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A90899 Saving faith set forth in three dialogues or Conferences: 1 2 3 between Christ and a publican. Pharisee. Doubting beleever. Whereunto is added tvvo sermons one of them preached before the Parliament the other before the Lord Mayor of the City of London. By Vavasor Powell, minister of the Gospell. Powell, Vavasor, 1617-1670. 1651 (1651) Wing P3092; Thomason E1332_3; ESTC R209110 22,480 73

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many thousand times more uxworthy am I a wretched and wicked sinner Ch It is true neither they nor thou As the Prodigalls Father did his son Lu. 15.21 22. could be worthy of your selves but yet I am willing to account you worthy Luk. 20.35 and 21.36 Rev. 3.4 Bel. But Lord if there were any thing that were good in me it might a little incourage me to come unto thee but I find nothing but evill in me Ch Dost thou not know that without me thou canst (e) Ioh 15.5 doe nothing and that a man can (f) Joh 3.27 receive nothing except it bee given him from heaven Why then dost thou stay away from me who must (g) Esa 26.12.2 12. worke all thy workes in thee And 2. Because thou seest nothing but evill in thee thou shouldst the rather come unto me who am the (h) Zac. 13.1 Fountaine wherein thy unclean soule must be washed and unlesse I (i) Eze. 36.25 1.9 wash thee thou canst not bee cleane nor have any (k) Joh. 13.8 part in me Bel True Lord thou art the Fountaine and wel-spring of life and it is thy blood and nothing else that can wash away my sins but how can I come near to thee who am so wicked that for ought I know have counted thy blood an (l) Heb. 10.29 unholy thing Ch Thou poor Ac. 2.36.41 dear and doubting soule what if thou hadst had a hand in crucifying mee as the Jewes had yet cannot I forgive thee as I did many of them But thou hast not accounted my blood an unholy thing for thou still desirest to have thy sins washed away by it Bel What the Iewes did they did ignorantly but I have sinned against knowledge which makes my sins worse then theirs Ch If thou hast finned against knowledge yet thou hast not sinned so but that thou maist be forgiven For my deare Disciple Peter sinned against knowledge when hee denied with an oath that hee knew me not Mat. 26.72 Bel. Oh but yet my sinnes are worse then his for his sin was but one sin and that a suddaine and short sin but I have sinned many sinnes and continued long in them Ch So did my beloved servant David who was a man according to my owne heart commit severall sinnes together as Murther Whoredome c. and continued a while too in his sinnes Bel. Oh but Lord those servants of thine though they sinned against thee yet they expressed a great deale of sence of their sins and sorrow for them but I can neither be sensible of nor sorrowfull for mine Ch Oh sweet soule thou mistakest and forgettest thy selfe for thou dost often confesse thy sinnes before me with sence shame and sorrow And I hear thee daily bemoaning and complaining and saying I have (n) Iob 7.20 Psal 51.4 Lam. 5.16 sinned against the Lord woe is me for I am undone Bel Oh good Lord it is not without cause that I cry wo is me I am undone for I thinke there is no soule in such a dangerous and desperate condition as mine is in Ch Why doest thou thinke and say so Bel. Because I have sinned that unpardonable sin against thy spirit Ch Oh thou poor and precious soule thou dost but thinke so and feare so But tell mee how canst thou sin that sin against my Spirit and yet pray for more of my Spirit and so much prize my Spirit as thou dost Bel Oh Lord I have often grieved and quenched thy Spirit and is not this to commit that unpardonable sin Ch My owne deare and loving children may and doe sometimes grieve my spirit by sinning and quench the gracious motions of it and yet doe not sin that unpardonable sinne Eph. 4.30 1 Thes 5.19 Esay 63.10 Bel Oh but I can thinke no lesse but that I have committed that sin for I have had hard cruell and desperate thoughts in my heart against the Holy Spirit Ch Though my childe thou hast had such thoughts in thy heart yet thou hast not spoken evill of my Spirit as the Jewes did which is the sin of blasphemy and that unpardonable sinne Mat. 12.24 28 31. Mark 3.22 to 30. Bel Lord I am not sure but that I have spoken evill words of thy spirit for I know I have many times uttered vile bitter and cursed words Ch Notwithstanding thou didest through the violence of thy temptations and in the bitternesse of thy Soule speake such words as my servants Job Iob 3.1 to 13 10 18 23.15 16. Ps 31.22 116.11 Ier 20.14 c. Ionah 4.3 4 9. Mat. 26 72 74 David Jeremy Jonah and Peter did yet thou hast not done despight nor sinned maliciously and willfully against my Spirit of grace as Reprobates doe Heb. 10.29 Bel. Oh I have been and still am very wilfull and have often sinned wilfully and thou sayest in thy word that if any sinne wilfully after they receive the knowledge of the truth there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins Heb. 10.26 Ch Thou deare soule have not I heard thee often in prayer complaining of and bewailing thy sins and beging earnestly for power against them therefore it is rather against thy will then wilfully that thou dost sinne Bel. Oh but I finde sinnes in power in my soule which if I were a Saint they would not be so Ch My servant Paul found sinne so strong in him that he confessed he was carnall and sold under sin and that he found a law in his members Sin was in power in Paul when it could carry him captive warring against the law of his minde and bringing him into captivity to the law of sinne Rom. 14.23 Bel. Oh but neither Paul nor any other Saint hath sinned presumptuously as I have done Ch. My servant David prayed that hee might bee kept from presumptuous sins for he was subject thereunto Psa 19.13 It is probable that David sined presumptuously in killing Vriah and so are the best of my Saints Bel. But Lord I have rebelled against thee Ch So did my servants of * Is 1.2 63.20 old but I have received * Ps 68.18 gifts for the Rebillious and to me belongs mercies and forgivenesse though thou hast rebelled against me Dan. 9.9 Bel Oh but my Rebellion is the worst Rebellion of all for I have rebelled against the light I have professed thee and yet I have belyed thee and made an hypocriticall profession I seemed like Judas to be thy friend whilst in my heart I did not love thee Ch The house of Israel and the house of Judah dealt treacherously against me the Lord and belied me and Ephraim my deare sonne compassed me about with lies yet was I gracious to them Jer. 5.11.12 Hos 11.12 with Jer. 23.6 and 31.20 Bel. But Lord Ephraim was never so wicked as I am and guilty of such Lukewarmnesse Hypocrisie and Backesliding as I am guilty of Ch Yea Ephraim was as a cake not turned And Ephraim fed
Saving Faith Set forth In Three Dialogues or Conferences 1 Between Christ and a Publican 2 Between Christ and a Pharisee 3 Between Christ and a Doubting Beleever Whereunto is added TVVO SERMONS One of them Preached before the Parliament the other Before the Lord Mayor of the City of LONDON By VAVASOR POWELL Minister of the Gospell LONDON Printed by Robert Ibbitson for Li●ewell Chapman at the Crown in Popes-head Alley 1651. THis Authour hath another Treatise Extant called Christ and Moses Excellency c. Distinguishing and explaining the two Covenants also treating on the Promises belonging to both Covenants Directing to a right understanding of them To the Right Honorable the Parliament of the Common-wealth of ENGLAND Most Noble and honourable Senators FOrasmuch as you were pleased so to own mee and this rude plain speech of mine as to command me to the Pulpit and order it to the Presse I now humbly present it to you with a small portall or short Epistle for the Edifice it self being so little and built with so many unhewne stones deserves not a great Porch or Gate before it That which I intended in this Discourse and that which I do and shall aime at and endeavour in my whole Course was and is the Exaltation of Christ and the humiliation and abasing of the Creature Christ was once humbled that wee might be exalted and he is now exalted that wee might bee humbled I may say without flattery that God hath honoured you much and you have honoured him not a little Yet observe that Honour is a fore-runner either of the raising of Christ in mens hearts Deut. 4.24 and esteem or a signe of the utter ruining breaking and sinking of them The Lord is jealous for his owne and zealous for his Sons glory Esa 9.7 and though he bee willing to impart his grace unto all Esa 42.8 yet his glory hee will not give to any other There bee two hard Lessons which are as the Alpha and Omega in Gods Book The one is to deny our selves and the other to give glory to God And hee is the compleatest Scholler in Christs Schoole who is best vers'd in this divine learning Yee Worthy Rulers of our Israel Consider how God hath exalted You in the hearts of his People over the heads of your Domestique Enemies and in the eyes of your Foraigne foes Now what doth the Lord require for all this from you againe but that you walke humbly and give his Highnesse his deserved and due Glory Though Moses and Aaron two choyce Christians and Champions did lead and govern Israel for a long time Num. 20.12 notwithstanding many dangers and difficulties yet they were at last shut out of Canaan because they did not sanctifie God at the waters of Meribah Also Eli who was forty years a Priest of the Lord was taken away 1 Sam. 2.29 and his posterity cut off because he honoured his sons above the Lord. Would you stand your selves and keep the honour which God hath given you and would you have your posterity to prosper and to have a name in the world when you are gone out of it then make it your businesse to exalt Christ Oh remember that God puls downe some Ezek. 31.14 to the end that others might not exalt themselves The Lord of Hosts saith Isaiah hath purposed to stain the pride of all glory and to bring into contempt all the honorable of the earth Esa 23.9 There is a day comming when all flesh shall be humbled and the Lord alone exalted that day shal be upon every one that is proud and lofty Esa 2.11.12 and upon every one that is lifted up he shal be brought low Humble your selves therefore and exalt neither your hearts nor your gates Seek not great things for your selves Jer. 45.5 and let there not bee a lye in your right hands Esa 44.20 Mal. 2.16 neither cover violence with a garment Propound nothing to your selves to seek for but the honour of Christ and the Saints and Nations interest wherein your interests and safeties are involved and included Neh. 5.14.18 Imitate good Nehemiah who did twelve years hard service freely And that because the bondage was heavy upon the people The Lord hath hitherto made you friends to the Saints and Fathers to the Nation So that the former hath been countenanced and both preserved through Christ by your means Likewise your zealous and glorious Acts of Justice against sin and your religious Acts of Grace to the soules of men in the propagating and promoting the Gospel Especially those of Wales doe and will remaine engraven not in Marble but in the mindes of us and our posterity And for the making of your actions yet more incomparable if your more publique and weighty businesse permit to set some time and persons aside to hear and relieve the private petitions and grievances of the widdows distressed imprisoned oppressed and those that have suffered for Christs cause and your Job 31.16 19. that you may be able to say with Job That you have not withheld the poore from their desire nor caused the eies of the Widdow to faile nor seene any perish for want of cloathing nor any poor without covering Another desirable thing is that all the REMAINDERS of Paganisme Popery and Superstition may be taken away and that the places formerly consecrated by Bishops and still adored by the ignorant and superstitious who call the Churches and houses of God may be declared to have no inherent holinesse in them Also that the heathen names of dayes and months may be abolished that so the people may learne to speake the language of the Scriptures and not of Ashteroth and that Jehovah not Jupiter Christ and not Saturn may be named and written by us who professe our selves to be among the best and the resormedst of Christians And that you may to use the Apostles phrase be perfect and wanting nothing to represent you excellent and eminent Learne to say with Nehemiah that though the former Governours were chargeable to the people Neh. 5.15 and even their servants bare rule over them Yet so did not I wee because of the fear of the Lord This shall bee the prayer of him for you who can say as Deborah Judg. 5.9 My heart is towards the Governours of Israel England that offered themselves willingly among the people blesse the Lord. Your Honours much obliged and most faithfull servant for Christ and in his way Vavasor Powell Three Divine Dialogues OR Conferences The first betweene Christ and a Publican The second between Christ and a Pharisee The third between Christ and a doubting Beleever The first Dialogue between Christ and a Publican IN the great day of the Feast Jesus stood and cryed saying if any man thirst let him come to me Joh. 7.31 Then drew neare all the Publicans and Sinners for to heare him Luke 15.1 And he said unto one