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A46798 A letter concerning the Council of Trent Jenks, Sylvester, 1656?-1714.; N. N. 1686 (1686) Wing J630C; ESTC R217051 46,244 121

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suffering the Article of Residence to be proposed ... because they had an example of the disorder which this dispute caused in the first Council 3. Although I do not find that in this Council the Ambassadors of any Secular Prince ever dissented among themselves in things relating to their Master's interests yet Soave himself assures us that in this case of Residence only two of the Legates were for the Papalins three against them * p. 464. Altemps follow'd Simoneta and the other two adhered to Mantua By which you may clearly see that your Historian was grievously mistaken when he said the spirit was wont to move the Legates to think as the Pope did for by his own computation there were three to two among them who were moved to think quite contrary 4. You remember the contest which arose concerning the third Convocation of the Council The Spanish Ambassador * p. 473. made earnest suit in the King's name that it might be declared a Continuation of the Council begun under Paul III. prosecuted under Julius He was assisted by the Spanish Prelates and others who follow'd them ... On the other side the Emperour's Ambassadors used strong persuasions to the contrary saying they would presently depart protest ... The Legates were divided Seripando had no other aim but that it should be determin'd to be a Continuation ... but Mantua did constantly resist ... Here you may take notice once more that Soave's jests are not always true ones The Spirit did not move Mantua to think as the Pope did for when the * p 474. news came to Rome the Pope was sorry to see that Cardinal joynd with the Spaniards in the point of Residence and opposite to them in the Continuation which was to cross him in all things 5. Afterwards * p. 478. the Pope resolv'd that the Continuation should be declar'd let the Emperour do what he could and dispatch'd a Currier to Trent with this Commission If the Spirit had been wont to move the Legates to think as the Pope did why dos Soave tell us that this Commission being arrived the second of June they all resolv'd uniformly to inform the Pope better shew him the impossibility to perform his Order Why dos he tell us that the next day ... at night a Currier came with Letters that his Holiness did refer all to the wisdom judgment of the Legates I might cite you a great deal more to this purpose but this is enough to shew 1. that the Legates spoke freely their minds and acted according to their Conscience 2. that the Pope did not endeavour to hold the Council in servitude XXV Nothing could be debated but what the Legates proposed the Pope's Commissions running with this clause proponentibus Legatis A. 1. At least the Council voted freely upon the matters which were proposed 2. In great Assemblies such a method is necessary to avoid confusion 3. It was at length * Sess 24. cap. 21. de Reform declar'd that the clause was not inserted with design of changing the usual method of treating matters in General Councils and then Soave says * p. 728. The difficulty receiv'd an end with satisfaction of all You that have read Soave may easily remember a great many passages in which the Prelates over-ruled the Legates forced them to debate things which they had no mind to 1. This clause proponentibus Legatis was * ibid. much agitated 2. The Title of the Council Representing the Universal Church 3. The divine right of Residence 4. The Institution of Bishops being de jure divino 5. The general Reformation of the Church which point might have been pusht perhaps too far if the Legates had not wisely counterpoised it with proposing a sutable Reformation of Secular Princes 6. Concerning the grant of the Cup demanded by the Emperour you read in Soave that * p. 530. the Legates were desirous to give him satisfaction but could not because the party of the negative prevall'd 7. About admitting the Protestant Divines to disputation you find that * p. 343. this opinion was readily embrac'd first by the Dutch then by the Spanish Prelates at last somewhat coldly by the Italians the Legate remaining immoveable and shewing plainly that he stood quiet being forc'd by necessity Give me leave to add one instance more and if you are not fully satisfied with it I shall know what to think of you Read Soave p. 498. 499. and observe 1. how boldly the Bishops of Veglia and Sidonia spoke their minds concerning the corruptions of Rome Reformation of the Pope himself 2. how moderately the Legates other Papalins discoursed about it when the Congregation being ended they remain'd in the place together to consider the holdness too much licence of the Prelates in broaching new matters Upon this occasion Castello who had been Speaker under Julius told them that Cardinal Crescentius was used to interrupt them sometimes impose them silence But the Cardinal of Varmia sharply reprehended this practise said that Nothing is more necessary to a Christian Synod than Liberty and that reading the Councils of the better times one shall find contentions discords in the heginnings of them even in the presence of the Emperours which notwithstanding did in the end turn by the assistance of the Holy Ghost into a marvellous concord and that was the miracle which did pacifie the world He said there were infinite contentions in the Nicene Council most exorbitant in the Ephesine and therefore no wonder if there were now some diversity of opinions civilly carried which he that would resist by human violent means will let the world know that the Council is not free take from it all reputation that it is good to refer the cause unto God who will govern Councils moderate those who are assembled in his name The Cardinal of Mantua approv'd this opinion disliked the proceeding of Crescentius but said it was not contrary to the liberty of the Council to moderate abuses with Decrees prescribing the order time of speaking distributing to every one his own part This was comme●●●● by Varmia they agreed to 〈…〉 for it XXVI Notwithstanding all this the Legates would not give leave to propose the Article concerning the Institution of Bishops * p. 550. Granata Braganza Messina Segovia having obtain'd audience of the Legates desired that they might handle the Articles that Bishops are instituted by Christ are Superior to Priests jure divino The Legates after they had conferr'd together answerd that it was fit to declare a Bishop is superior but * p. 551. that it was not necessary to say quo jure Granata replyd that there was a Controversy and that if the Divines did dispute it the necessity of deciding this point would be known The Legates would not consent by any means A. 1. They did not absolutely