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A84497 The Earle of Pembroke's speech in the House of Peeres upon debate of the citie's petition for a personall treaty, to be had with His Majesty in London. And also upon debate of those reasons given by their Lordships unto the Commons, for not sending the three propositions before a treaty. 1648 (1648) Wing E79aA; Thomason E453_30; ESTC R204953 10,369 16

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venture to talk Reason to the STATE If you were their Fellow-Commoners you might have some reason to make bold to give them Reasons but being as it is me thinks you might know your distance You say you would not have the three propositions offered to the King before the Treaty First because the Citizens here and diverse Counties have petitioned for it The Citizens 'T is true they have brought us in a Petition here for it But the more Rascals they They may go home say their Prayers for they are not like to be heard here What do they pray when they should curse Dam me do they think the States a Camelion to live upon aire good words and Petitions and Treaties They were all for a new-war and drew me in too this time Twelve moneths now they are against a new-war Is there any Reason in this when the States have not yet done their businesse must They doe and undoe as wel as the STATE and now by doing nothing quite undoe the STATE They shal be hang'd first Dam me they shal I am somewhat the more eager against this my Lords because you say 't is Reason but yet I hope the Citizens do not hear me I would not have all that I speak to be spoken on the House-Tops because usually my Lords I seldome speak but I am o' th Top of the House before I am aware But this I say why should they stand for Peace and Treaties that first set afoot the war And now when we expect they should serve another Apprentiship to the STATE to maintain the war they meant to leave Reformation like Dun in the mine and are become so Popish as to Crosse us with Treaties If they were for a new-war this time Twelve-month 't is all the Reason in the world they should be so now What though the Case be not the same nor the STATE the same now that it was then I hope the Cause the State are alive stil and wil be as long as the King and the Cavaliers live out-live them too for They are the Same stil and fitter for another world then the STATES world For the STATES world runs round and hath done so these seven years but the King and the Cavaliers are the same stil And therefore my Lords I shal conclude with as good Logick as any I have left in the University as long as the King and the Cavoliers are the same the CAUSE must needs be the same though the STATE be not the same but mangled and rent and patch't and new-modeld and the Covenant likewise crackt all to pieces And where is your Reason now my Lords doth it not follow then that they ought not to take the same Course to maintain the war against the King and the Cavaliers and not trouble the STATE thus with Treaties especially seeing Guilds Hall is the same the Excise the City-Bags and Publique Faith too are all the very same stil and as full and fluent as ever And if these fellows that come here to vex the STATE thus with Petitions will not go home in Peace to forward a new-war and be the same men again that they have been I hope the Army will come pickle them up in the Tower serve them the Same Sauce their fellows had this time Twelvemonth For what other end I pray you do we keep the Army or the Army keep us And now my Lords that I have done with the Citizens I shall fall upon the Counties What have they to do with Petitions they are out of their Calling they should follow the Plough and let the STATE alone to Harrow and fetch in Harvest I warrant you they had rather have a King and see us Quarter'd then indure any more free-Quarter but I think the States-Guard quarter'd them sufficiently and made drawn-Cats of 'em I mean the Surrey-men so that I think they or the rest will have little stomack again to come a Petitioning What reason then my Lords have you to regard what They say for a Treaty They can but talk you see and the State can fight and be nee'r the more Traitors for it but if these fight they are Traitors presently as soon as we have conquer'd them I tell you my Lords if the STATE had voted me a Soldier I would have no more mercy upon these Fellows than if they were Traitors in gingerbread What though They would bite I have ventur'd ere now the tender'st Member that I have with a biting Thing and layn in a month for it under the Surgeons hands and I 'll venture my Tongue with any Biter of them all but I 'll be sure to have a care of my Head for the service of the STATE and who knows whether I may keep it if there be a Treaty But I wonder what good my head would do them I am not weary of it yet for I never much troubled it nor have been much troubled with it and yet I should be much troubled to part with it 'T is true I for my part never got any thing by it and I suppose no Body else will Therefore they had as good let it alone But neither you have any Reason to venture yours nor I mine and therefore to this part of your reason my Lords I say the Counties are as very Rascals as the Citizens that would have us to pull an old House upon our Heads by a Personall Treaty They would have a disbanding of the Army too would they Bus they shall snap short For I love the Army Dammee I do dearly Sink me they would have us disband I think too and sit no longer but if the Army will love us wee 'll love the Army for why should the Counties be so much against the Soldiers poore wretches Consider my Lords an t were your owne case for it might have pleased God to have made some of us Soldiers And so my Lords I think I have maul'd your first reason against the three Propositions Your second Reason is because His Majesty hath often declared that he will signe nothing till all things be concluded and therefore that the sending of those three must needs cause delay to the Treaty I would have you to know my Lords I am not for delayes I hate them for I think I am as hasty as any man but yet I care not if we delay a Treaty with God or the King till Dooms-day and that I think is a faire time for it may be to morrow for ought we know And it is a very fit time I think since His Majesty will agree to nothing till the conclusion of all things I wish him well he was my Master but I care not much for seeing him nor for kissing his hand I can kisse my Lady May and she is my Mistresse I care not for kissing of men I am an old man and it is not for me to be kissing but if she be for a personall Treaty then indeed this Reason holds