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A10269	Certaine questions by way of conference betwixt a chauncelor and a kinswoman of his concerning the churching of women		1601 (1601)	STC 20557; ESTC S105979	24,479	73

Certaine Questions by way of Conference betwixt a Chauncelor and a Kinswoman of his concerning Churching of Women 1601. Certeine questions by way of conference betwixt a Chauncelor and a kinswoman of his concerning Churching of Women Chauncelor TRulie Cousen I am sorie that you should thus vpō a pievish conceite of yours bring your self into this vn-necessarie trouble for a trifle and matter of nothing as it were Woman If you be sorie indeed as you pretende then you might haue let me alone and not haue caused your Apparitor to serue me as he did with Citation for assure your selfe if you had not troubled me I would never haue troubled my selfe about this trifle you speake of Chauncelor Nay I must not do so I must deale indifferentlie you know and not be partiall though you be my kinswoman Th'information being against you as well as others your name being presēted to me by the church Wardens with other women moe if I should leaue you out and proceed against them I should not doe that which were fitting for my place and office you know I am sworne to doe iustice Woman Indeed your office and place afoordes much iustice if it be well observed as ordinarie iustice as Billinsgate doeth loue friendship for a boxe of th' eare you are sworne you saye and will not that oath of yours alow you to shew as much favor and kindnesse to your kinswoman in a trifle as to a stranger that is no kinne to you in a matter of weight Chauncelor O I knowe where you are now I thought where you would bee straight I knew I should heare of it you meane mistres A.B. But in good faith your Minister did her wrong neither had he anie law to warrant him to doe that he vrged her vnto I cōfesse she made a fault before she was maried but the man you know made her amendes and I doe not heare but that they liue orderly and well nowe notwithstandinge all which your hotte spirited Minister of spight malice as itis thought would haue put them both to open penance if I had not stucke close to them Woman Mercifull Christ what neede anie witnesse to be produced against you when your owne mouth doeth so apparantlie cōdemne you The gentlewoman you confesse made a fault and what was that fault but simple Fornicatiō at the least For the which our Minister would haue done that which belonged vnto him if you would haue lett him and that whiche I take it by your leaue the Booke of common Prayer it selfe doeth warrant him to doe and you by your owne confession withstoode him in that good purpose of his Nowe surely my good man this is a sinne amongest others that you must repent of otherwise it wil be woe with you And I pray you tel me one thing Mistres A. B. is a straunger to you and I am your kinswoman her fault cover it shadow it as you will was vncleannesse at the least and that which you trouble mee for is but a Ceremonie as your self confesse a matter of no moment What warrant haue you then so stiflie to stande with her in her sinne and to deale thus sharplie with me and others in a thing indifferent or a matter of nothing Chauncelor Well gentle kinswoman seeing you are so snappish over-busying yourself in other folkes matters that apperteine not vnto you I pray you let me heare now how handsomely you can answere for your selfe Woman With whose matters did I medle I pray you did not you first name mistresse A. B. your selfe Chauncelor All is one for that I know you meant her when you said that my oath might as well alow me to shew fauour to my kinswoman in a trifle as to a strāger in a matter of weight Woman Well be it so then If your conscience did accuse you looke you to that But what haue you now to say to me and what is the cause why you haue sent for me Chauncelor You neede not aske you know it well enough I am sure It is for your foolish nicenesse in this trifling matter of Churching And I pray you in good sadnesse what reason haue you why you refuse to be Churched Woman If it be as you say a trifle the more to blame you to trouble your friends in so trifling a cause But what doe you meane by Churching Doe you meane that which is sett downe in the Booke Chauncelor Iust I meane that and none other For law will not warrant vs to presse you to any other Woman No nor I thinke to that neither if it be well examined But seeing you meane that kinde of Churching The reason in a woord why I refuse it is this Because I would be loth to shew my selfe either Iew or Papist Chauncelor Why will thankesgiuing to God after Childbirth make you a lew or a Papist Woman No Thankesgiuing will not But this manner of thankesgiving that you would haue me to obserue is in trueth no thanksgiving at all but a meere Iewish or Popish Purifying Chauncelor How doe you proove it to be no thankesgiuing Woman By the verie first institution of it For the Papistes that were the woorshipfull founders and devisers of it and knew best their own meaning did in the instituting of it giue it this title The Purification of Women after Childbirth Whereby it is manifest that their very drift and intent in th'institution was only for a Purification or Purging and therefore no thankesgiving Secondly there is no one woord matter or forme of thankesgiuing in the whole order of it as it is set downe in the booke and therefore it can not be that it was ordayned for Thankesgivinge though in the title thereof it be absurdlie so called Chauncelor But why doe you tearme it a Iewish or a Popish Purifying Woman It is Iewish in 2 respectes First in that the woman after she hath brought foorth a childe is held vncleane as vnder the Law til such time as she hath shewed herselfe in the Temple Secondlie in that shee is commanded to offer her accustomed offeringes which is drawen deriued from the Lamb and young Pigeons vnder the Law Popish it is in 3 respectes First in that it was instituted and devised by the Rapistes apishlie imitating the Iewes and bringing in one kinde of Purifying in steade of another Secondly in that the woman is commaunded to come as neare the communion table as in the time of popery they came to the high Altar Lastlie in regard of the Popish offeringe to weete the Chrisome For she is commaunded to offer th' accustomed offeringes which is sete downe to be the Chrisome In which regard you may as instlie trouble me and cal me hither for not offering the Chrisome as for not being purifyed and as good law you haue for th' one as th' other whiche makes me thinke as I sayed before that you haue no law amongest you but onelie the lawlesse law of your will and

Savior you see defended his Disciples in the breach of that Decencie of those Pharisees of that age and his woord doth warrant and defende vs in the breach of this supposed Decencie of your Pharisses of this age Chauncelor Nay then yea faith if yee goe to that ye may take your selues by the nose Mistres Cousen For who the Devill be the right Pharisses Hypocrites if yee be not Ye are so demure and ye make it so nice and so holy amōgst you that by the Masse a dogge would not dwell with you Woman I perceyue if a dogge dwelt with you if you could but make him speake once you would quicklie teach him to sweare Chauncelor O that is all your grace amongst you you thinke your selues so pure over other men because you can a litle bridle your selues from swearing and yet ye wil doe tenne times woorse and make no bones at it As couetous as spitefull and malicious yee are the most of you as dogges I knowe one of your crew who would not sweare for no good and vsed ordinarilie to pray with his mē in his chamber and yet beeing at a Knights house where hee had good entertaynemēt they prayed so hartilie amongst them that for conscience sake they faire thwited me of a valence of a bedde and caried that a piece of plate with them to the value of twentie nobles at the least Woman Well though this peradventure may be one of your legend stories for any thing I know yet alow it to be true what gette you by that one sinne you know excuseth not another These were hypocrites theeves therefore you to avoide this daunger will needes be swearers ruffeans what physike or policie call you that to avoid Hypocrisie by plaine and open iniquitie Chauncelor Why I doe not defend swearing to bee good woman you doe not heare me say so I wish I could leaue it with all my heart It is but a foolish custome and comes from me at vnawares and that many times whē I thinke no harme in the world Woman Th' Apostle is against you in that for he sayeth Out of the aboundance of the heart the mouth speaketh And our Saviour saieth That out of the heart comes evill thoughts and yet you can droppe vile oathes amongst you such is your skill thinke no harme I must needes commend you for this by meanes whereof you haue brought one notable thing to passe in our Church and I wish for my part yee were Chronicled for it Chauncelor What is that good gossipper Woman Why That albeit there be many Parishes amongest vs without a preaching Minister yet to mende the matter there bee few Dioces in the lande without a swearing Chauncelor Chauncelor That is more thē you know good huswife But if it were so I doe not thinke but the woorst Chauncelor amongst vs doeth more good then many of your vpstart and busie headed Preachers pratlers I should say Woman Well to let that rest as it is for if there by any thing amisse wee should doe wrong to looke for amendes from you you see evidentlie that th' example which I alleadged of our Saviour Christ in reproving the Pharisees and defendinge his Disciples in their refusall of that trifle of washing of handes is both a check to you for thus troubling of vs without cause a good warrant for vs to doe as we doe Chauncelor Doe I see it I promise you I must gette me better spectacles then then ever I could yet light on Woman Well if you doe not see it I must needes holde with you that your spectacles are starke naught in deede But whether you doe see it or will not see it it is and ought to be a lesson of instruction to vs whom you now thus trouble That whensoeuer anie Pharisaicall hypocrites doe strictlie vrge and presse the keeping of their owne traditions bee they neuer so small and trifling with the neglect of the cōmandements of God then it is our partes by all lawfull body meanes to bende our selues against them and not to yeelde to th'observation of the least of them much lesse when the Traditions shal be noisome hurtfull and superstitious and derogatorie to the glorie of God Chauncelor In good faith it was neuer merrie world since these twatling women became divines I see I do but spend time with you And yet when you haue sayd and done all that you can for your life it will be founde as I haue said but a trifle that you stand vppon whereas the peace of the Church is or ought to bee to you a matter of great moment and a thing that you ought daily to pray for if you haue as you pretend any conscience with you or regard of brotherlie loue with a defire to mainteine vnitie and to avoyde iarres dissentions Woman We are I confesse to pray for the peace of Syon For they shall prosper that loue her But what Is the Church now become a maynteiner of trifles By your speaches so often iterated and redoubled for you harpe still on that string it should bee so and what indignitie were that But in deede as I haue told you the thing we stand vpon if it be rightlie examined is not in that nature of indifferencie as you would beare the world in hande it is make of it what you will either Thankesgiving or Purifying if it be Thankesgiving indeed it is my bounden duetie say I to performe it and a sinne to leaue it vndone If it bee Purifying it is my bounden duetie to avoyde it and a sinne to practise it because it treadeth vnder foote the sufficiencie of of the death and bloudsheading of IESVS Christ which is th'onlie purgation of my sinne So that turne it which way you will it is no light matter or trifle of small regarde as you would haue it but a thinge that one way or other greatly concerneth the glorie of God therein also you seeme to me apparantlie to crosse entangle ensnare your selfe in your owne speaches Chauncelor How so I pray you Woman I haue tolde you alreadie and that so often that I am halfe wearie of telling it But sure your minde is so on your haulfpenie that you neither remember what I say nor thinke on that you say your selfe Haue you not alwayes called this Churching of yours a Thankesgiving and haue you not laboured by the title of it in the Booke to defende it to be a Thankesgiuing and no Purifying Chauncelor Yes that I haue and so I say still Woman Why then I saye for shame away with this trifle and trifling of yours and let vs heare no more of that For Thankesgiving you know must needes be a part of Gods woorship and seruice And what an impious vngodly thing were it to make the holy woorship and seruice of God a trifle a matter of nothing not worth a rush or a thing to bee done or not done at our pleasures I protest vnto you if it