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B07515 A description of new Jerushalem being the substaunce of two sermons deliuered at Paules Crosse. Containing, a briefe discouery and conuiction of certayne doctrines held of Romanists and Brownists against the Catholike and Apostolike faith. / By Henoch Clapham.. Clapham, Henoch. 1601 (1601) STC 5336.5; ESTC S91453 37,377 126

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into this land in the Apostles times according to that in Rom. 10.18 Tertullian Tertull. aduers Iud. ca. 7. saith Britannorum inaccessa Romanis loca Christo vero subdita c. That the Britans euen in such places as Romaines had not accesse vnto they were subdued to Christ That S. Paul after his first captiuitie at Rome should come into these partes Theodoret writeth Theod. l. 9. de cur Graec. affect Niceph. l. 2. ca. 4. Nicephorus affirmeth that Simon Zelotes came into Britaine And Iohn Bale from auncient Gildas our writer and from others affirmeth that Ioseph of Arimathia was sent into Britain by Philip the Apostle after the dispersion from the Galles this to be about the yeere of our Lord 63. Yea that Iames with some others did repaire to and preach in Ireland Vincentius Vinc. 8. c. 7. writeth But more of this I haue written in my Antidoton Who came first hither with the Gospell it skilleth not sure we are it came here for we find it here and the Brownists against his owne soule must confesse it except they will tell vs that them selues haue receaued the Gospell vpon Sea or in some foraigne country Obiection But this proueth no way an orderly plantation of the Church to haue bin here Ans Yes forsooth except you wil haue a companie of beleeuers dwelling together in the Faith as the Church first did lodge in a myles compasse by Welles now tearmed Glascon-bury to liue without rule without forme of true gouernment If they liued at first like Libertines which no sober spirit can think then we must greatly lament that none of the Brownists were then with them for instructing them in discipline Obiection Let it be what soeuer it was yet we find not true discipline now Ans Some of you haue also said that neither we haue the Gospell but if some of you vpon better aduise do graunt we haue the Gospell for the substance I think ye had best graunt also discipline for the substance that is such externall gouernment as for the substance at least doth stand for the Gospell for Christ And that the Gospell shall so soundly be preached and gouernment so faithfully executed of any Churches in these last times as was at first none of wit can beleeue because our Sauior and the Apostles do fore-tell the contrarie Math. 24 37 38 39 Luk. 17 22 23. Math. My Antidoton openeth that point at large 13 24 c. 1. Tim. 4 1 c. 2. Tim. 3 1 c. Reuel 13 11 c. 2. Thess 2 3 c. and yet no reason nor warrant of running out of the Catholike wheat-field or Church vnder a pretext of Replantation but rather to keepe within and as we can and may to labour for Reformation But where they say You want Christs gouernment and in the roume thereof you haue Antichristes and therfore we seperate I more particularly answer First after Peters confession in Math. 16 our Sauior doth not promise that outward Church-gouernment shall preuaile for euer against Hell-gates and themselues graunt it hath not but only A true being of the Church by reason of the Rock wheron it should be builded Secondly let them marke that Peter maketh no confession of Church discipline for as yet he had not learned that but of Christ Iesus to be as verilie the Son of God vnseen of flesh and blood as he was man well seen of flesh blood Who beeing the Christ or Messiah did verily carry with it that there was no other by whom Saluation was wholie or in part to be effected And the knowledge beliefe and apprehension of this not exteriour discipline is the essential foundation of the Church Which who so holdeth in the vnitie of the Catholike Church they are to be held of this Catholike Citie and not because of imperfections to be seuered from because Iehouah is Shammah There Thirdly let them consider that as outward Church gouernment is not the mark or badge euer of true Christians for in the Brownists iudgement many of the Anabaptists haue that and we know that Iesabel with her spiritual children Balaams sectaries the faction of beastly Nicolaitans c. Reuel 2. 3. they were in the Asian Churches rightly established and possessed of right gouernment but yet bearing the badge of Antichrist so neither is humane regiment a marke euer of false Christians For if Christ his gouernment externall it can not cause all vnder it to be vnto vs true visible Christians much lesse can humane regiment or Antichrists outward gouernment cause all vnder it to be of vs reputed Antichristes Seeing Anti-christes gouernment can not haue more vice in it then there is vertue in Christes Fourthly they know not what Antichrists marke is for if euery good thing be not the marke of a true Christian for Arrius Nestorius yea euery Heretike holdeth some good thinges so neither can euery bad thing be the badge of Antichrist for then euery man should be Antichristian seing euery man at least somtimes hath some bad thing visible in him As Antichrist is opposed to Christ so in nothing so much as in the verie foundation of Religion ●●r which the Apostle S. Paul tearmeth him Anti-keimenos 2. Thess 2.4 the Layer of an opposite foundation And in very troth as it is the verie essentiall truth of the Gospell which is the mark of a true Christian so it is the very fundamentall falshood of Antichrist for the which he is entitled Antichrist his members Antichrists The foundation false not hay stubble c. vpon a true foundation 1. Cor. 3.10 c. is the beastes marke differencing his people essentially from Christes Obiect But the Apostle saying Let euery man take heed 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 how he builds not 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 what he builds it argueth he there speaketh of the manner of teaching not of the matter taught I answer He intendeth both maner and matter And that may be seen First by comparing the 2. chap. the 1. verse with that which foloweth there in this chapter for he compareth not only his plaine manner of teaching with humane Eloquence but also the plaine matter of the Gospell with the worlds wisdom which elswhere he tearmeth Coloss 2.8 Philosophie Secondly gold siluer c. hay stubble c. they cannot in any proprietie so much resemble manner as matter specially compared with Fire which is not appointed so much to trie the manner as the matter or thing it self Thirdly seeing Eloquence may stand with Christ the foundation first for that it is the gift of God 2. is sanctified to his people Exod. 4.10.11 Eccles. 12.9.10 Act. 18.24 1. Cor. 1.5 Lastly an hundred schollers may be called together for defining fully what is the Primitiue forme of Church-regiment and 3. of them though otherwise goodmen not be found in one iudgment for all things How vnwise therfore are these people that about the forme of discipline do rend