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A84082 Animadversions on a book called, A plea for non-scribers. By Ephraim Elcock. Elcock, Ephraim. 1651 (1651) Wing E325; Thomason E636_2; ESTC R206574 62,788 67

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Democratical the Government of these Deligates is Oligarchical they being chosen out of the wealthiest of every County and both these put together make up a Pol ty as Aristotle calls it but as Plato whose termes differ from Aristottles 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 To prove the erection of this unlawful they much labour but that toyl of theirs might very well have been spared The people of this Land have in all ages had a supreme power over their King and Lords which was exercised by their Representatives who by old Lawes were to meet twice a year and by a latter Statute once a year though the Tyranny of wicked Kings had brought that of late into a disuse Which prescription notwithstanding cannot take away the Peoples right It s vulgarly said That no prescription lies against the Kings Exchequer much less can a prescription lie against the People who are greater then the Prince and for whose sake the Prince hath that priviledge Dicores quatuor esse in quibus sita est tota vis Majestas Reipublicae nimirum Jus Magistratuum creandorum Deliberationes omnes de Pace de Bello Legum lationes tandèmque Provocationes Donatus Janottius de Repub Venetâ pag. 59. Speed Book 5. Chap. 5. Suma imperii bellique administrandi communi concilio commissa est ●assivellau●e Nostro adventu commoti Britani hunc toti bello imperióque praefecerant Caesar Commenter l●b 5. Spe. d. lib. 7. cap. 1. S. 6. saith Junius Brutus The form of Government is that which dat esse operari as Non-scribers say and natural order and reason requires that propriae operationes propriae formae respondeant if therefore it be proved that the Representatives have ever had de jure a power to do the Acts proper to the supreme power it will follow that the supreme power was formally in them and that they were a Common-wealth having supreme Authority in themselves Let me here use the words of a learned Florentine I say saith he that there are four things in which the whole power and Majesty of every politique body is placed the power of creating Magistrates all deliberations concerning Peace and Warre making of Lawes and the last appeales If therefore the Representatives of the people have had the right to create all general Magistrates to consult of Peace and Warre to make and abrogate Lawes and the priviledge of the last appeal to be made to them they have been the supreme power That they have had these Rights I shall prove and begin first with Creation of Magistrates Julius Caesar before whose entrance into this Island the times are obscure through whose mists no Eagles eyes can pierce as the beloved Historian of Non-scribers Speed confesseth found the supreme power of electing Magistrates in a Common-Councel of the people The chief power of Rule and administring the Warre was by a Common Councel committed to Cassivellau●e And again the Brit●ains being troubled at our landing set him that is Cassivellaune over the whole Warre and Empire The Common Councel then that made Cassivellaune King and General was a Tan-Britanicum an Assembly representing all Britain And when the Romans quitted their tooting here the Britains being invaded by the Picts joyntly united their meanes and powers and with one consent elect a King to manage those affair●s which was Vortigerne whom afterwards they deposed and elected his Sonne Vortimer But I must for further satisfaction in this point refer them to the Authour of the Rights of the Kingdom who after many Examples of such Creation of Kings concludes thus We see the Law at lest the ●ustom of those times both for electing anointing judging and executing of Kings themselves among our British Ancestors Conce●ning our Saxon Ancestors saith the same Authour the Minor is very clear that they did elect or chuse their Kings from among themselves who well agrees therein with the witness of Tacitus Rights of the Kingdom p. 55. Rights of the Kingdom p. 35. Reges ex n●bilitate duces ex virtute sumunt Tacitus de moribus Germanorum Soveraign Power of Parliaments part ● p 78. Soveraign Power of Parliaments part 2. p. 41. Soveraign Power of Parliaments part 1. p. 91. who speaking of the ancient Germans of whom the Saxons were a branch saith they chose their Kings for their Nobility their Leaders for their vertue which Testimony informs us that they enobled some for their vertues and out of them chose their Kings Concerning the Normans I have spoken already To conclude with the Testimony of Mr. Prinne who tells us That our Parliament and Kingdom observe the opposition anciently have both claimed and exercised a Supreme Power over the Crown of England it self and that we may be sure what he meanes by Par●iament in another place he saith out of Fortescue Chancellor of England in Henry the sixth's time that Kings were created and elected at first by the general Votes of the people from whom alone they receive all their lawful Authority having still no other or greater lawful power then they conferred on them only for the defence of Lawes Persons Liberties Estates and the Republicks welfare which they may regulate augment or diminish for the common good as they see just cause Neither did the setting of Kings over them divest them of the supreme power it self if Mr. Prinne while a defender of Parliaments may be credited I doubt not saith he but our Parliaments Kings and all other Nations would say they never intended to erect such an absolute eternal unlimited Monarchy over them and that they ever intended to reserve the absolute original soveraign jurisdiction in themselves that if their Princes should degenerate into Tyrants they might have a remedy to preserve themselves An impregnable evidence that the whole Kingdom and Parliament representing it observe what is a Parliament the Representative of a Kingdom and then not the Lords that represent no body are the most Soveraign power and above the King because having the supreme jurisdiction in them at first they never totally transferred it to the King but reserved it in themselves I should tire my Reader should I say all that might be said concerning the Commons Creation of other Magistrates Soveraig● Power of Parliaments part 2. p. 7. Mr. Prinne brings in Sir Edward Cook affirming that the Lord Chancellor Treasurer privy Seal● Lord chief Justice Privy Councellors Heretoches Sheriffs with all Officers of the Kingdom of England and Constables of Castles were usu●lly elected by the Parliament to whom of ancient right their election belonged who being commonly stiled the Lord Chancellor Treasurer chief Justice c. of England not of the King were of right elected by the Representative body of the Realm of England to whom they were accountable for their misdemeanors Rights of the Kingdom p. 77. 78. 2. All consultations of Peace and Warre of right appertain to the Commons of England It was the great Councel saith the Authour of the Rights
yet will not this make them coordinate with the Commons The means are subordinate to the end The Patron is but an honorary servant to his Client As if a Patron having bargained with his Clients adversarie for a share of the profits should betray his Clients cause he would not hurt his Clients rights So the conspiracie of great ones to the hurt and destruction of the people cannot detract any thing from the Peoples right They will fall into the punishment the Law ordains against prevaricators and the Law will permit the people to choose another Patron and pursue their own right Thus Junius Brutus If the House of the Lords then refuse to judge Hamilton's Army publick Enemies if they continue in a destructive Treaty with a Tyrant their Judiciall power which themselves desert is lost The legislative power may deprive them of that power for the future 2. The Fountain of this power considered will shew them not to be coordinate with the Commons The fore-praised Author out of the British Antiquities and an old Law-book called The Mirror shews that the Lords were raised out of and by the Commons of late they have been made by the King Now if the King be not coordinate with the Representers of the People much lesse can they be that have their Honor from him The Kings of England heretofore have been constrained by Parliament to lessen the number of their meniall Servants And although the late Kings might be tolerated to make mushrom Lords to furnish out a Court-jigge or a Coronation-Pomp yet could they make none to equall them who gave Laws to them both the Commons of England 3. The Lords sate in a personall capacitie onely not so much as representing their own Families thence were their Brethren and Sons Members of the House of Commons as Denzill Hollis Nathaniel Fienes c. So many single Persons cannot equall the Representives of the whole people The Senate of Rome who had a greater power then the House of Lords were not equal to the Colledge of the Tribunes of the people Neither should we grant that there were an equalitie of Power between the King Lords and Commons would it follow that therefore they have no power one over the other There are exceptions from the generall rule Par in Parem non habet potestatem Neither will their Major be firm should we keep the terme coordinate For 1. The End of Coordination of Powers is that if one should prove pernicious to the Common-wealth there might not be wanting a Power to restrain it and if necessity require the taking of it away there might be a face of publick Autho●ity remaining 2. Superiors may become obnoxious to their Inferiors when by contract they make themselves so Much more may coordinates become obnoxious to each other if they be all bound to pursuc one end and some prevaricate 'T is to be confest indeed that ordinarily Coordinates have no privitive power over one another but yet the Rule holds not in all cases where one Coordinate endeavors to destroy the End for which it was ordained the other Coordinate may remove it The End of both their Coordination being to be preferred before the means conducing to it and it being not onely dangerous to let the remedie fall into the hands of the multitude but unlawfull for the innocent coordinate to quit his station Constantine the great Pari potestate praediti● notum verò est quod vu●go dicitur Par in parem non habet imperium nibil-ominus tamen Con●tantinus Licinium Christianos in iisque nobiles plaerosque religionis sive causâ sive praetextu re egantem divexantem contrucidantem bello pe●it religionis liberum cultum Christianis vi impetrat fidem denique frangentem ad pristinam saevitiam revertentem Thessalonicae morte mulciari jubet Vindiciae contra Tyrannos Quae. 4. pag. 204. and Licinius were both of them Emperors in one Common-wealth of equall power and that vulgar saying is well known Par in parem non habet potestatem yet notwithstanding when Licinius banished vexed killed many Christians and among them many Noble ones either because of their Religion or under that pretence Constantine waged war upon him by force procures for the Christians free exercise of their Religion and at last puts Licinius to death at Thessal●nica who had broken his promise and returned to his former cruelty so Junius Brutus who also adds that when the Empire was divided between Constantines three Sons and Constantine the eldest maintained the Arrians Constans the yongest the orthodox the yonger threatned the elder to force him to restore Athanasius whom he had banished The Consuls were set up at Rome Ne potestas so●●tudine corrumperetur Florus l. 1. c. 9. Suet. in Julio cap. 49. Plea c. p. 21. lest a power without companion should turn to Tyranny the Consuls therefore were coordinate yet when Caesar affected Tyranny his Collegue Bibulus proscribed him and had he had strength would doubtlesse have executed the sentence he pronounced But yet there is another stumbling block Those that removed the King and Lords are not an House of Commons they are but a parcell of one of the Estates the majority being excluded by them and kept from them by force of Arms. To which I answer 1. By denying that the House did exclude the Members that were excluded at the first the force that was used in exclusion of them was not by the consent of their fellow-Members as appears by their Message to the Generall and Councell of War Neither doth the omission of the prosecution of the Authors of it argue their consent The punishment of an Error suppose that this we speak of be one may be omitted by Authority if such punishment be dangerous to the Publick Peace Page 9. 10. but of this the Exercitation Answered speaks sufficiently 2. By denying that they are kept out by force but by Order of the House which hath power to punish its offending Members The majority of the House that followed the King to Oxford were excluded by Vote The House past severall Votes to exclude them that would not take the Covenant yet none ever questioned the remaining part to be an House unlesse it were the Oxford Cavaliers The majority of the Lords House were excluded by Vote Petition of 12500. c. and kept out by the minor part and yet the Lancashire Ministers call this minor part The House of Peers in their Petition and their Answer received August 25. 1646. the Answer of the House of Peers And I can conceive no reason why the exclusion of some Members out of the House of Commons should make them no House and the exclusion of the major part of the House of Peers not make ●hem no House unlesse it be that Non-scribers have fors●ken their former principles But Plea c. p. 23. this Vote by which the majority was excluded was contrary to the Vote of that
I dare withall confidently aver that the most of such are to be found in Non-scribers Folds whose Pulpit-stuffe both first and last hath been the Doctrine and perpetual infusion of slavery and wretchedness to all their Hearers that I may use the judicious censure of our Iconoclastes Et Turpe est Doctori cum culpa redarguit ipsum it is such guides sin and shame that their people in the midst of such contentions for liberty are no more acquainted with the nature of it which ignorance is the cause why some remain in the infernal vassalage of a mis-informed Conscience and others sin in doing good things doubtfully How their third inducement should be taken from the manner and circumstance of engaging is more then I can see but Non-scribers say it is so in my eyes it was an Argument taken from the noxious event of engaging Non-scribers say they have heard of some perplext for engaging But hear-say is no sound proof with understanding men and if there be any such they shew more tender-heartedness to Non-scribers whose sorrow for subscription when they entred into Orders as they call it wherein they affirmed the Book of Common Prayer and of ordering Bishops Priests and Deacons to contain nothing but what was agreeable to the word of God few or no men or Churches ever heard of no not though they covenanted the extirpation of Episcopacy as contrary to sound Doctrine and the power of Godliness Furthermore * Superstitious persons are as much troubled for neglecting any voluntary service of mans invention as if they had offended against the direct Commandement of God Dr. Sibs soules conflict c. 13. S. 2. Mr. Cotton way of Congregational Churches cleared p. 4. Plea p. 69. 70. a misinformed Conscience may feel wrack agony and anguish for that which is not really sin Mr. Bolton's recanting of his opinion concerning separate Churches Non-scribers will say was not sin yet the sin of this so dogged his Conscience that he laid violent hands on himself and I should think Conscience then to be in its greatest agony when it drives to desperation and self-murther The terrors that fall upon an erroneus Conscience for sinning against that error which it is consciencious in is no Argument to prove that whatsoever is contrary to that error is either sin or falshood Lastly they address themselves to their own dear Disciples to whom they give Councel that might be called good if they had not before taught them to call evil good and good evil Constancy in ignorance and error is so farre from being commendable that it is a high aggravation of sin where it is wilful It is the cause not the suffering that makes a Martyr They that suffer as enemies to Authority are so far from being followers of what is good that they suffer as evil doers But the Epiphonema of their Book which is also the motive they use to build up their Miriones in their obstinacy is most ridiculous Be true say they to just principles that is the Non-scribers and Dr. Ferne's and powers that is the declared King of Scots and Pattentee-Lords and ye shall not be without a King and Lord in Heaven With such sweet allusions do Non-scribers feed their Sheep and truly were they not something like the Thistle-eating beast that made the man smile who never laugh't before their lips would not endure such lettuces Rom. 13.2.6 I had rather believe Paul then all the Non-scribers in England and he tells me that he that submits not to present possessing powers that attend on the business of ruling receives to himself damnation and I must make bold to tell Non-scribers and their misled followers that if ever they come to Heaven they shall find no such Kings there as Non-scribers patronize Tophet was of old prepared for such and Hell opens its mouth upon them Isa 30.33 Isa 14.9 1 Cor. 1.26.27 as upon the Babylonian Monarch that had slain his people and very few of their kind of Lords will be there Not many Noble are called but God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things that are mighty Unto which God I humbly bow my knees beseeching him who causeth light to shine out of darkness to open the eyes of Non-scribers and the seduced by them that they together with us may under the present Authority live a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty 1 Tim. 2.2 And for our Nation I pray that it may long flourish under that Government which God established among his own people when he would have them best governed that it may be thankful for its great deliverance Zach. 2.5.10 and walk worthy of them that God may delight to dwell in it be a wall of fire round about it and the glory in the midst of it even so Amen FINIS