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A09551	An ansvvere made by one of our brethren, a secular priest, now in prison, to a fraudulent letter of M. George Blackwels, written to Cardinall Caietane, 1596, in commendation of the Iesuits in England	Philalethes, Andreas.; Copley, Anthony, 1567-1607?, attributed name.; Charnock, Robert, b. 1561, attributed name.; Blackwell, George, 1546 or 7-1613.	1602 (1602)	STC 19830; ESTC S120908	20,743	44

amongst vs the breath wherof did at any time a little more grecuously mooue vs. Men surely we are compassed with many infirmities but praise be to God in so great a course of most wicked time we haue been so couered with diuine grace that nothing that I know hath hapned which at any time hath cast vs from the state of mutuall peace and brotherly concord P. Deinde expergiscebar And then I awaked A man might dreame as here you write Master Blackwell because for the most part dreames goe as they say by contraries But for a Catholike priest broad-waking to write in this sort to a Cardinal to Rome the citie of God it is most abhominable Is all your whetting come to this If in so many materiall points as here you haue touched any one had been true I could haue borne with you more willingly but all of them being so notoriously false I blush on your behalfe to consider your impudencie First therefore whereas you say in such generall tearmes That some of vs that bee secular Priests for I cannot see how you can meane any other men ignorant of the state of things here haue affirmed that wee the secular Priests in England are at warres amongst our selues I dare be bold to say it that you write therein vntruly I am somewhat better acquainted with this matter than many of my Brethren being peraduenture my selfe then in Rome or knowing at the least whom you did then ayme at If any did so write or report as here you affirme hee was either a Iesuit or such another hyreling as your selfe suborned by the Iesuits to write in that maner of purpose to work their designments against our credits vtterly to subuert vs. Of which kind of persons we hold this opinion That they haue separated themselues from vs and continuing in their Iesuitisme are no right secular Priests but Mongrels betwixt both and therefore to be no better esteemed or beleeued in their speeches than the veriest Iesuit amongst vs. Againe if you meane by your words Sed temerè aiunt They speake rashly c that there was then no contention at all amongst sundry of vs that were Priests imprisoned then that is also most false For you know the stirres that were then at Wisbich few men better amongst the secular Priests for the setting vp of a certain Geneua platforme tearmed an Agenage So that if any of vs about that time did write to Rome how the Iesuits laboured to set some of vs together by the eares amongest our selues for their aduantage hee writ therein most truly and you haue not any sparke of grace left in you if you denie it Furthermore in that you denie that wee the secular Priests were then at a iarre with the Iesuits you are therein so false as I want a fit word to taxe you for it Had not Master Garnet and Master Weston attempted then to haue brought all our necks vnder their yoaks Did they not tell vs plainly that they saw no reason why the Iesuits in England should not as well rule vs all here as the Iesuits in Italy did rule the English Seminarie in Rome Were there not most vntrue reports made by them against vs of purpose to withdraw all the Catholikes hearts from vs Was ther not in this our contention great partaking some holding with vs and some with the Iesuits You know it full well and thrust your selfe as a stickler amongest vs with great hypocrisie God he knoweth Whereas therefore you further say that the Fathers sought not to bring vs seculer Priests into contempt whereby they might beare all the sway ouer vs and that for 20 yeeres you knew of no such contention amongest vs Priests with priests or Priests with Iesuits as tended to the breach either of peace or concord you are in danger to become one of his crue who is tearmed by the Apostle to be the father of all lyes Homines sumus We are men you say but you might herein more truly say Daemones sumus we are Diuels vnderstanding your selfe and them that set you to this shamefull worke I protest before God that I was at the writing hereof in a kind of agonie to thinke that euer a Catholike Priest of my reputation should dare to write in this impudent maner Why Master Blackwell how commeth this to passe If men saw you not yet God you know is not ignorant of this Machiavelisme Shake hands therefore with Iesuitisme repent you of these courses and returne againe vnto vs. You were not wont when you and I were first acquainted to be so immodest Let me obteine of you for our old acquaintance Master Blackwell to tell me here this one thing With what face durst you write that you hoped the sayd accusation of the Iesuits insolent pride in seeking dominion ouer vs would for euer be dashed hereafter as conquered and suppressed tuo valde exiguo testimonio By your verie slender testimonie Or if your face was hard inough what said your conscience Or if that were seared where was your wit learning judgement common sense were they all gone a wooll gathering you might haue remembred that you your selfe did tax them for seeking dominion ouer their brethren at Wisbich But a man puft vp with pride hath no vnderstanding but is become like a beast of the field Your testimony If the Cardinall had knowne you indeed as we doe hee would not haue esteemed your testimonie worth two chips B. As touching the other part of the Accusation which is built vp more iniuriously against the reuerend Fathers of the societie of Iesus that surely will most easily shrinke being pressed with it own waight of falshood nesse charitie than Master Parsons and I warrant you he will giue you a low beck and with his eyes hands lift vp to heauen yeld by many degrees to that worthies perfection And then remember I pray you good Master Blackwell the old saying Caelum non animum mutant qui trans mare currunt If Maister Parsons bee the best of that crue then assuredly bad is the best And howsoeuer now you flourish for a time through his good fauour yet when hee shall know what once you thought and spake of him since hee was a Iesuit downe you must as fast if he himselfe can keepe his owne footing Although indeed he neuer preferred you to your high estate for any other true cause than that knowing your weaknes hee was sure you would bee at his commaundement so as the preferring of you to your Archpresbitership was in effect as if hee had preferred a Iesuit But yet downe you must If the waight of your owne folly break not your own neck by the insolent abusing of your place yet the blasphemie which you haue vsed against him will neuer be forgiuen B. Surely we should bee verie vnthankfull if wee should not prosecute them with honour as our Fathers embrace them with loue as our friends worship them with dutie as beneficiall

AN ANSVVERE MADE BY ONE OF OVR BRETHREN A SEcular Priest now in prison to a fraudulent Letter of M. George Blackwels written to Cardinall Caietane 1596 in commendation of the Iesuits in England Newly imprinted 1602. The Preface I Here commend vnto you good Catholicke Reader this Treatise following penned by a Catholick Priest in answere of a letter written by M. Blackwell about fiue years since to Cardinall Caietane In which treatise the authour amidst many of his greefes a little to sollace himselfe doth play with the said M. Blackwel but vvith such modestie as well becommeth his calling the vanitie and falshood of the partie he dealeth vvith considered Which two qualities together vvith his rude presumptuous Epistolizing to Graces doe so anatomize the man as I could not let him passe vncoated vvith a Preface agreeing to the treatise as not knowing neither hauing euer been taught to call a tree by any other name than a tree a gull a gull a Coridon a Coridon Et sic per omnies casus cum stultorum plena sunt omnia I can say no more but that of Iesuitisme there is too great plentie in England the more is the pittie and the greater is like to be our miserie For as I hear say Tom Long Carier is comming on his iorney in the vvide vvay to perdition vvith Antichrist and it is further reported That the Iesuits Puritanes Iews Turks Mahometans others of that rable striue for the supremacie vvhich of them should first own him to make him the great Muster-maister vnder Damp-Sathanas in his dismall march to make the conquest ouer the kingdom of Iesus which is the mark al these do shoot at Well it is a strange case that the Iesuits should bee such fellowes but much more strange that good M. Blackwell is become so rude ruricall courtly insalutatiue scribling to princes or rather Caesar-like take vpon him vvith Vene vide vici to send abrupt apostrophall congratulations to Cardinals but most strange of all is this That a condensed multitude of populorums vvil not or cannot see vvood for trees but vvill still call chalke cheese beasts men moldhils mountaines and so backward againe and all by contraries But seeing it is so Pian piano I haue here laid down before your eyes the Crow Black well suited in sables set vpon a stake in pale proper pinyoned as it vvere the vvhile vntill you may blazon the Cras croaking foule in her owne pure naturals And to complie a little more formally with the text you shall gentle Reader vnderstand that this Black-wel-mand-Statist in comporting of Cardinals vvith vncourtly complements was as it seemeth in such a sweuen vpon the suddain of an odde cōceited Monarchie as he imagined himselfe to be Monos though in very deed hee is but a Iesuits Spanified Monopolos that is in plain English abstract from all Hyperboles and Rhetoricall figures the extortionall tythes and imposts or rather the very dregs or a grosse Chaos Rudis indigestaque moles non bene iunctarum discordia semina rerum of all the Iesuits Machiauelian drifts Prothenian plots and Catelinian countermined conspiracies for a conquest Which vaine conceit of that matter in these men is now made so apparent as a very Ninnie cannot but perceiue it and the blind tankerd-bearer with helpe of his dogge and his bell may smell it out at midnight For otherwise why doe they of the Spanish faction gape so much after newes out of Ireland Why doe they linger and dally off the time in the Low countries without comming to any serious parle or consent to make satisfaction for their misdeeds and restitution of Priests and Princes good names and other wrongs done by them Why doe they band it out with Spanish souldiors at Kinsale and other places new fleets stil flocking afresh thither yea and giue it out in plaine tearmes both by vvord and vvriting That they vvill neuer come to anie agreement peace and concord vntill they heare an end of the Irish vvarres Why should they bend all their vvits to these desperate traiterous courses vnlesse their stratagemicall instigators vnderstanding that M. George Blackwell is of late summoned to appeare vvhere he vvould not they thereby saw their Arche readie to fall and their Top-gallants in daunger to break their necks from off their loftie stand the verie imaginarie opinion vvhereof hath amated them with so desperat amazements on the one side their guiltie conscience tormenting them for banding a bad cause and on the other side an enuious feare of a happie successe to the secular cleargie in their appeale to the supreme Patriote of the Apostolick See and mother citie causing them in defence of the Catholick Roman church and Common-wealth of Christendome in generall and of Englands little church Catholicke and vveale publicke in speciall as that hereupon and for and through their many other practises their heads are stuffed vvith so many quiddits as they quarter and braue it out euery where but especially beyond the seas with the great hopes they haue of making England a Iaponian Island by conquest of Ireland according to the old prophecie He that England will win through Ireland he must come in What man Ireland Yea I say Ireland What Ireland woon from her Maiestie yea and from Teron too Tush man it is a ieast Well a ieast it may be tearmed in respect of the Iesuits fantasticall assurance but they goe about it in such sad earnest as all the vvorld may now discerne them to bee ranke traitours and they so persuade their fautors as all the Iesuited faction stand so much vpon their puntoes in hope of these Lucian towers that they vvill neuer yeeld to the appellants as some of thē haue alreadie blabd it abroad vntill Ireland be vvholly theirs or else all the poore Spaniards haue an Irish tricke plaied them in a triple turne betwixt their heads and their shoulders But vvhat said I will they be desperate Yes verily for they haue no other meanes in the vvorld to feed their faction with but the hope of Ireland onely as their case now stands O huge be these religious Iesuits Well well I see all is not gold that glisters nor all pure Saints that haue Puritanes faces but c. and there leauing these martiall Iesuits to their pikes let me returne my pen vpon good Maister George his Epistle to Cardinall Caietane vpon which according to the ensuing Commentarie I haue made a Preface as you see from point to point vnlacing it in forme following I haue deducted or rather reducted all the lines of this spruze Black-well-beseene-Oratours Letter gradatim not oblique but direct comformable to the Epistle it selfe euen from the circumference thereof to the centre that by the exenterating of it you may peruse and see as it were in hearing the Anatomie lecture of this new Legifer read vnto you brought forth to be vncased and bowelled before your eyes in open sight from vvhat manner of braine and vaine the stately stile of

Fa. M. Parsons as I suppose how say you was it If not he who then Let the man bee knowne that Gods name may bee thereby glorified Those great works would not bee concealed I haue heard indeed of a certaine verie admirable excercise which the Iusuits haue to cousen young Gentlemen and get from them that which their friends haue left them I could name the parties but you meane not them M. Blackwell doe you Surely except you haue the parties names on your fingers ends you were much to blame to write thus to the Cardinall Or otherwise M. Garnet of likelihood told you such a tale you verie wisely beleeued him But that will not serue the turne for you pretend to write the matter vpon your owne knowledge and professe that you your selfe haue receiued much ease consolation out of their fountaines and that many other Saints in prison haue been refreshed by them It was surely well done of them I and some others could say somewhat for the secular Priests that haue ben long in prison now here now there and yet I do here avow it vnto you M. Blackwell in the word of a priest that I neuer heard of or receiued any one penny of any Iesuits patrimonie vnder that name or as giuen out of a Iesuits owne purse to me or any other for ought I know or can remember and I thank god I haue not hitherto forgotten in my praiers my good benefactors I and others with me haue oftentimes felt some want in prison and were assuredly verie vnfortunate Sitam adsanctos refocillandos in carcere detentos occurrerint if they were euer so readie to helpe vs as these your words import that they neuer came by our dores Out of question if the Iesuits haue been so liberall as you informed the Cardinall you that were abroad still in the sunne-shine deuoured it all we that were in the shadow of prisons receiued nothing But in good sooth M. Blackwel to commune a word or two with you as concerning the great burthen of the day and heat you speak of What hath your burthen beene that you should thus brag of it About 20 yeeres since to my remembrance you were imprisoned in London but your brother being the Bishop of Londons Register by fauor procured your release verie shortly after Since which time the greatest heat that for ought I know you haue endured hath ben by the Sunne in the heat of Summer in troubling your walkings and by the fire in winter when you sat too neer it or by your soft bed when you had too many cloaths vpon you For many Priests that way M. Blackwell haue not had your good fortune such hath been the liberalitie of a right good Gentlewoman towards you I write not this to diminish their merits who haue had their measure of afflictions heaped vp vpon them though they haue escaped imprisonment but of all that number none haue had lesse cause as I thinke to complaine than your selfe And therefore if you that had no greater need did draw from the Iesuits Fountains such store of comfort you did poorer men great injurie and it was surely Beneficium male collocatum Almes euill bestowed But all you write hereof are meet fictions and shamelesse vntruths such as few men but your selfe in England would haue presumed to haue vttered much lesse to haue written to Rome where many wise men could easily discerne your folly or rather dishonestie or at the least could not bee long deceiued by you Wee know you are a man that if you bee clapped on the backe and encouraged you dare write anything but otherwise a checke doth daunt and deject you We doe therefore beshrew the Iesuits that haue put this lying spirit and this audaciousnesse into you Marrie I doe much marvaile that you should bee so grossely bewitched by them as not to spare the Catholikes generally throughout England and involue them also within the compasse of your childish calumniations It might haue been sufficient for you M. Blackwell to haue defamed vs and magnified the Iesuits at your pleasure though you had not pinched at them Alas if they forsake vs what shall we doe It seemeth that the Iesuits with their owne patrimonies will be good vnto you but what will become of vs Wee must sticke to the lay Catholikes and relie vpon their pitifull compassion of our necessities or else we must perish After you haue amplified the Iesuits liberalitie in receiuing of Priests from beyond the seas in feeding cloathing horsing and placing them and therevpon doe further adde how they releeue all sorts of distressed poore Catholikes both in prison and out of prison you doe by the way in a short parenthesis preuent this obiection which might haue been made to the no small blemishing of your ridiculous commendation of their said supposed liberalitie For simple men might haue said or thought that by the exceeding bountie of the laie Catholikes there were dailie supplies of money for such godlie vses and that all the Iesuits commendation is or can bee that they deale faithfully in the distributing of it without anie partialitie but as euerie mans necessitie doth require All this you wisely foresaw and therefore you prepared an answeare readie to meet with any such ignorant men of the affaires in England and with their dull conceits that should so much as dreame of anie such matter Tush it is a toy Nam minima sunt quae ex eleemosynts illis obueniunt for they are scarce mites that by almes doth come to their hands it is their owne patrimonies which they imploy to these good purposes It is verie well saide of you good Master Blackwell and like a tall champion And yet shall I be a little bold with you I knew one Catholike that delivered to the Iesuits for such vses as is before expressed 2200 pounds at the least at one time set me such another Iesuit by him gentle Master Blackwell There bee of our companie as I heare that would proceed in this course with you to the value of ten thousand pounds almost within few yeeres which the godlie Catholikes haue deliuered vnto them And could you answere them summe with summe man with man a Iesuit for a Catholike to so great a rate It is wel known that not long since the Iesuits sent for Flanders 2200 pounds which argueth that if you say trulie that they are but mites which they receiue of the laytie here that besides all their said gifts in England they are able to send so round a summe into Flanders their patrimonies thus imploied were exceeding great I praie you Sir in what Countries lay they But you are so hard harted as I maie aske you what I will for you will be sure to answere me nothing These grosse lies serued in Rome for the time and that was all that your Abettors expected leauing you in the briers poore fellow to scamble out as you can B. Enuie is the companion of vertue