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A75689 A Combate betweene tvvo seconds. One for obeying the present government, the other, the second part of a demurrer, undeservedly called religious. Ascham, Antony, d. 1650. 1649 (1649) Wing A3918C; Thomason E562_16 10,612 20

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A COMBATE betweene TVVO SECONDS One for obeying the Present Government The other the second part of a DEMURRER Undeservedly called RELIGIOUS JAMES 1. 26. If any man among you seeme to be religious and bridleth not his tongue but deceiveth his own heart this mans Religion is in vaine LONDON Printed for John Wright at the Kings Head in the Old-Bayley 1649. A Combate between two SECONDS One for obeying the PRESENT GOVERNMENT The other the second part of a DEMURRER WHen a Scholler of the lower forme doth offend the Usher takes him into his hands for correction And this Demurrer being of the lower forme at least in regard of charity I think I may make bold to bestow some chastisements if not upon him yet upon his faulty workes The wisedome that is from above is first pure then peaceable gentle and without partiality Therefore to be impure unpeaceable injurious and partiall must be the wisedom from below and brings him down to a very low forme that is guilty therein This Demurrer wanting strength in his Arguments or doubting of them thinkes to fortifie his discourse by laying scandalous and uncharitable suspitions on the person of him that wrote for obedience neither are they uncharitable only but untrue and such that upon the proofe of them the Demurrer would hardly adventure a small summe of Money though he thus easily adventure his soule And yet he sayes he sees and because he saith so his sinne remaines for an untruth is never truly seene and without restitution and reparation hee cannot expect his sinne should be taken from him He saith He sees that it is a great snare to be possest of great estates by that power which can divest them if they assist not their wicked designes And that the Author he speaks of is entangled in this snare or else he would never undertake the Patronage of so bad a Cause For answer First This man cannot possibly fetch any convincing proof or demonstration of that which he saith He sees But fetches it wholly from uncharitablenesse even a contrariety to that charity which thinketh none evill This 1 Cor. 13. is all because the Author will not comply with this mans errors and party And whereas he calls it a bad Cause certainely it may be good still for he hath very badly proved it to be bad And why doth he not accuse Calvin and Bucer and Paraeus and Gualter and Peter Martyr for maintaining a bad Cause and doing it for a place of Profit As for any designe the whole life of the Author shewes him very cleare of designes And for this be it what designe it will be he was no actor in it but a spectator onely untill he saw a Government set on foot and that justice might be had this way and no other And then having a right to act he beleeved that he might exercise it in just things yea he beleeved that it was a duty though the Government had been taken by designe and force that those who had taken it and excluded all other should give Justice and if he asist in that which is good and which should be sinne if it were not done I thinke it goes beyond the skill of this Demurrer justly to charge that which is good with Sinne and Guilt Sure it is that he had the councell and consent of impartiall Authors and such are the dead not interested in our affaires even Authors to whom this Demurrer is but an Infant especially if this discourse be the top of his strength as it should be or else he is false to his Cause For a more weake irresolute and unresolving paper is seldome seene for in it there are so many perhaps concerning the chiefe points in question that he seemes unresolved himselfe and how can he then resolve others But of this more in the conclusion And now because his matter is weake therefore his chiefe strength is laid upon scandalizing the Author and so his best argument is his owne uncharitablenesse I am therefore the larger in this point to make a plaister proportionable to the large poyson of this serpentine Discourse that bites the Heele when it can not come to the Head In the meane time he may learne to construe his Latin by his owne actions in English Scelere tuendum est scelus That a false Doctrine must be maintained by false Slanders And now to make manifest that the Author is not so fixed to the world as to maintaine a bad Cause for a place of profit let the Demurrer first know that this Author at the p●ssing of the selfe denying Ordinance gave his vote clearely for the quitting of his place and did verely thinke it gone whereof he gave very good testimony but that it pleased the Houses to declare it to be without the intention of the Ordinance So it seemes he hath beene able to quit such a place for the good of the Publique Secondly for the employments of the profits of his place He hath so communicated them amidst all these sales of Lands and other opportunities which are now going that he hath not encreased his estate by purchase one five pounds per annum But thirdly with giving maintainance to poore Schollars ' in Vniversities fatherlesse and poore Children in Schooles distressed persons of Ireland poore in Westminster London and the Country poore servants of the late King poore distressed Widowes of Souldiers and such to whom Arreares are due and maintainance of Preaching he hath gone beyond any for ought I know that have five times his Estate And for getting of reward or advancement by this worke it is certaine he tooke a course to the contrary for he was so farre from acquainting any that are eminent in power and can give advancement either with the worke or with the Name of the Author that he communicated them onely to one that transcribed it whom he adjured to silence And of this concealing the Stationer for whom it was printed can give some testimony True it is that upon conference which he had of this subject with some Persons or by knowing his stile some might adventure to put his name upon the worke among which Mr. Marshall is one who being present when the worke was communicated to one of the Authors nearest friends in a close and concealed manner and thereupon reading it gave his judgement concerning the Name of the Author though he had never any hint of it by any notice from the Author But now to the Demurr it selfe Whereas he saith That he heares few rationall conscientious men are satisfied with the Declaration of Parliament It may be he converses with few men so rationall and conscientious as to be free from partiality But how unsatisfying soever it be beleeved the Author tooke his ground upon a supposed unsatisfaction Whereas he saith a people may perhaps lawfully obey a Government when there is no probability of recovering their lost Government If he would leave out this word perhaps wherewith he much