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A01748	A true relation of the faction begun at VVisbich by Fa. Edmonds, alias VVeston, a Iesuite, 1595. and continued since by Fa. Walley, alias Garnet, the prouincall of the Iesuits in England, and by Fa. Parsons in Rome, with their adherents: against vs the secular priests their bretheren and fellow prisoners, that disliked of nouelties, and thought it dishonourable to the auncient ecclesiasticall discipline of the Catholike Church, that secular priests should be gouerned by Iesuits.	Bagshaw, Christopher, d. 1625?; Watson, William, 1559?-1603.	1601 (1601)	STC 1188; ESTC S100519	61,716	102

haue heard peraduenture of a Machiuilian maxime detrahe audacter aliquid adhaerebit and here you haue seene the practise of it Maister Doleman as you haue heard before being departed from vs hath reported vpon occasion how carefully he imployed himselfe on our behalfe I met sayth he with a deere friend to you all a man well knowne to be excellently well learned in both lawes and for his vertuous wisdome and other singular good parts in him well beloued and greatly esteemed of all that know him I meane Doctor Windam vnto whom I opened plainly and sincerely the whole matter and craued it earnestly at his hands that he would take some paynes therein and for the loue he bare the generall cause the especiall affection he had to your company which I know is as great as he can giue and you desire and for the old acquaintance and loue that was between vs beyond the seas he would aduise and instruct me what to deliuer vnto you How much he lamented this controuersie amongst you I am not able to expresse After three dayes aduisement he told me for any that liued together as you do presupposing he vnderstood your state very well to diuide themselues from the boord from the rest of the company things so standing as they do now though their purpose were right good was both against charitie and pollicie Whereupon hearing his great mislike I made some hastie returne and let Fa. Weston with some of his company vnderstand his resolution with mine owne therein Thus farre maister Dolman This his returne was within tenne dayes after his departure and before the time limited to him and his Colleague to deale in our causes Vpon which his sayd speeches and communication with Fa. Weston concerning Doctor Windams opinion Would God sayd maister Weston with most earnest affection as it seemed that you maister Dolman were as well able to perswade the rest as you haue done me For mine own part I mind to giue ouer and meddle no further but to commend the cause wholy to God assuring you if I could do the least of this house good for his soules health by laying my head vnder his feete I would most willingly do it I pray you talke with some of our company and see whether you can perswade them And thus farre this dissembling Iesuite by maister Dolmans report very well putting Father Garnets aduise in practise so to enter into his course of gouernment as that it might be thought to be imposed vpon him in effect against his will But how found maister Dolman this Agents subiects Fa. Weston could haue told him like a crafty company on if he had list to haue saued the poore old mans labour For he no sooner moued them to reunite themselues but they startled thereat and sayd they were still resolute to proceede in the course which they had vndertaken and would heare nothing to the contrary At this time as we remember of maister Dolmans being at Wisbich maister Bluet entred into speech with maister Weston in his the sayd maister Dolmans presence concerning both their desire of seuerall commons and also their rules and lawes before mentioned and sayd vnto him that it seemed very strange that he should persist as he did in defence of these his proceedings To whom maister VVestons ghostly father aunswered that as he and Doctor Bagshaw had caryed away the glory and fame of all that was heretofore lawdably done in that Castle so from hence-forth Fa. VVeston would indure it no longer but would haue the same ascribed to himselfe and to the Iesuites Fa. VVeston halfe ashamed of this so plaine a confession tooke vpon him to mend it saying that their intent of separation was rather to auoyd such sinnes as were in the house as whoredome dronkennes and dicing then for any such cause as the party before had mentioned And being further vrged to speake plainly whether he knew himselfe of any such sinnes to be in the house he aunswered that he spake not in particular but in generall of them Whereunto maister Bluet replying affirmed that in saying as he did and charging no man in particular he inuolued the whole house as guiltie of those sinnes and was a detractor thereby in the highest degree He also the sayd maister Bluet proceeded further in effect as followeth If there be such enormious sinnes amongst vs haue we not ghostly fathers to reforme them or can you name any that herein hath bin refractarious Is not the sacrament of healthfull penance a sufficient remedie for men in our cases to keepe vs from such enormities If the meanes appointed by Christ haue not sufficient force to remedie these euils what extraordinary grace or power can we expect from your supposed authoritye and lawes to effect the same Againe if such sinnes were in the house either some particular men were guilty of them or all if some why are they not denounced that the rest may know as well those that committed them as those that fauour or defend them in such their turpitudes And whereas we are prisoners heere against our wils and therefore cannot choose but of necessity must dayly conuerse and be together by order and commaundement of the State and condition of the prison how dare you except you will incroach vpon her Maiesties authority thus violently attempt to separate her subiects promulgate lawes execute punishments and make your selfe in effect to haue as full power as the Pope hath himselfe In that you seeme without his authority to make a new order of Religion or I know not what with bands lawes rules and punishments except your power be more then we can dreame of you incurre thereby the sentence of excommunication and by the lawes of this Realme it is well knowne that omnis coitio in the kingdome not prescribed by her Highnesse is subiect to a very heauy censure When Iames and Iohn priuatly and therefore vnlawfully sought by inediation of their mother the right hand and the left the rest of the Apostles did worthily dislike that attempt but when Peter and these two were called vp to Mount Tabor to behold Christ in his Maiestie all the rest tooke it in good part and neuer grudged because they were called thither by lawfull authority Besides if you and your pretended subiects will keepe no company with vs because of our sinnes as you pretend be your surmises true or false yet as you proceede you ioyne therein with the Donatists who because they would not defile themselues pure creatures with other mens sinnes departed from the Church and perished in their foule schisme and heresie In the proceeding of this discourse there were sundry interruptions but the summe was that maister VVeston did little regard it notwithstanding his pretence of yeelding mentioned before if his companie would be thereunto perswaded When maister Dolman was to depart he moued maister VVeston and others that forasmuch as he had acquainted them already both with Doct. VVindams opinion and

to come to the Pope Whilest they were in prison his Holynes Breue is procured for the confirmation of maister Blackwels authoritie Afterwards the poore men are set at libertie but kept asunder and banished into diuers Prouinces not to repayre into England vntill they should haue leaue from Rome The sayd Breue commeth hither wee being informed thereof submit our selues to our Arch-priest shewing our selues to be farre from schismaticks and such was our desire of peace as we were well content to remit all the former slaunders imputed most falsely vnto vs. Besides for the auoyding of further contention we desired our Arch-priest whome now we reuerenced as we were bound in dutie to take such order as that hereafter there might not be so much as once mention made of the sayd pretended schisme Whereunto he yeelded very willingly and made a Decree to that effect promising to be a meanes that our sayd two brethren might be released of their banishment His dealing with vs in this kinde sort did very much comfort vs because we being men who still had bin afflicted any thing seemed a great benefit to vs. But shortly after we well perceiued that our former appellation and sending to Rome with our refusall in the meane time to bow vnto him did stick in his stomack For whether prouoked by the malitious Iesuites or stirred vp by his owne pride and rancor to be reuenged vpon vs now that we had submitted ourselues vnto his gouernment he renewed the remembrance of the old sore contrary to his sayd decree and that vnder the pretence of a letter that should come vnto him from Rome from two Iesuites Tichborne and Warford wherein he sayd it was exprestely set downe that we were iudged in Rome to be schismaticks before the obteyning of the sayd Breue in that we did not subscribe to his authoritie when the Cardinals first letters were intimated vnto vs. And vpon this false ground except these two Iesuites and some one or two more of that crue had so iudged vs he writ his letters abroade to that effect as well what forsooth he had receiued from Rome concealing the names of the sayd two Machiuilian Iesuites as also that he would receiue none to his fauour or absolue them which would not acknowledge that they had sinned and giuen a great scandale by their sayd prolonging to acknowledge his authoritie When we heard hereof it grieued vs much to see the weakenes of our new Gouernour but more in that we perceiued what new troubles and dissensions would thereby insue We did write therefore both to him and to his assistants that they would be pleased the old controuersie amongst vs might lye buryed still in the graue of obliuion and not to be againe now renewed But they shut their eares to our humble suites and reiect vs with contumelious and reprochfull words for presuming so rashlie forsooth to intermeddle with any thing that they had resolued of Notwithstanding because they were our brethren and many of them before that time some of our inferiors we aduentured once againe to intreate this fauour at their hands that two or three of the best learned amongst them might be appointed to conferre of this matter with as many of vs that so the controuersie might be compounded before it brake out any further How this was taken at our hands it is scarcely credible they tearmed our supplication a tumultuous expostulation being fraught as they sayd with the forgetfulnes of our duties and with the spirit of pride and presumption And hereupon euen now that we were become his subiects after we had vnderstanding of the Popes Breue and looked to haue bin greatly cherished and defended from iniuries by the strength of his soueraigne authoritie we are againe as sharply prosecuted with imputations of schisme and rebellion as we were before which caused vs to propound the question in controuersie amongst vs to the famous Vniuersitie of Paris hauing offered to them before but in vayne if it pleased them to ioyne with vs therein That worthie company after due consideration determined the matter on our side Whereof the Arch-priest being informed addresseth out his owne edict and condemneth therein their sayd iudgement inflicteth great censures vpon those Priests that should at any time maynteine that determination and spareth not likewise to mulct the laytie ouer whom for ought we know he hath no authoritie at all as many as should incline to the imbracing and fauoring of it When we saw this our Arch-priest with his assistants thus peremptorilie bent by strong hand to oppresse vs and without either conscience or consideration of morall honestie to spreade abroade againe to our discredits their former calumniations and very grosse and palpable slaunders we thought it our best course if it were but to heape coales vpon their heads to commend vnto them this consideration whether it might not stand with their good liking to send two Priests to be chosen by them with two others of ours to Rome to know his Holynes opinion and direction in this cause so hotely impugned by them the same being the assured rule for the ending and finall determination of it adding that if we were condemned for schisinaticks for delaying our obedience as is before expressed till we knew his Holynes pleasure we would most willingly subiect our selues to the heauiest censures that might be imposed vpon vs and if cleared the least satisfaction that they would thinke good to award vs should fully please and content vs. But this our last suite was more disdained if it were possible then either of the former and so farre the Arch-priest was from yeelding vnto vs herein or to affoord vs otherwise the least shadow of his fauour as he cast abroade his decrees that our sayd deferring to receiue his authoritie before the Breue came was schisme and prohibiteth any vnder grieuous paynes either by word or writing to affirme the contrary Whereupon we were compelled as hauing no other refuge at all to appeale againe to the infallible seate of the holy Apostle Saint Peter thinking with our selues that thereby at the least till the cause were decided our aduersaries would haue forborne the prosecution of their malice against vs. But the humor they are possessed with being altogether Iesuiticall that is violent and implacable they ceased not but still continued contrary to all course of law iustice euery day more and more to wound and oppresse vs. Our sayd appellation subscribed with the hands of 30. Priests men of good desert and reputation they tearme an infamous libell and presently vpon the sight thereof de facto do suspend and depriue tenne of them from their faculties eight of them being prisoners at Wisbich and two others both of them persons of extraordinary note and worth There hath bin of long time an old saying in England that set a begger on horseback and he will ride a gallop our said new gouernors sitting in their thrones and scorning that any should

haue heard before of certain great matters which they had against vs why they could not keepe company with vs any longer he the sayd good father to shew what good stuffe they had in store called one Garret forth and perswadeth him to vnfold to the Arbitrators his owne confession that vnto Weston his ghostly father he had made a yeare and a halfe before This demy-Iesuite although the thing seemed most absurd and irreligious obeyeth willingly to vnfold to the Commissioners either what he had vttered in his confession of one of his fellowes or at the least what he had deuised between him and maister Agent Well propter bonum societatis he commeth most sadly as if he had bin compelled and telleth thē that he is most vnwilling to vnfold that which turneth to the diffamation of a Priest but yet for disciplines sake which was seene decayed in the house and for the obedience which he ought vnto his ghostly father he will informe them of that which may giue thē light to proceede as they thought good Marry he will not haue it knowne but vnto themselues in secret This protestation made he sayth that one of maister Medlye his men an heretick told him how that a Priest and named him was in the greene chamber which was the keepers lodging talking with Mary maister Medlyes may de and that the Porter who was in loue with her was by maister Southworth willed to go vp to the greene chamber for that there was such a Priest talking with Mary who in all hast went vp and finding the Priest not in the chamber with Mary he looked into the Study within the chamber and found him there with an english booke in his hand whereat he was offended Now sayth maister Weston you see matter sufficiēt for to leade you to giue sentence with vs. Indeed sayth Doctor Bauyn this is a matter that moueth me to be willing to giue my iudgement what thinke you maister Dolman The Romanes being Pagans quoth M. Dolman would not condemne S. Paul vpon the request and accusations of the Iewes before they heard Paul defend himself in a publick place and shall we here cōdemne a Priest and in him 12. more vnheard vnexamined and no place of defence left them Maister Ba. I will not do it but I will heare what the Priest can say for himselfe I do not thinke quoth Bau. that we can doe so for this matter is vttered to vs in secret not to be opened againe How then shal we pronounce an externall sentence quoth maister Dolman as we are externall iudges and condemne these 13. but it must be knowne Well well this is very strange and so that matter was dasht If maister Agent and Doct. Bauyn had proceeded with the rest of their supposed enormious crimes against vs so many as filled vp three sheetes of paper and that M. Dolman would haue bin aduised by thē you see what a prety course of iustice would haue bin held in these assises What all those seuerall accusatiōs were we could neuer haue the fauour to be informed either by M. Agent or his assistants You may suppose they were not great in that we had been receyued with great applause as companyons with them of their holy order if we would but haue yeelded to Fa. Ed. Westons Agenage thereby admitting a kinde of Fryer to be the head of secular Priests as rare a deuise as lightly hath hapned But to returne where we left A separation is made and maister Agent is in his ruffe sitting in a corner with his obedient subiects If we should haue tearmed him Vsher of their new Hall which was his owne chamber and maister Brampston in the like respect their chiefe maister Cooke hauing good oportunitie though he had lyen in his bed to haue ruled the roast the phrases had not bin very improper Howbeit such manner of conceits were then farre from vs our hearts being very greatly replenished with griefe to see so many of our brethren Catholicke Priests and imprisoned for the same cause with vs so irreligiously to separate themselues from vs. Besides we were otherwise set on worke by them in laboring to defend our selues from their diuelish practises in slaundering of vs as though we had bin the men that had made the faction and not they whereas it was most apparant to those that would not shut their eyes that we swarued not one iot from that course which had bin held both by vs and our very honorable reuerend predecessors in that prison as mē that detested such childish innouatiōs Furthermore our sayd griefe was greatly increased in that we were daily aduertised from our friends abroad how many Catholicks in euery corner otherwise very graue and zealous began to fauour this new deuise being possessed with a conceit that we formerly reputed their deere and louing fathers were become on the sodaine without any change at all in vs persons of great licentiousnes such as could neither indure any good order nor holesome discipline Lord thought we whither do these things tend or what will be come of the most auncient and Catholick Romane Religion if the old and constant professors thereof do begin to delight in change and innouations And here by the way we would gladly haue it obserued that as well in all the aforesaid garboyles as in the rest that follow hereafter we that stoode for vnitie haue alwaies been in effect meerely passiue standing still vpon our defence our aduersaries for so our brethren did make themselues practising their best actiuitie to hurt and wound'vs For to keepe their hands and tongues in vre this Gentlemā our said new Agent was no sooner inuested in his Iesuiticall authoritie but presently he sendeth abroad certaine reasons fiue in number to his friends least he should forsooth haue been mistaken in his said publike separation from vs. In which pretended reasons many points being childish and many false we hold them not fit to be here inserted only we haue mentioned them because they driue vs againe to our Apologie by incountring them with fiue others which we will also pretermit the fact it selfe attempted by the Agent and his confederats being so absurd and schismatically handled as whosoeuer doth well know it his owne reason and iudgement if he haue any are sufficient to condemne it You haue heard at large before of our troubles which Doctor Ba. and maister Dolman would gladly wee are perswaded at the first haue compounded but as the matter fell out their paines therein did not only not end them but through maister Agents Iesuiticall skill in shifting and false glosing were the beginning of other new garboyles For he hauing gotten into his hands certaine writings and letters of Doct. Bauyns did pretend and giue it out amongst his friends that he and his adherents had been very willing to haue entred into any good pacification had we not been so obstinate as no reason would content vs. He shewed some Priests of the

that they seldome fall out to be the honestest men who aredriuen so oft to seeke testimonials for the approuing of their good behauior But that is no matter with them and peraduenture that conceit here holdeth not at Rome so as maister Garnet did content himselfe with his owne course and made such haste therin as before August the same yeere the testimonial he got was with Fa. Parsons in the English Seminary And here we cannot omit one thing which indeede made vs a little merry in the middest of our sorrow how good Fa. Parsons was troubled with one mans subscription to the sayd testimoniall For thus he writeth as he pretendeth from Naples primo Augusti 1598. to the sayd party After I saw a particular testimony of your owne hand in latine concerning the memoriall giuen vp against the societie I could haue bin content you had not written it but either haue subscribed simpliciter as many other auncient and graue Priests did to the cunning letter as it was written being very modest and most true or that you had sayd nothing at all as well you might haue omitted the memoriall being writ and sent from Plaunders whilest you were yet in Italy and so that it was done and exhibited Te neque consentiente neque conscio for those are only the words of testimony that you giue was not needefull the thing being euident of it selfe and your particular writing so bare a thing vnder the common letter was to detract from all the letter before and for the matter it selfe which was most abhominable false and slaunderous you leaue it indifferent to be beleeued or not beleeued c. Were it not that you might hereby perceiue what packing and practising is amongst these fellowes for the maintenance of their owne credit and how swift they are in the expeditions they take in hand we would haue made no mention hereof because thereby our owne dulnes may iustly be condemned who all this while had not sent our messengers to Rome for the information of his holynes as touching our estates here and the common desire of vs secular Priests for a Bishop as before is mentioned In which slow proceeding we will leaue our brethren for a time and returne to maister Standish attending vpon Fa. Parsons in Rome After this good Father had gotten the Rectorship of the English Seminary it then pleased his Worship to proceede with the cause commended vnto him by his subiects in England Fa. Garnet and the rest We doubt not but that in the meane time he had conferred with his friends and was resolued of the plot he meant to effect the execution whereof was in manner as followeth Standish that honest man must haue accesse to the Popes holynes accompanyed with two runnagates both of them Priests Doctor Haddock and maister Martin Array These must take vpon them and so they did that they were men deputed from the secular Priests in England most humbly to intreate his Holynes that he would be pleased by his most preheminent Authority to appoynt a superior ouer the Church of England And the rather to perswade him thereunto they affirmed like very lying wretches that there was such great dissension betwixt the secular priests and the laytie as great inconueniences would certainely insue except one were placed amongst them that by his authority might reforme and reconcile them Now it is too well knowne that the strife which was heere rested betwixt vs and the Iesuites no one lay Catholick for ought we know being at enmity with any other secular Priests then with some few of vs that were at Wisbich and one or two more abroad that tooke our parts and the dislike that such lay persons had of vs was procured by the false practise of the Iesuites we our selues otherwise hauing neuer offended them nor interteyned any quarrell with them God is our iudge His Holynes hearing and marking well their suite demaunded of them in expresse tearmes if that which they had sayd vnto him proceeded from the desire and consent of his louing Priests in England affirming that otherwise he would in no sort giue any eare vnto them Where-unto maister Sandish very well instructed before by Father Parsons and sufficiently assisted by the sayd two lying Priests answered that what he had presumed to deliuer to his Holynes he had done it most assuredly by their consent If Ananias was iustly charged with lying to the holy Ghost in telling Saint Peter an vntruth being replenished with that holy spirit we see no cause why we may not so charge this dishonest company on with all his assistants Fa. Parsons and the rest in that they Iyed so apparantly to Saint Peters successor the Popes Holynes who we doubt not but that he is likewise indued with the spirit of God in such plentifull sort as the excellency of his high calling doth require For it is well knowne and may be proued most euidently if any dare be so shamelesse as to deny it that if you except Fa. Garnet and some one or two of his adherents the rest of the Priests in England generally were altogether ignorant of that deuise Insomuch as the sayd Standish after his returne into England being asked by certaine Priests how he durst presume so impudently to abuse his Holynes with so intolerable an vntruth he excused himselfe in this sort viz. that when he sayd he had the consent of the secular Priests in England to make that motion his answere therein was made by him Cautè that is subtilly or by equiuocation meaning to himselfe viz. as he supposed or presumed which words he kept in his minde and vttered not By which vngodly shift the tyranny wherewith now we are oppressed was hatched By this so false and Iesuiticall a sleight the Popes Holynes being abused as you haue heard committed that matter so propounded vnto him to the further consideration of Cardinall Caietane protector of the English Seminary and to Cardinall Burghesius which was the very plot that Fa. Parsons before had layd the sayd Cardinall protector being one with whom he the sayd Parsons had especiall familiaritie and friendship and by reason of his protectorship ouerruled the other Cardinall as he thought good so as they two being appointed for this seruice Parsons deseignement was in effect thereby accomplished Well it had hapned to vs if his Holynes had bin at that time indued with that worthie gift of the holy Ghost tearmed discretio spirituum that when he made this deputation to the Cardinall he might haue sayd to the aforesayd false wretches why haue you lyed to the holy Ghost that thereby either some extraordinary calamitie might haue fallen vpon them or his Holynes haue taken some other course for the inflicting vpon them such punishment as they deserued But the matter passed as you haue heard and Parsons must contriue it as he thinketh it conuenient which he did in sort as followeth One must gouerne all the Priests in England but Parsons durst

skorne to come to any one but where they may be daintily and costly entertayned they looke not after the cottages of the poore nor minister their help to them be there neuer so much need Moreouer they are so delighted with equiuocation or a subtile and dissembling kind of speech as that to the scandall of others they are not ashamed to defend it in their publick writings There were read before the Iudges on the bench in open Court and in the hearing of all the people the letters of a certain Iesuite named Southwell wherein equiuocations were most absurdly defended which gaue cause of laughter to the hereticks and occasion of scandall to the Catholicks They take pleasure also to scatter rumors and to suggest certaine nouelties in the eares of Catholicks yea to forge and inuent things that are not insomuch as they are commonly held now a dayes great lyars and it is come to that passe that though they sweare men will not beleeue them All Vniuersitie men and such as haue taken any degree in schooles and such in our countrey are most regarded they hate most despise contemne and reproch It is a common report in England that had it not bin for the pride and ambition of the Iesuites there had eare this bin graunted some toleration in Religion To conclude omitting all other things which are very many I wil only rehearse one which I haue heard of many that it is come to this passe now that the Catholicks stand in more feare of the Iesuites then of the hereticks For the hereticks say they can but chasten the bodie only but the Iesuites wound both their bodies and their good name They do not indeed directly cause Priests to be apprehended but indirectly That is hauing spread some reports of them whereby their good name is taken away so as they stand suspected either of heresie or of some other heynous offence no Catholick entertayneth them and so consequently they are driuen to pouertie how can they escape the hands of the hereticks And albeit they lye in prison and bonds and are many wayes tormented if they be not crowned with the glory of martyrdome they shal neuer be purged from that former suspition but shall be accounted euery day more and more as hereticks Certayne chiefe points of accusations wherewith many English men haue iustly charged the Iesuites vnto the Pope and diuers Cardinals taken out of the Memoriall and other letters some of them dated at Rome 8. of Nouember 1597. Touching the Iesuites in England THe Fathers of the Societie do dissent among themselues Fa. Henrie the superior and Fa. Edmonds in the Prison at Wisbich and there 26. Articles of their dissension If any Priest haue a conuenient place of residencie the Iesuits will not cease vntill they haue cast him out and that by wicked meanes by defaming him and bringing him into suspition That the Iesuites are the firebrands of all soditions That the Iesuites by right or wrong seeke simply and absolutely the Monarchie of all England They are enemies to all secular Priests They are the causes of all the discord in the English Nation They are called of the schismaticks horse-leaches or bloud-suckers That Fa. Parsons and Sir Fra. Inglefeild Knight deuised the complot to set the Cardinals Aldobrandinus Caietane and the Bishop of Cassana together by the cares and to fall foule one vpon an other N. wrote to Cardinall Allen that Fa. Holt stoode guiltie and might be accused by him of such infamous matters as he durst not make mētion of in his letters That Fa. Holt did not only intend but would indeede giue wretched England in Conquest to himselfe and his fauorites That Fa. Holt and his companions had gathered such an infinite masse of money from the Catholicks in England for dispensations or vnder the colour of expending it to their vses as many credibly affirmed it to exceede the summe of 50000. pounds english which make two hundreth millions of Italian Scutes That the Iesuites haue driuen certaine excellent men to desperation inforcing them to leaue England and to enter into some religious order or to take some other miserable course That the Iesuites in England by certayne cunning sleights hauing gotten into their hands all authoritie good estimation and all the stock or treasure of money do what they list at home and abroade They thrust out and let in hire and buy intercept letters and maintayne factions as they please them selues That Fa. Holt in Belgia and Parsons in Spayne haue continued these nine whole yeres to the great gricfe of the Nobilitie and Clergie and haue procured themselues to be continued the Kings seruants That there are many things in the dealings of these Fathers which offend good men viz. the contempt of Nobilitie the turning away of Students from the Colledge at Doway the attempting to bring the most flourishing kingdome of England into a Prouince the polling and pilling of Catholicks in England vnder the colour of holy vses by intollerable fraude a continuall enterdeale with hereticks and men of suspected religion There must be care taken that the Priests in England may haue either equall or greater faculties then the Iesuites seeing their pride by reason of their large faculties is fenced as it were with authoritie That the English Nobles which are in Belgia wonder that his Holynes suffreth Iesuites in England who are the firebrands of all contentions especially in any place of authoritie and that these ten yeers and more notwithstanding the miserable clamor and lamentations of our Nobles and Gentlemen who be oppressed vnder the yoke of slauery and their tyrannie The Iesuites do withstand any mans comming out of England into Belgia vnlesse they know him prepared to write to speake to do what they will and that he sweare to be ruled by them and herein they exercise notorious tyrannie Other infinite matters of this nature are omitted which are conteyned in the letters that are kept vpon record Taken out of letters dated at Rome 8. Nouember 1597. Concerning the whole Societie and the Iesuites at Rome THe Iesuites are so ambitious as not content with the bounds which their Fathers placed in their vnsatiable desire they haue alreadie swallowed vp Kingdomes and Monarchies That being led by this ambition they go about to change the forme of the Hierarchie or supreme gouerment of the auncient Church by disordered packing That this pride and ambition of the Iesuites is the cause of seditions not only in England in the very prisons there in the Low Cuntries and in Italy but all the world ouer That this their ambition hath taken footing not only in Prouinces and Cities but also in priuate families it separateth brethren one from an other and the husband from the wife inflaming them with rancor and enuie one against another That men must giue way to the time as in the controuersie at Rome least while they set a damme against the streame of this their pride the raging course thereof do

expedient that they should not returne into the Countrie for a season without leaue Now let them consider who are of higher capacitie then my selfe how this sentence is opposite vnto the censure of Paris that in doubtfull causes to appeale or sue vnto Rome is neither schisme nor sinne for my wit is too simple to reach vnto it Well to draw towards an end After that this good man had in ouer great haste taxed the censure of the Vniuersitie of Paris as preiudiciall vnto the dignitie of the Sea Apostolicke and contrarie to the Popes breue and Cardinals sentence he forsooth and if you lift to beleeue him telleth you that he meaneth not to disgrace that most famous Vniuersitie Surely if he thought that he could disgrace it he deceiued himselfe fowly For the grace credit and renowne of the vniuersitie of Paris little dependeth vpon the verdit of so base and meane a Magistrate and contemneth the bald vnlearned reprehensions of such simple Clarkes If they meane in substantiall arguing to coape with so honourable a companion let them put downe plainely the case as it was proposed vnto them with their censure and withall in Latine as they may vnderstand it without passion disproue it like Diuines and then it may be if they see any thing worth the answering that they will giue sufficient satisfaction to the world of their censure In the meane season it must needes bee small honour vnto the Archpriest and others of his band to oppose themselues against the most learned catholicke and famous Vniuersitie of Paris as he himselfe acknowledgeth it who doe still auouch and will vphold their censure for iust and true in any place wheresoeuer it shall be called in question which me thinkes should much moue all good Catholickes not so stifly to backe that side against other innocent men who after so long and fruitfull trauels for our Countrey are now for nothing as it were mightilie wronged in their good names and credits I for my part who alwaies haue most tenderly loued the Catholicke cause am most sory to see such pitifull dissension about trifles and doe most earnestlie in visceribus Domini nostri Iesu Christi request and require the Archpriest and those that are ouer passionate on that part to content themselues with the submissiō of others vnto the Popes Holines Breue which was a high poynt of perfect obedience considering what slender audience was giuen vnto those whom they sent and leaue off that fruitles iangling whether they sinned before or no or what kind of sinne it was Who would not haue thought but that vpon the receite of the Popes Breue and obedient acceptance thereof all would haue been quiet and appeased one forgiuing another if ought before had passed amisse and all ioyning together in defence of each others credit and good name which was and is most necessarie for the maintenance of the common cause and comfort of all Catholicks Well at the length yet for Gods honour and the holy Churches good and your owne quietnes returne vnto that Christianlike and brotherly peace and charitie so much desired of all entire and deuout Catholicks which that our louing Sauiour may giue you grace to doe my humble prayers haue alwaies been and shall neuer I hope fayle Thus in all dutie and affection recommending my selfe to your good prayers I desire to be partaker of your fruitfull trauailes At Agen the 4. of August Your humble brother and seruant in our Lord Iohn Dorel We were here constrained to breake off for feare of some danger by an intended search so as we haue omitted M. Blackwels letter mentioned pag. 49. with answere vnto it which together with some other matters you shall receiue ere it bee long In the meane while we commit our selues to your faithfull prayers and you by ours vnto Almightie God