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always_o observe_v in_o the_o day_n of_o cloâ—harius_n in_o france_n which_o of_o they_o he_o mean_v i_o know_v not_o there_o be_v three_o of_o that_o name_n the_o first_o of_o they_o be_v about_o the_o year_n 560._o the_o last_o a_o hundred_o year_n after_o now_o if_o the_o infancy_n of_o this_o usage_n be_v so_o late_o and_o it_o grow_v by_o degree_n the_o adult_n state_n of_o it_o must_v be_v as_o indeed_o it_o be_v a_o very_a novel_a device_n of_o man_n to_o subject_a religion_n to_o their_o lusts._n sect._n 19_o 3._o i_o deny_v that_o on_o that_o alteration_n of_o government_n in_o the_o state_n there_o be_v either_o great_a reason_n than_o before_o or_o any_o reason_n for_o prince_n to_o interpose_v so_o in_o the_o election_n of_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n as_o to_o take_v it_o out_o of_o the_o people_n hand_n that_o there_o be_v no_o great_a reason_n then_o before_o i_o prove_v both_o because_o he_o can_v show_v we_o such_o reason_n and_o also_o because_o before_o this_o there_o be_v tumult_n and_o confusion_n which_o may_v require_v the_o magistrate_n interposition_n and_o also_o because_o the_o christian_a emperor_n have_v as_o much_o power_n over_o the_o church_n in_o their_o large_a dominion_n as_o christian_a king_n can_v pretend_v to_o in_o their_o lesser_a kingdom_n no_o difference_n in_o this_o can_v be_v assign_v either_o from_o any_o grant_n of_o christ_n to_o the_o one_o more_o than_o to_o the_o other_o nor_o from_o sound_a reason_n that_o which_o the_o dr._n bring_v for_o a_o reason_n be_v none_o at_o all_o to_o wit_n the_o northern_a prince_n endow_v church_n liberal_o for_o 1._o do_v not_o the_o emperor_n so_o too_o coâ—stantin's_n liberality_n be_v excee_v great_a which_o occasion_v that_o say_n hodie_fw-la veninum_fw-la infusum_fw-la est_fw-la in_o ecclesiam_fw-la and_o yet_o he_o lay_v not_o out_o that_o treasure_n to_o purchase_v the_o right_n that_o christ_n have_v give_v to_o his_o people_n 2._o the_o liberality_n be_v no_o sufficient_a price_n to_o purchase_v gospel_n privilege_n from_o they_o that_o christ_n have_v grant_v they_o to_o more_o than_o jacob_n pottage_n be_v for_o esâ—us's_n birthright_n it_o be_v a_o conceit_n unworthy_a of_o a_o divine_a and_o only_o fit_a for_o simon_n magus_n that_o the_o liberality_n of_o prince_n or_o other_o to_o the_o church_n can_v entitle_v they_o to_o be_v master_n of_o her_o privilege_n as_o there_o be_v no_o more_o reason_n now_o then_o before_o so_o there_o neither_o be_v nor_o be_v any_o reason_n at_o all_o why_o magistrate_n shall_v mâ—dle_v with_o the_o election_n of_o church_n officer_n because_o it_o be_v the_o people_n right_a by_o christ_n institution_n and_o have_v be_v own_v by_o the_o church_n and_o the_o magistrate_n for_o many_o age_n as_o have_v be_v show_v above_o sect._n 20._o the_o dr._n say_v that_o after_o the_o solemn_a assembly_n of_o the_o people_n come_v to_o be_v much_o use_v these_o privilege_n in_o election_n of_o churchman_n of_o prince_n come_v not_o only_o to_o be_v confirm_v by_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o people_n but_o to_o be_v enlarge_v this_o he_o insist_v much_o upon_o afterwards_o allege_v that_o the_o people_n of_o england_n by_o their_o representative_n in_o parliament_n have_v give_v away_o their_o power_n of_o elecâ—ion_n and_o put_v it_o into_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o magistrate_n bishop_n and_o other_o patron_n a_o s._n 1._o i_o deny_v that_o the_o people_n can_v give_v away_o this_o right_n it_o be_v christ_n legacy_n to_o they_o and_o not_o alienable_a by_o they_o it_o do_v concern_v their_o soul_n not_o their_o temporal_a estate_n and_o such_o concern_v be_v not_o at_o man_n disposal_n 2._o i_o deny_v that_o this_o be_v do_v people_n never_o give_v away_o this_o right_n it_o be_v partly_o by_o violence_n and_o partly_o by_o fraud_n wrest_v out_o of_o their_o hand_n what_o he_o say_v of_o the_o parliament_n give_v it_o away_o wherein_o the_o people_n be_v represent_v be_v a_o mistake_n for_o the_o people_n be_v represent_v in_o parliament_n as_o they_o be_v member_n of_o the_o body_n politic_a and_o they_o intru_v all_o their_o worldly_a interest_n and_o life_n and_o estate_n to_o they_o who_o they_o choose_v and_o they_o may_v dispose_v of_o these_o by_o make_v law_n to_o secure_v they_o and_o also_o to_o take_v they_o away_o when_o the_o public_a good_a do_v so_o require_v but_o they_o be_v not_o there_o represent_v as_o they_o be_v member_n of_o the_o church_n neither_o do_v they_o or_o can_v they_o entrust_v the_o parliament_n with_o the_o concern_v of_o their_o soul_n or_o the_o church_n right_n and_o privilege_n these_o christ_n have_v make_v law_n about_o and_o no_o man_n can_v make_v law_n about_o they_o all_o that_o man_n can_v do_v in_o reference_n to_o these_o be_v ministerial_a not_o magisterial_a as_o act_n of_o parliament_n be_v it_o be_v to_o declare_v christ_n law_n and_o to_o put_v they_o in_o execution_n and_o christ_n have_v not_o entrust_v king_n nor_o parliament_n with_o these_o affair_n but_o only_o his_o minister_n and_o the_o people_n can_v entrust_v no_o other_o with_o they_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o this_o discourse_n of_o the_o dr_n on_o which_o all_o of_o it_o be_v build_v be_v his_o confound_v of_o church_n and_o state_n with_o erastus_n which_o be_v to_o mingle_v heaven_n and_o earth_n sect._n 21._o he_o say_v the_o prince_n obtain_v by_o degree_n not_o only_o the_o confirmation_n of_o the_o election_n bâ—t_v the_o liberty_n of_o nomination_n with_o a_o shadow_n of_o election_n by_o the_o clergy_n and_o other_o of_o the_o court_n as_o appear_v by_o the_o formula_fw-la of_o marculphus_n answ._n here_o be_v plain_a deal_n both_o to_o let_v we_o see_v what_o fraudulent_a way_n be_v use_v to_o cheat_v the_o people_n of_o their_o right_n by_o leave_v a_o shadow_n of_o election_n when_o the_o substance_n be_v take_v away_o and_o also_o that_o prince_n be_v not_o in_o ancient_a possession_n of_o this_o privilege_n that_o they_o behove_v by_o such_o policy_n to_o wind_v themselves_o into_o and_o further_o that_o it_o be_v so_o gross_o evil_a that_o prince_n be_v ashamed_a open_o to_o own_o such_o a_o power_n over_o the_o church_n but_o must_v thus_o hide_v the_o shame_n of_o this_o practice_n if_o they_o have_v a_o good_a title_n why_o leave_v they_o a_o shadow_n of_o election_n if_o not_o why_o do_v they_o assume_v the_o substance_n of_o it_o he_o cit_v on_o the_o margin_n in_o confirmation_n of_o this_o grant_v make_v to_o king_n several_a act_n of_o council_n as_o council_n aurelian_a an._n 549._o but_o this_o destroy_v his_o cause_n for_o can._n 3._o which_o i_o suppose_v be_v that_o he_o aim_v at_o dâ—th_v bare_o name_v the_o king_n who_o interest_n in_o all_o church_n matter_n no_o man_n deny_v so_o far_o as_o the_o peace_n of_o the_o state_n be_v concern_v in_o tâ—em_n but_o express_o require_v the_o election_n of_o the_o clergy_n and_o people_n and_o again_o their_o consent_n and_o moreover_o make_v this_o election_n a_o clero_fw-la &_o plebe_fw-la to_o be_v as_o it_o be_v write_v in_o the_o ancient_a canon_n council_n aurelan_n 2._o can._n 7._o do_v also_o express_o mention_v popular_a eâ—ection_n and_o council_n aurelian_a 3._o can._n 2._o do_v require_v their_o consent_n and_o council_n aurelian_a 4._o can._n 4._o require_v a_o bishop_n to_o be_v ordain_v in_o his_o church_n to_o which_o he_o be_v elect_v decreto_fw-la that_o be_v the_o ordinary_a term_n for_o the_o write_n wherein_o the_o people_n election_n be_v contain_v and_o in_o all_o these_o canon_n there_o be_v not_o one_o word_n of_o the_o magistrate_n except_o in_o the_o first_o as_o abovesaid_a his_o council_n tarracoâ—_n i_o can_v find_v council_n tolet._n 12._o that_o he_o cit_v be_v in_o the_o end_n of_o the_o seven_o century_n when_o corruption_n be_v come_v to_o a_o great_a height_n and_o it_o be_v but_o provincial_a it_o say_v indeed_o quoscunque_fw-la pâ—testas_fw-la regius_fw-la â—lâ—gerit_fw-la but_o the_o people_n election_n be_v not_o exlude_v though_o not_o mention_v and_o there_o be_v a_o express_v salvo_fw-la it_o be_v the_o 6_o can._n for_o the_o liberty_n of_o the_o province_n which_o can_v well_o be_v understand_v but_o of_o the_o privilege_n of_o the_o people_n of_o the_o province_n sect._n 22._o he_o tell_v we_o of_o great_a contest_v between_o the_o papal_a and_o regal_a power_n and_o how_o the_o latter_a prevail_v in_o england_n and_o cit_v several_a act_n of_o parliament_n as_o of_o edward_n 6_o and_o other_o aâ—sw_n what_o do_v all_o this_o prove_v if_o two_o contend_v about_o a_o three_o person_n estate_n and_o the_o one_o prevail_v against_o the_o other_o doâ—h_o that_o give_v he_o a_o title_n we_o deny_v that_o either_o pope_n or_o prince_n have_v a_o right_a to_o that_o they_o strive_v about_o and_o
ordinance_n of_o god._n 3._o any_o variation_n of_o their_o opinion_n about_o their_o wash_n from_o our_o opinion_n about_o our_o ceremony_n that_o can_v be_v observe_v arise_v from_o the_o difference_n that_o be_v between_o their_o church_n and_o ordinance_n and_o we_o and_o so_o can_v make_v their_o imposition_n unlawful_a if_o we_o be_v lawful_a for_o god_n have_v appoint_v wash_n for_o remove_v of_o ceremonial_a uncleanness_n which_o affect_v both_o soul_n and_o body_n to_o wit_n at_o the_o touch_v of_o the_o dead_a or_o any_o unclean_a thing_n and_o all_o 〈◊〉_d jew_n know_v that_o antecedent_o to_o the_o command_n no_o uncleannesâ—â—ould_v be_v contract_v by_o these_o touch_v nor_o remove_v by_o these_o wash_n the_o rabbi_n in_o the_o apostate_n state_n of_o that_o church_n add_v such_o like_a observation_n to_o god_n out_o of_o a_o desire_n of_o more_o ample_a strictness_n and_o that_o their_o purity_n may_v be_v more_o conspicuous_a know_v well_o that_o before_o the_o command_n these_o thing_n be_v in_o the_o same_o state_n that_o the_o other_o thing_n be_v in_o before_o god_n command_n just_o so_o do_v our_o church_n god_n have_v institute_v some_o ceremony_n for_o his_o own_o honour_n and_o edification_n of_o his_o people_n so_o as_o we_o all_o know_v that_o antecedent_o to_o his_o command_n they_o be_v indifferent_a thing_n as_o water_n bread_n and_o wine_n and_o the_o church_n not_o content_a with_o these_o add_v some_o other_o ceremony_n for_o further_a honour_v of_o god_n to_o wit_n make_v his_o worship_n more_o decent_a and_o further_a edification_n stir_v up_o the_o dull_a mind_n of_o man_n yet_o protest_v that_o antecedent_o to_o their_o command_n these_o thing_n be_v indifferent_a be_v not_o here_o a_o exact_a parallel_n if_o it_o be_v say_v that_o the_o rabbi_n think_v the_o thing_n that_o they_o enjoin_v to_o be_v comprehend_v under_o god_n command_v worship_n before_o they_o enjoin_v they_o this_o be_v deny_v and_o the_o contrary_n be_v evident_a from_o christ_n reason_v with_o they_o he_o all_o along_o make_v a_o distinction_n between_o god_n command_n and_o their_o tradition_n which_o they_o may_v easy_o have_v object_v against_o if_o they_o have_v pretend_v a_o command_n of_o god_n for_o the_o thing_n that_o they_o by_o tradition_n impose_v sect._n 10._o in_o order_n to_o the_o prove_v his_o opinion_n in_o this_o matter_n he_o say_v p._n 339._o that_o the_o reason_n of_o christ_n oppose_v the_o pharisee_n be_v not_o because_o a_o thing_n in_o itself_o unnecessary_a be_v determine_v by_o their_o superior_n but_o because_o of_o the_o superstitious_a opinion_n that_o the_o pharisee_n have_v about_o these_o wash_n here_o be_v a_o wrong_a state_n of_o the_o question_n hint_v we_o never_o quarrel_v with_o superior_n for_o determine_v a_o thing_n in_o itself_o unnecessary_a we_o know_v they_o may_v determine_v this_o time_n and_o that_o place_v of_o worship_n and_o yet_o neither_o of_o these_o in_o itself_o be_v necessary_a see_v another_o time_n or_o place_n may_v do_v as_o well_o but_o the_o question_n be_v whether_o superior_n may_v determine_v a_o thing_n that_o be_v not_o at_o all_o needful_a to_o be_v determine_v as_o the_o habit_n gesture_n etc._n etc._n and_o appropriate_v this_o their_o determination_n to_o religious_a worship_n that_o so_o it_o shall_v be_v do_v in_o worship_n though_o it_o be_v not_o so_o do_v in_o other_o action_n and_o this_o without_o warrant_n from_o the_o lord_n who_o we_o worship_n his_o proof_n that_o the_o pharisee_n be_v condemn_v only_o because_o of_o their_o superstitious_a opinion_n and_o if_o this_o only_o be_v not_o understand_v by_o the_o dr._n he_o speak_v not_o to_o the_o point_n in_o hand_n be_v two_o from_o the_o force_n of_o our_o saviour_n reason_v thus_o than_o he_o argueâ—â—_n p._n 340._o he_o prove_v that_o they_o set_v up_o their_o tradition_n above_o the_o law_n of_o god_n as_o in_o the_o vow_n corban_n the_o force_n of_o which_o argument_n extend_v to_o all_o that_o they_o observe_v because_o of_o the_o tradition_n of_o their_o ancestor_n therefore_o they_o think_v these_o thing_n please_v to_o god_n and_o that_o man_n conscience_n be_v strict_o oblige_v to_o observe_v they_o this_o be_v the_o sum_n of_o the_o drs._n argument_n to_o which_o the_o answer_n be_v obvious_a to_o wit_n that_o this_o do_v not_o at_o all_o prove_v that_o the_o pharisee_n think_v these_o thing_n oblige_v antecedent_o to_o their_o tradition_n which_o be_v the_o only_a thing_n in_o question_n christ_n reason_v prove_v no_o more_o but_o that_o they_o have_v a_o undue_a esteem_n of_o their_o own_o authority_n and_o do_v upon_o the_o matter_n equal_v it_o with_o if_o not_o prefer_v it_o to_o that_o of_o god_n by_o lay_v such_o stress_n on_o thing_n that_o stand_v mere_o on_o their_o authority_n but_o he_o do_v not_o so_o much_o as_o hint_n that_o they_o think_v these_o thing_n antecedent_o oblige_v or_o that_o the_o omit_v of_o they_o will_v have_v defile_v the_o conscience_n though_o there_o have_v be_v no_o such_o tradition_n be_v not_o our_o case_n parallel_v to_o they_o in_o this_o we_o say_v the_o ceremony_n oblige_v not_o there_o be_v no_o sin_n in_o not_o observe_v they_o nor_o indecency_n in_o not_o use_v they_o antecedent_o to_o the_o law_n so_o do_v the_o pharisee_n of_o their_o wash_n and_o if_o they_o be_v zealous_a for_o their_o wash_n be_v not_o you_o so_o to_o as_o great_a a_o degree_n for_o your_o ceremony_n when_o impose_v what_o disobedience_n ungovernableness_n contempt_n of_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n and_o indecency_n in_o it_o be_v we_o charge_v with_o and_o we_o be_v prosecute_v with_o more_o rigour_n for_o neglect_n of_o these_o than_o other_o be_v for_o the_o high_a immorality_n be_v not_o this_o to_o prefer_v your_o tradition_n to_o god_n law_n do_v not_o you_o make_v void_a the_o law_n of_o god_n neglect_v love_n study_v unity_n mercy_n etc._n etc._n for_o these_o your_o tradition_n sect._n 11._o but_o say_v the_o dr._n the_o pharisee_n think_v a_o man_n conscience_n defile_v if_o he_o do_v not_o observe_v the_o tradition_n as_o appear_v by_o christ_n subsequent_a discourse_n show_v what_o it_o be_v that_o defile_v a_o man_n and_o what_o not_o a._n this_o they_o think_v only_o because_o they_o have_v put_v these_o thing_n in_o that_o state_n by_o their_o tradition_n but_o never_o teach_v that_o these_o thing_n will_v have_v defile_v the_o man_n if_o there_o have_v be_v no_o such_o tradition_n and_o do_v not_o our_o brethren_n think_v that_o omit_v the_o ceremony_n now_o enjoin_v defile_v a_o man_n do_v they_o not_o think_v the_o nonconformist_n have_v need_n of_o repentance_n and_o pardon_n for_o their_o nonconformity_n if_o they_o think_v not_o so_o why_o do_v they_o so_o blame_v and_o prosecute_v they_o the_o dr._n conclude_v p._n 341._o that_o the_o main_a thing_n in_o question_n be_v whether_o this_o ceremony_n of_o wash_a hand_n can_v be_v omit_v without_o defile_v the_o conscience_n otherwise_o say_v he_o our_o saviour_n conclusion_n do_v not_o reach_v the_o question_n this_o be_v a_o great_a mistake_n though_o it_o be_v no_o hazard_n to_o our_o cause_n to_o grant_v it_o for_o this_o question_n be_v but_o consequential_a to_o another_o to_o wit_n whether_o the_o church_n have_v power_n to_o institute_v ceremony_n such_o as_o christ_n have_v not_o institute_v and_o then_o charge_v people_n with_o sin_n and_o not_o keep_v a_o good_a conscience_n for_o not_o observe_v they_o this_o be_v the_o main_a question_n as_o appear_v by_o his_o reprove_v they_o for_o make_v such_o tradition_n and_o for_o bring_v the_o commandment_n of_o man_n into_o god_n worship_n our_o saviour_n conclusion_n that_o he_o speak_v of_o to_o wit_n his_o discourse_n about_o what_o defile_v a_o man_n be_v not_o the_o thing_n he_o first_o intend_v to_o prove_v to_o wit_n by_o his_o reprove_v they_o for_o their_o tradition_n for_o the_o conclusion_n of_o that_o argument_n be_v that_o man_n ought_v 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command_v by_o god_n nor_o necessary_o connect_v with_o the_o soul_n exercise_v in_o worship_n by_o nature_n and_o dictate_v by_o it_o nor_o be_v by_o civil_a custom_n make_v a_o fit_a expression_n of_o the_o inward_a exercise_n of_o the_o soul_n in_o that_o worship_n but_o be_v only_o impose_v by_o the_o will_n of_o man_n be_v unlawful_a to_o be_v use_v in_o that_o worship_n but_o kneel_v in_o the_o act_n of_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n be_v such_o ergo_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o major_n be_v clear_a for_o that_o must_v in_o that_o case_n be_v will-worship_n the_o minor_a be_v prove_v by_o what_o be_v say_v and_o the_o conclusion_n follow_v â—iâ—syllogistica_fw-la sect._n 11._o another_o ground_n of_o our_o scruple_n be_v this_o practice_n be_v unprecedent_v in_o the_o apostolic_a and_o pure_a primitive_a church_n christ_n with_o his_o disciple_n sit_v or_o lean_v they_o use_v the_o table_n gesture_n than_o make_v decent_a by_o civil_a custom_n and_o yet_o they_o use_v as_o much_o 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proposition_n i_o prove_v because_o protestant_n do_v generaly_a condemn_v pray_v before_o a_o image_n as_o on_o other_o account_n so_o on_o this_o because_o it_o be_v a_o adore_v of_o god_n before_o a_o creature_n with_o a_o religious_a respect_n to_o it_o let_v our_o brethren_n show_v we_o what_o the_o more_o moderate_a of_o the_o papist_n give_v to_o their_o image_n that_o we_o do_v not_o give_v to_o the_o consecrate_a element_n we_o use_v the_o one_o as_o a_o a_o state_v motive_n of_o worship_n as_o they_o do_v the_o other_o they_o deny_v that_o they_o give_v any_o worship_n to_o the_o image_n as_o we_o do_v with_o reference_n to_o the_o element_n a_o four_o ground_n be_v this_o practice_n as_o acknowledge_v by_o its_o patron_n to_o be_v indifferent_a have_v be_v gross_o abuse_v to_o idolatry_n the_o papist_n in_o the_o same_o external_a way_n worship_v the_o host_n and_o it_o be_v know_v that_o this_o practice_n come_v in_o with_o the_o belief_n of_o christ_n bodily_a presence_n in_o the_o sacrament_n and_o the_o papist_n profess_v that_o if_o they_o do_v not_o believe_v that_o they_o will_v not_o so_o kneel_v and_o be_v it_o fit_a that_o we_o shall_v so_o symbolize_v with_o they_o which_o by_o this_o practice_n we_o do_v to_o that_o degree_n that_o it_o be_v not_o easy_a to_o distinguish_v our_o adoration_n from_o they_o by_o the_o spectator_n of_o both_o these_o ground_n i_o have_v but_o hint_v be_v speak_v to_o more_o large_o by_o other_o sect._n 12._o he_o debate_v next_o with_o mr._n a._n pag._n 386._o for_o say_v that_o on_o the_o same_o reason_n that_o the_o church_n impose_v these_o ceremony_n she_o may_v impose_v some_o use_n of_o image_n etc._n etc._n to_o which_o the_o dr._n bring_v three_o answer_n fill_v four_o page_n all_o this_o discourse_n may_v have_v be_v wave_v for_o neither_o mr._n a._n nor_o any_o of_o we_o do_v ever_o make_v that_o a_o ground_n of_o separation_n though_o we_o plead_v against_o the_o ceremony_n on_o that_o ground_n if_o they_o will_v remove_v the_o present_a ceremony_n we_o shall_v not_o for_o the_o assert_v a_o impose_v power_n leave_v they_o nor_o out_o of_o fear_n of_o what_o may_v come_v sect._n 13._o the_o last_o plea_n for_o separation_n that_o the_o dr._n first_o devise_v and_o then_o refute_v be_v sect._n 38._o that_o there_o be_v a_o parity_n of_o reason_n for_o our_o separate_n from_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o from_o the_o protestant_n separate_v from_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o this_o plea_n he_o impute_v to_o mr._n a._n in_o his_o preface_n he_o shall_v have_v say_v epistle_n dedicatory_a to_o mischief_n of_o imposition_n but_o i_o do_v not_o find_v that_o mr._n a._n or_o any_o other_o ever_o use_v such_o a_o plea._n all_o that_o he_o say_v there_o be_v ad_fw-la hominem_fw-la against_o the_o dr_n ordinary_a cry_v out_o on_o we_o for_o separate_v from_o a_o true_a church_n whereas_o the_o dr._n himself_o have_v own_v rome_n to_o be_v a_o true_a church_n ration_n account_n p._n 293._o and_o def_n against_o t._n g._n p._n 785._o and_o yet_o allow_v separation_n from_o that_o church_n wherefore_o i_o shall_v no_o further_o consider_v any_o thing_n that_o he_o say_v on_o that_o head_n and_o i_o conclude_v with_o the_o dr._n and_o declare_v as_o he_o do_v to_o the_o contrary_a that_o i_o have_v examine_v all_o that_o he_o have_v say_v on_o the_o present_a subject_n and_o do_v find_v still_o remain_v sufficient_a plea_n to_o justify_v the_o present_a practice_n of_o nonconformist_n in_o not_o join_v with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n but_o worship_v god_n in_o meet_v apart_o from_o it_o sect._n 14._o the_o learned_a dr._n be_v please_v to_o append_v to_o his_o book_n to_o set_v it_o off_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d three_o letter_n of_o three_o french_a divine_n print_v first_o in_o french_a and_o then_o in_o english_a ad_fw-la pompam_fw-la for_o it_o be_v little_a ad_fw-la pugnam_fw-la but_o he_o may_v know_v what_o ever_o difference_n we_o give_v to_o learned_a and_o good_a man_n their_o authority_n without_o scripture_n proof_n which_o we_o yet_o desiderate_a will_v not_o prevail_v with_o we_o to_o alter_v our_o opinion_n or_o practice_n let_v the_o dr._n call_v it_o obstinacy_n or_o by_o what_o name_n he_o please_v the_o first_o of_o they_o be_v from_o mounseur_fw-fr le_fw-fr moyne_n professor_n of_o divinity_n in_o leyden_n to_o the_o bp._n of_o london_n the_o authority_n of_o which_o letter_n not_o of_o the_o learned_a author_n of_o it_o we_o have_v good_a cause_n to_o neglect_v because_o it_o be_v apparent_a to_o any_o that_o read_v it_o that_o it_o be_v write_v by_o a_o stranger_n to_o we_o upon_o gross_a misinformation_n of_o our_o principle_n for_o he_o say_v page_n 404._o that_o he_o can_v not_o have_v persuade_v himself_o that_o there_o have_v be_v any_o who_o believe_v that_o a_o man_n can_v not_o be_v save_v in_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o i_o join_v with_o he_o so_o far_o that_o i_o know_v not_o nor_o hear_v of_o one_o nonconformist_a of_o that_o opinion_n but_o thus_o it_o seem_v we_o be_v by_o our_o brethren_n represent_v abroad_o and_o then_o precarious_a letter_n get_v by_o such_o mean_n must_v be_v produce_v as_o witness_n against_o we_o he_o also_o represent_v we_o as_o if_o we_o condemn_v all_o to_o hell_n that_o use_v the_o ceremony_n page_n 405._o and_o the_o same_o he_o say_v about_o the_o church-discipline_n ibid._n and_o that_o we_o imagine_v that_o we_o be_v the_o only_a man_n in_o england_n yea_o in_o the_o christian_a world_n that_o be_v predestinate_v to_o eternal_a happiness_n and_o that_o hold_v truth_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n as_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v hold_v so_o he_o page_v 408._o he_o also_o page_n 409._o tell_v we_o of_o a_o non-conformist-meeting_a he_o be_v at_o in_o london_n where_o he_o expose_v the_o meeting_n and_o preacher_n as_o very_o ridiculous_a and_o his_o calling_n the_o preacher_n one_o of_o the_o most_o famous_a nonconformist_n show_v he_o to_o be_v either_o a_o very_a great_a stranger_n to_o they_o or_o somewhat_o that_o be_v worse_a let_v any_o now_o judge_n whether_o such_o a_o testimony_n be_v to_o be_v receive_v against_o we_o sect._n 15._o the_o second_o letter_n from_o mounseur_fw-fr de_fw-fr l'_fw-fr angle_n speak_v the_o reverend_n and_o learned_a author_n of_o it_o to_o be_v a_o ingenious_a and_o sober_a person_n but_o in_o some_o thing_n misinform_v by_o the_o episcopal_a party_n he_o lament_v our_o division_n so_o do_v we_o he_o be_v for_o compliance_n with_o the_o ceremony_n be_v settle_v but_o be_v far_o enough_o from_o approve_v of_o they_o the_o former_a part_n of_o this_o i_o impute_v to_o his_o being_n less_o concern_v to_o consider_v these_o thing_n than_o we_o be_v he_o state_v our_o separation_n main_o
upon_o episcopacy_n which_o we_o do_v not_o and_o he_o no_o doubt_n do_v it_o upon_o misinformation_n but_o it_o be_v observable_a that_o this_o good_a man_n who_o the_o dr._n bring_v as_o a_o witness_n on_o his_o side_n do_v as_o much_o blame_v the_o church_n as_o we_o whilst_o he_o be_v for_o their_o quit_n of_o ceremony_n that_o occasion_n separation_n which_o he_o insist_v much_o on_o as_o the_o way_n to_o peace_n a_o notable_a piece_n of_o misinformation_n that_o this_o worthy_a person_n have_v meet_v with_o be_v that_o at_o a_o conference_n hold_v for_o union_n with_o the_o dissenter_n a_o little_a after_o his_o majesty_n restauration_n nothing_o let_v the_o agreement_n but_o some_o of_o the_o presbyterian_o the_o contrary_a of_o which_o and_o their_o great_a condescendency_n for_o peace_n be_v know_v to_o all_o england_n and_o a_o last_a monument_n of_o it_o to_o posterity_n be_v the_o book_n call_v a_o petition_n for_o peace_n contain_v the_o thing_n that_o the_o presbyterian_o propose_v while_o the_o prelatical_a party_n will_v not_o part_v with_o yea_o nor_o forbear_v their_o brethren_n in_o the_o least_o ceremony_n or_o mode_n of_o their_o service_n sect._n 16._o the_o three_o letter_n be_v from_o the_o famous_a and_o excellent_a mounseur_fw-fr claude_n who_o walk_v by_o the_o same_o spirit_n and_o in_o the_o same_o step_n with_o his_o reverend_a colleague_n mounseur_fw-fr de_fw-fr l'_fw-fr angle_n he_o speak_v of_o episcopacy_n as_o tolerable_a that_o one_o may_v with_o a_o good_a conscience_n live_v under_o it_o this_o be_v not_o our_o question_n but_o it_o seem_v the_o question_n have_v be_v so_o state_v to_o he_o by_o they_o who_o have_v a_o mind_n to_o procure_v his_o testimony_n to_o their_o cause_n he_o tell_v we_o they_o admit_v of_o minister_n that_o have_v be_v ordain_v by_o bishop_n so_o do_v we_o he_o do_v high_o commend_v love_n and_o concord_n and_o we_o think_v it_o can_v be_v overvalue_v where_o it_o can_v be_v have_v without_o sin._n he_o 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