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A52905 Three sermons upon the sacrament in which transubstantiation is impartially considered, as to reason, scripture, and tradition to which is added a sermon upon the feast of S. George / by N.N. ... Preacher in ordinary to Their Majesties. N. N., Preacher in Ordinary to Their Majesties. 1688 (1688) Wing N60; ESTC R11075 101,855 264

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in the Continuation which was to cross him in all things 5. Afterwards * p. 478. the Pope resolv'd that the Continuation should be declar'd let the Emperour do what he could and dispatch'd a Currier to Trent with this Commission If the Spirit had been wont to move the Legates to think as the Pope did why dos Soave tell us that this Commission being arrived the second of June they all resolv'd uniformly to inform the Pope better shew him the impossibility to perform his Order Why dos he tell us that the next day ... at night a Currier came with Letters that his Holiness did refer all to the wisdom judgment of the Legates I might cite you a great deal more to this purpose but this is enough to shew 1. that the Legates spoke freely their minds and acted according to their Conscience 2. that the Pope did not endeavour to hold the Council in servitude XXV Nothing could be debated but what the Legates proposed the Pope's Commissions running with this clause proponentibus Legatis A. 1. At least the Council voted freely upon the matters which were proposed 2. In great Assemblies such a method is necessary to avoid confusion 3. It was at length * Sess 24. cap. 21. de Reform declar'd that the clause was not inserted with design of changing the usual methed of treating matters in General Councils and then Soave says * p. 728. The difficulty receiv'd an end with satisfaction of all You that have read Soave may easily remember a great many passages in which the Prelates over-ruled the Legates forced them to debate things which they had no mind to 1. This clause proponentibus Legatis was * ibid. much agitated 2. The Title of the Council Representing the Universal Church 3. The divine right of Residence 4. The Institution of Bishops being de jure divino 5. The general Reformation of the Church which point might have been pusht perhaps too far if the Legates had not wisely counterpoised it with proposing a sutable Reformation of Secular Princes 6. Concerning the grant of the Cup demanded by the Emperour you read in Soave that * p. 530. the Legates were desirous to give him satisfaction but could not because the party of the negative prevail'd 7. About admitting the Protestant Divines to disputation you find that * p. 343. this opinion was readily embrac'd first by the Dutch then by the Spanish Prelates at last somewhat coldly by the Italians the Legate remaining immoveable and shewing plainly that he stood quiet being forc'd by necessity Give me leave to add one instance more and if you are not fully satisfied with it I shall know what to think of you Read Soave p. 498. 499. and observe 1. how boldly the Bishops of Veglia and Sidonia spoke their minds concerning the corruptions of Rome Reformation of the Pope himself 2. how moderately the Legates other Papalins discoursed about it when the Congregation being ended they remain'd in the place together to consider the boldness too much licence of the Prelates in broaching new matters Upon this occasion Castello who had been Speaker under Julius told them that Cardinal Crescentius was used to interrupt them sometimes impose them silence But the Cardinal of Varmia sharply reprehended this practise said that Nothing is more necessary to a Christian Synod than Liberty and that reading the Councils of the better times one shall find contentions discords in the beginnings of them even in the presence of the Emperours which notwithstanding did in the end turn by the assistance of the Holy Ghost into a marvellous concord and that was the miracle which did pacifie the world He said there were infinite contentions in the Nicene Council most exorbitant in the Ephesine and therefore no wonder if there were now some diversity of opinions civilly carried which he that would resist by human violent means will let the world know that the Council is not free take from it all reputation that it is good to refer the cause unto God who will govern Councils moderate those who are assembled in his name The Cardinal of Mantua approv'd this opinion disliked the proceeding of Crescentius but said it was not contrary to the liberty of the Council to moderate abuses with Decrees prescribing the order time of speaking distributing to every one his own part This was commended by Varmia they agreed to give order for it XXVI Notwithstanding all this the Legates would not give leave to propose the Article concerning the Institution of Bishops * p. 550. Granata Braganza Messina Segovia having obtain'd audience of the Legates desired that they might handle the Articles that Bishops are instituted by Christ are Superior to Priests jure divino The Legates after they had conferr'd together answerd that it was fit to declare a Bishop is superior but * p. 551. that it was not necessary to say quo jure Granata replyd that there was a Controversy and that if the Divines did dispute it the necessity of deciding this point would be known The Legates would not consent by any means A. 1. They did not absolutely forbid the debating of this matter 2. After experience of the contentions about Residence they could not but foresee that this dispute so much connected with the other might occasion greater disorders of which they would have been guilty had they given leave therefore they * ibid. would not consent by any means 3. The Divines Prelates freely took leave though it was not given them never spoke more boldly than they did upon this subject If you will not believe me believe your friend Soave Read what follows believe your own eyes Michael Orencuspe a Divine of the Bishop of Pampelona argued * p. 558. that howsoever it be true and certain that Bishops are superior jure Pontificio yet the Lutherans are not in this regard to be condemn'd for Hereticks because that cannot be an Article of Faith which is grounded only upon the Law of man. * ibid. John Fonseca a Divine of the Archbishop of Granata follow'd saying it neither was nor could be forbidden to speak of it For the Article being propos'd to be discuss'd whether it be heretical or no it is necessary to understand whether it be against Faith against which it cannot be if it do not repugn to the Law of God. He said that if the Pope be instituted by Christ because be hath said to Peter Feed my Lambs Bishops are likewise instituted by him because he hath said alike to all the Apostles as my Father hath sent me so I send you And if the Pope be Successor of S. Peter the Bishops are Successors of the Apostles which he prov'd by many Authorities out of the Fathers He added that to be confirm'd or created by the Pope did not conclude that they