of lack learning Howbeit if it were not for auoiding of vncomly and vnchristian rendering of reproch for reproch it were no hard mater shortly to decipher the profound science of those two especially who were chief authors of that reproch to let thē vnderstand of what form classe among the learned learned men indeede did euer esteeme them to bee notwithstanding all the windye volumes written by them For Scribimus indocti doctique c. Howbeit yet I deny not so much knowledge vnto them otherwise as shall bee a witnes against them if they vse it not better as might profit the Church in some measure if they had grace to imploy it to the right end But to returne to our purpose as the answer was not delaied for lacke of sufficient qualified men amongest vs for that for a greater purpose God be praised if need be so it was thought needles superfluous here amongst our selues where the truth of those things alledged in that Pamphlet were so clearly known as there needed no other confutation of them then the shamelesse impudencie of themselues And as for the answere in respect of others it was delaied first as I take it for auoiding of vnhappy contention that is woont to arise vppon suche occasions wherby it might haue come to passe that daungerous alteration might haue bene wrought betweene the two Realmes as a godly and wise man of yours commending the discretion of our mē in that case did not conceal in a letter written to som of good account in our Countrey not long ago For the firebrand of selfeloue and great ardency of men in defending their owne sayings doings whatsoeuer suffereth thē not many times so much to regard the truth and peace of the church as their own stincking estimation whereof there is too great proofe in manifolde lamentable examples aswell of antiquity as of our own daies both far and neer to the timely admonition of vs all if aduisedly we consider of the counsaile of gods spirite saying The beginning of strife is as one that openeth the waters therefore or the contention be meddled with leaue off Which howbeit more fitly it may be applied to
owne heart and not out of the mouth of the Lord and who ran and runne when the Lord hath not sent them And last touching the printing againe and reprinting of that forged declaration at London and ioyning it to the chronicle of England where through some whome the Lorde hath called Gods thinking all cock sure take occasion of vpbraiding the Ministerie of our Countrie when it pleaseth them As these shall die ignominiously like men except they repent So what honour those haue procured thereby to their Country what credit to the chronicle therof let them brag of it when the vprightnes of our cause sufficiently cleared by this and the like writings shall iustifie it selfe to their faces and the true storie thereof that shall remaine registred to all posterities shall witnesse the honesty and duetifull dealing of our Church in al things to their shame Thus much then being spoken touching the former of the Chaplains two witnesses let vs nowe come to the other his inconstant Countrey-man as hee describeth him for as for mee hee shall bee no woorse then he himselfe maketh him the naming of whome belike might doe his cause more harme then his testimony can doe it good and therefore he contenteth him self with a very slender description of him so that not without a note of reproch in the end he sendes him packing in these wordes following This mans opinion heerein saith he I knowe wilbe greately contemned because I thinke hee hath bin of an other judgement c. Howebeit let him finde what fauour at their handes he shall I must indeede confesse that if this matter had onely depended vppon his report or opinion I would not at this time haue made mention of him Wherby you see what a wethercock he maketh of him and howe rediculously he leaueth him to beg credite where hee may finde it for he can giue him none Here I omitt to make mention of the Iar that is fallen out since betweene our Chapleine and his suborned witnes for that that vpon no fair promise of recompense hee coulde procure newe furniture at his hands of some more particular matter against the newe onset that with long preparation he hath intended against vs Seeing then that no mans pen nor tong can more discredite this his second witnes then he doth him self partly by the wordes aboue rehearsed partly by the D. words following in his declamation where he flatly again maketh him to be of a changeable humor If he drink no better by his meanes then hee hath brewed let him blame himself vnderstanding that euil aduise is worst to the aduiser I will not speake at this time of the shameles falsehoode that is alleadged out of the testimonye it selfe which whensoeuer it shalbe particularly examined will make the D. repent that euer hee cited such a testimony specially where most impudently it is affirmed that hee hath knowne the Kinge in greate danger and feare of his life by their lordly Discipline the contrary whereof as it is cleerely knowen to al the worthie persons Ambassadors of England who haue had their long residence here amonge vs and priuate intelligence of al our affaires after an other manner then euer his wandring witnesse coulde attaine vnto so is it many wayes affirmed by the K. himselfe and daylie experience God be praised doth confirm the same Both the Chaplaines authors then being such prettie fellowes as hath bin declared I trust it be not hard to bee seene how little credit is to bee giuen to his declamation grounded vppon their railing reports to leaue the demōstration of the falshood of the matter vttered by them to the owne time and place For he should haue considered that of how little credit soeuer he was himselfe yet it behoued his witnesses to be free of infamy according to the saying a Proctor may be infamous but not a witnes But it seemeth that either he was not greatly careful of his own name who would repose vppon the cracked credits of such defamed persons in so waighty a matter or els he thought as GYGES did by means of his ring to walke inuisible as in a cloud that none could or would espy his nakednes But good man he is far deceiued as by the answere to his seuerall asseuerations if neede be more throughly sensibly he shall vnderstand It is easie then to be seene how far short the Chaplaine hath come in probation of the alleadged treasonable outlandish practises of men of the new gouernment as scoffingly he calleth the vrgers of Reformation whereof he would seeme to take such feare that except good order be taken to preuent the like at hoame thinges will grow to some extremities pag. of his booke 83. And therefore I trust the Q. M. and her honorable Councell will see this surmised proposition of danger of outlandish practises by the meanes of Christian Discipline to be somwhat better proued before they will feare any danger to insue to their state through the same yea and I thinke if they knew but euen so much as heere truly I haue set downe to you Sir in this short discourse touching this matter as the cause of christian disciplin shuld euen be the better liked of them all seing it the fauorers of it to be so shamefully belied So the D. patrons in this case shuld pride themselues but a little of that slanderous declamation thinke them and their cause but smally beholden vnto it what euer hath bene their opinion thereof before For let any wise man iudge if one eg can be more like another then the D. maner of reasoning is to that forme that REHVM SHIMSHAI the rest of the mē bejond the riuer vsed in a letter to K. ART AHSHASHTE for hindering the building of Ierusalem EZ 4. saue only that the iudgemēt of them beyond the riuer was found to be in the authentik bokes of the chronicles according as was alleadged by them our chaplains argumēt leaneth only vpon the counterfeit forged chartales of known and confessed infamous persons a false Chronical grounded thereupon Wherefore if their authentike books of Chronicles did not truly conuince Ierusalem to be a rebellious citie to kings and prouinces of what force should this Chaplaines infamous libel be I pray you against the good brethren of England to proue that they will be rebellious to their Princes if that christiā disciplin be admitted to haue place within that land For as Ierusalem was not a rebellious citie to kings prouinces indeed howbeit the books of their Chronicles did beare so So the exercisers of christian discipline in Scotland are not necessarily to be accounted rebellious to the K. for exercising of the same howbeit the bookes of the register of the acts of Scotland did containe the same Howe much lesse then ought false surmised forgeries of known infamous men haue credite in that case And if the enuy of the sect of the Nazarites vrged by prophane TERTVLLVS is