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A89464 Two speeches delivered, the one by the Earle of Manchestr [sic] and the other by Iohn Pym Esquire, in Guild-Hall on fryday the 13. of Ianuary 1642 Manchester, Edward Montagu, Earl of, 1602-1671.; Pym, John, 1584-1643. 1643 (1643) Wing M400bA; ESTC R231082 5,595 16

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dishhonorable to the City That the Lord Major of London should be subjected to the violence of every base fellow be assaulted seiz'd on without due processe or Warrant which the Law doth afford every private man and that you should be commanded to deliver up your chief Magistrates and such eminent Members of the City to the Kings pleasure only because they have done their duty in adhering to the Parliament for the defence of the Kingdom and that it is against the rules of justice that any men should be imprisoned upon such a generall charge when no particulars are proved against them and this you are to take notice of as the answer to those scandalls and to that disgrace upon my Lord Major and the other Members of the City And I am further to tell you that there is little cause for His Majesty to make this demand considering that He Himself doth by force keep away many accused in Parliament as my Lord Digby and many more impeached of high Treason besides divers others great Delinquents that stand charged there for hainous crimes all which by force are kept from the due proceedings and legall triall in Parliament It is alleaged in this Answer That my Lord Maior and those other persons named are countenancers of Brownists and Anabaptists and all manner of Sectaries To this I am commanded to say That hereof there is no proof It doth not appear that they give any such countenance to Sectaries of any kinde whatsoever and if it did His Majesty hath little reason to object it while notwithstanding the profession he hath often made that he will maintain the Protestant reformed Religion he doth in the mean time raise an Army of Papists who by the principles of their Religion are bound if power be put into their hands to destroy and utterly to root out the Protestants together with the truth which they professe It is affirmed That mens persons have been imprisoned and their houses plunder'd because they will not rebell against His Majesty To this I am commanded to declare that no mens houses have been plunder'd by any direction of the Parliament but that they have been very carefull to restrain all such violent courses so far as they were able and that they have never committed any man but such men as by due information they conceived to be seditious persons and like to trouble the peace of the State It is objected further That the Property of the Subject is destroyed by taking away the twentieth part by an Arbitrary power To this they say That that Ordinance it doth not require a twentieth part but doth limit the Assessors that they shall not go beyond a twentieth part and that this is done by a power derived from both houses of Parliament the Lords who have an hereditarie interest in making Laws in this Kingdom and the Commons who are elected and chosen to represent the whole body of the Comminalty and trusted for the good of the people when ever they see cause to charge the Kingdom And they say further that the same Law that did enable the two Houses of Parliament to raise forces to maintain and defend the safety of Religion and of the Kingdom doth likewise enable them to require contributions whereby those forces may be maintained or else it were a vaine power to raise forces if they had not a power likewise to maintain them in that service for which they were raised And to this point I am commanded to adde this further answer that there was little reason for this to be objected on his Majesties behalf when it is well known that from the subjects which are within the power of his army His Majesty doth take the full yeerly value of their Lands and in some cases more that not only particular houses but whole Towns have been plunder'd by command and design and that by Proclamations men are declared to forfeit all their estates because they will not obey Arbitrary Commands and this is commonly practised by His Majesty and on his part and therefore there was little reason to charge the Parliament with so necessary and moderate a contribution as the twentieth part It is declared That the King expects to be kept from Tumults and Affronts Upon which I am commanded to observe that His Majesties expressions in His Answer tend to the making of a division in this City and to the raising of a party which may make some disturbance in that orderly government which is now established both which will certainly prove equally destructive to him and both Houses of Parliament and more prejudiciall to his quiet abode here then any thing that hath ever beene acted by the Houses of Parliament or the present Governors of the City They observe further that in this Answer His Majesty doth professe that He will seize upon the estates of those that shall contribute any thing towards the maintenance of the Parliaments Army and will put them out of His protection and by His Ministers in forraign States will take such course that they may be proceeded against as enemies that is destroyed and spoiled To which the LORDS and COMMONS do Declare That this is an excesse of rigour and injustice beyond all example that particular men should lose their private estates here without law or judiciall proceeding And that our Prince who owes protection to the Kingdom aswell as to particular persons should suffer the wealth thereof to be robbed and spoiled by forraign States upon due consideration whereof they hope His Majesty will be induced by better Councell to forbeare the execution then that by which he hath been perswaded to publish such a Resolution Besides these Observations out of the Answer I am to observe one out of a narrative that was received from the Common Councell that the King did Declare that he would send some messengers here to observe your carriage in the City and what was done amongst you the Parliament have just cause to doubt that these will be messengers of sedition and trouble and therefore desire you to observe them and find them out and that they may know who they are I am for a conclusion to commend to your considerations that you see by the proceedings to which the King is drawn by the ill councell now about Him that Religion the whole Kingdom this glorious City and the Parliament are all in great danger and that this danger cannot be kept off in all likelyhood but by the Army that is now a foot and that the Lords and Commons are so farre from being frighted by any thing that is in this Answer that they have for themselves and the Members of both Houses declared a further contribution towards the maintenance of this Army and cannot but hope and desire that you that have shew'd so much good affection in the former necessities of the State will be sensible of your own and of the condition of the whole Kingdom and adde to that which you have alreadie done some further contribution whereby this Army may be maintain'd for all your safeties At the end of every period of this Speech the applause was so great that he was fain to rest till silence was again made and at last the Company ready to be dissolved after some pause and consultation with the Committee of Lords and Commons then present and by their direction silence being made he closed all with the words following Worthy Citizens you have understood the sense of both Houses of Parliament concerning my Lord Major here and those worthy Members of your City that are demanded you have heard the Parliament declare that they will protect them in that which they have done by direction of both Houses and they expect that you should expresse it your selves likewise that if any violence be offer'd to them you will secure and defend them with your uttermost force and you shall alwaies finde that this protection of the Parliament shall not onely extend to these but to all others that have done any thing by their command Which words were no sooner uttered but the Citizens with one joynt harmony of mindes and voices gave such an acclamation as would have drown'd all the former if they had been then breathing which after a long continuance resolv'd it self into this more articulate and distinct voice We will live and dye with them We will live and dye with them and the like So that in the managing of this dayes work God was so pleased to manifest himself that the well-affected went away not strengthened onely but rejoycing and the Malignants as they have been called some convinced others silenced many asham'd it fully appearing how little power they had to answer their desires of doing mischief whilest in stead of dividing the City they were exceedingly united in stead of a dissipation thousands were unexpectedly brought as it were into an unthought of Association to live and dye in the defence of these zealous and honorable Assertors of their peace and liberties All which we may summe up in that triumph of the man of God In the thing wherein they dealt proudly God was above them FINIS