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A43272	The lambs innocency defended, against lyes and slanders In answer to a second reply of a priest, who is called a minister at Lazonby in Cumberland called Simon Atkinson, who hath shewed his wolfish nature against those people called Quakers; ranking them up with the papists; falsly accusing them of those things which they utterly detest; but his weapons is turned against himselfe by one of the campe of the God of Israel, whose eye is opened in measure, ... working in the shadow of reformation translated into a fairer forme springing from the old corrupt root; and to see the bickerings of the night-armie running on heaps now in the dawning of the day; and the uncircumcised in Heart and Ears in flying from the light, and repoose of the same: and from the alarum of the spirits trumpet which is founded vvithin, for the cutting downe of the man of sin, and for the quenching of his motions. Written in defence of the truth as it is in Jesus, by a foole to the wisdom of this world, who, according to measure, hath tasted and obtained of the wisdome	Helling, Joseph.	1658 (1658)	Wing H1382; ESTC R216631	44,515	52

you fall short of him c. Ans This was thy accusation in thy former Paper which thou promised to prove positively and particularly but being required to doe it thou now goes about to shift it off with false excuses for art not thou ashamed to say it is un●chtistian-like in us to say unto thee we require thee to prove that which thou thy selfe promised to doe but now thou goes about to cast a snare upon the innocent and by thy windy wisdome strives to drive thy Clouds to vail then Sun Oh Elimas-like how long wilt thou not cease to pervert the right wayes of the Lord Pr. But thou Joseph Hilling hath sent me a proud Challenge and Charge to doe it Ans I Charge thee to be a lyar here again and I appeale to these words which I sent unto thee thou having layd down some accusations as before this was my words For all which we require thee to bring in proofe positively and particularly c. not challenging nor charging thee at all to prove it but onely requiring thee therefore own thy condemnation thou hast belyed me and the lying spirit in the sets at naught the way of life Pr. And why should Pearles be cast before Swine that will trample them under feet and turne againe and rend us Ans We doe not look for Pearles at your hands for how can a Fountain send forth at one hole sweet water and bitter Or how can a lyar and a false Accuser communicate Pearles and although thou tearm us to Swine yet doe we chew our Cud and knows our Manna the food of life and the Swine we know thou that feeds upon the huske putting the letter for the word and try all of spirits and for your rule and not the new Creature Therefore I say deale honestly with thy soule and take heed that thou be not found a Swincherd in stead of a Shepherd take notice of that thou that trades with the letter Pr. And why should you require this of me or nay of us sith thou dost deny and renounce the power which the Lord hath given us to edification and not to destruction which if thou hast no experience of thy selfe yet take head of condemning them that have for wisedome is justified of her children and they that are of God hears Gods Word c. Ans I have required nothing concerning this of thee nor of any of you but that which thou thy selse prosered and why dost thou profer that which thou dost not performe this is truce-breaking and thou art a truce-breaker herein And as for denying the power which thou saith the Lord hath given you as above thou hast given me good cause to deny thee and the power by which thou art acted whose impudent lyes declares thee to have no power given of the Lord but thy power is the power of darknesse which pleads against the light transformed into the likenesse of truth before them whom the God of this world hath blinded who sees not your life nor discerns not your voyces And as for having experience of my selfe It tell thee The spirit of truth in me condemns all whose experience is but selfe experience for I know nothing of God by my selfe nor of my selfe for that cannot justifie wisdom but thou whose experience is of thy selfe is not a child of wisdom for if thou were thou would be ashamed to lye as thou hast done as is proved And as for them that are of God who hears Gods word them I dearly own and imbrace for they are gathered into the sold unto the one Shepherd and shall be no more meat for you Ezek. 34.10 to the end neither shall you be numbred with them so long as thou lyes falsely accuseth is called of men Master and sells thy selfe-experiences for money thou must stoup the stone is descending against thy Image and the Sun is risen which will seatter thy mist therefore beware betime Pr. Thou art angry with me because I say you are poor miserable c. Ans Thou speaks thou knows not what for we are no more the blinder for thy so saying but our blindnesse and miserablenesse was when we were deprived of the food of life and of the light which giveth the knowledge of God by your cunning sophisticall Doctrine by which you insinuate your selves into the peoples affections keeping them alwayes learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth which maketh free and here is blindnesse and cause of anger war and fighting in the unperfect unruly part marke that Pr. Pardon me I had but almost forgot what you say you see with them John 9.41 and with Laodicea Rev. ● 17 that you are rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing c. Ans Here thou mocker shews thy selfe in belying of us we doe not see with them Iohn 9.41 who did not own Christ but we see with them that suffered the spoyling of their goods and with them that was counted as the off-scouring of all things and as sheep for the slaughter for Christs sake yea and with such as was counted deceivers by the Sect of the Learned to wit the Scribes and Pharisees therefore be willing to receive it home again for it shall stand for thine own condition with the rest of thy Function who is the successors of the Scribes and Pharisees there spoken of Iohn 9.41 take them for your predecessors and fill yee up their meisures for In their steps you are found And as for the La●diceaus Rev. 3.17 that we are in their steps there spoken of is another lye for the Lord is our witnes we doe not boast of riches by increase of goods neither doe we say that we have need of nothing and here thou art exercising thy selfe in the war against the Lambe for God forbid that we should glory in any thing save in the Crosse of Christ or delight in any other increase but the increase of grace for we have need of patience that after we have done the will of God we might receive the promise Heb. 10 36. so here thou art found in thy falsification wresting and twining of Scripture to thy ows destruction against the innocent Pr. But let me tell thee that I doe not nor shall not at all beleeve you in this matter though you trumpet out your own prayses and bla●e your owne perfections never so much Ans Man when we trumpet out our own prayses and blaxe out our own perfections then you may have cause not to beleeve us and though you seem to lay it upon us yet we are cleave and if thou affirme it thou affirmeth a lye as thou hast done many as is proved already for there is nothing of us to wit of flesh and blood that 's prayse-worthy but we prayse the Lord the the perfector and perfection of his Saints in whom is all fulnesse unto whom we fly for teachings which makes you seers and diviners of our dayes in such a

rage that forging lyes is become your greatest refuge who perswades people that we trust in our selves and selfe righteousnesse which things we utterly detest and they remain for thee and you all to prove And as for despising of others that is false for we own all Creatures as they are in themselves Creatures or Vessells but the seeds is at enmity mind that for the Creation of God we have no cause to hate but the mover of cedition in the ground take notice of that Pr. As for that Scripture thou cites Luke 18.9.10 and bids we consider the scope of the Parable and we cannot but see our selves punctually to resemble the Pharisees Ans Here thou hast reckoned us up with the Pharisee and saith we resemble him here I charge thee with another lye and it remains for thee to prove which of us did or doth boast in our prayers of Fastings paying fo Tythos and that we were not like other men but we are bold to declare that our regeneration is not by our own merits nor our salvation by works of righteousnes which we have done but according to his mercy he hath saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the holy Ghost Tit. 3.5 so thy accusations touches us not but shall stand against you with Luke 18.9.10 and all other Scripture for y●e are out of the rule of Scripture both under the Law and Gospel as easily may be proved Pr. Couldest thou or any of you but convince me of this that they are just that justifie themselves then I should side and say with you and the Papists your patterns in this and the most of your opinions that perfection is not onely attainable in this life but that it is the easiest thing in the world but how hard will it be to prove this principle Ans I doe not strive to convince any of their justnesse that justifie themselves for I deny them that so doth and the Papists to be our patternes but whether you will side with us or not thou and thy fellows must be forced to take the Popes Law for a prop to your Gospel for by that Law you are guarded therefore let thine accusation return home again and take the Papists for thy patternes thou and you who tradeth in their shops and as for perfections to be attainable in this life here thou shews forth thy ignorance and that thou art not called into the ministry of Christ Reader mark permand of God to Abraham Gen. 17.1 Deut. 18.13 Iob 1.8 8.20 Psal 37.37 It was the Doctrine of the Apostle 2 Cor. 13.9.11 in Phil. 3.15 It was for that end that the Scripture was recorded 2 Tim. 3.17 it was the Prayer of the Apostle for the Chruch Heb. 13.21.1 Pet 5.10 Heb. 6.1 yea the whole end of the Ministre Ephes 4.11.12 thou that denyes perfection denies thy gift and the power of the Lord. For shame for what end dost thou Preach it is evident hereby that you keep people alwayes learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth which maketh free Iohn 8.32 And now that it is the easiest thing in the world I say in perfection is ease peace and joy in the holy Ghost and no treasure is to be compared to it or any measure of it and you that are not growing towards it knows nothing of redemption And thou that perswads people that perfection is not to be attained unto here keeps people alwayes in the bondage of corruction for it is hard to be attained unto which is the cause why many stumble Pr. Was is not Christs peculiar prerogative to be without sin Heb. 4 15.1 Pet. 2.22 1 John 3.5 he did challenge the world Ioh. 8 46. and could abide the bitterest brunts of the Devill because there was nothing in him for Satan to worke upon Iohn 14.30 but who besides himselfe could ever say so Ans I grant it was and is the proper freedom of the head and also of the members of that head and these Scriptures which thou hast cited I own compared with Heb. 2.18 and that none could ever truely say so of themselves is granted also But this doth not disanull perfection and thou that doth despise it and pleads against it pleads against the one offering against the Prayer of Christ and priviledge of the Saints Iohn 23.14 and against the whole end of the Ministry Ephes 4.12 and against the worke of a Minister Col. 1.28.29 so man I exhort thee be ware what thou dost least thou repent when it is too late for as the tree falls so it lyes and as death seazes upon a man so judgement will find him out and every man shall be judged according to the deeds done in his body and the righteous hath hope in his death but the wicked shall rise to the resurrection of condemnation Pr. Paul after a long and prosperous progresse in sanctification mortification and vivification was not ashamed to speak the truth Rom. 7.11.18.24 but who can beare witnesse of your humiliation in this manner nay the contrary is contemptuously and impudently boasted of by you Ans Here thou art seen to be ignorant of us speaking evill of things thou knows not for the Lord is our witnes whether we have not groaned under the bondage of corruption or not and cryed unto him which is onely able to be delivered from the body of sin And the Apostles condition we own knowing that in our flesh dwelleth no good thing which is of its own nature although thou hast thus judged of us neverthelesse we have a treasure hid in carthen vessels which you with all you doe cannot deprive us of which is our joy But to proceed Paul did not continue in sin he said God forbid Rom 1.2 c. they could not live any longer in sin they were planted together in the likenes of his death See what he dyed unto Rom. 6.10 and although Paul did complain of the body of sin Rom. 7. yet consider what testimony he gives in Rom. 8.1.2.3 37. verses take notice of Rom 8.8 thou that stands up to make voyd the comming of the Son of God by pleading against perfection taking the Apostles condition in his imperfection to pleade for the Devills Kingdom withall but leaves his after condition in Rom. 8.1.2 as though the Apostle all his life time had been subject to bondage Oh shamelesse man who for covetous ends would have people kept from the teachings of Gods Spirit which sanctifieth I say The Lord rebuke thee Pr. Is your condition then with Christ and not with the Apostle O horrible Blasphemy are you finite creatures equall with the infinite Creator doe not all naturall as well as spirituall light abhor this Ans Here thou askes a question I say our condition is with Paul in the measure of the growth and with Christ according to the measure unto which we are grown and although we be finite creatures as the Apostles was yet we can