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A79829 The discoverer. VVherein is set forth (to undeceive the nation) the reall plots and stratagems of Lievt. Col. John Lilburn, Mr. William Walwyn, Mr. Thomas Prince, Mr. Richard Overton, and that partie. And their severall seditious wayes and wiles a long time practised by them to accomplish and effect the same. Namely, under the pretence and colour of libertie, and to take off the burdens and grievances of the people, a most dangerous and destructive designe is carried on to deprive the nation of their religion, rights, liberties, proprieties, lawes, government, &c. and to bring a totall and universall ruine upon the land. And so much is here clearely proved. The first part. / Composed and digested by some private persons, well-wishers to the just and honourable proceedings of the Parliament and Councell of state. Published by authoritie.; Discoverer. Part 1. Canne, John, d. 1667? 1649 (1649) Wing C438; Thomason E558_2; ESTC R205840 54,681 62

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light away and darknesse must needs follow Remove men skilfull and expert in the Law and there will be no need to bring in absurdities non sence fooleries for these things of themselves will flow fast enough and over-flow the Nation Againe that men should be excepted against as uncapable to be members of any Civill Court or Councell of State because Judges of the Law it is an objection we are confident never before heard of or propounded by any one What may be objected in regard of personall unfitnesse is one thing but a Domus Juris-consulti est totus Oraculum civitatis Cic. 1. de Orat. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Ad salutem civium civitūque incolumitatē vitamque hominum quietem beata conditae sunt leges Cic. 1. de leg in reference to his profession Quatenus as a Judge of the Law and therefore unfit it is the most sencelesse thing that ever was uttered It is no otherwise then to make a man unfit to take the charge of a Ship or to be appointed the Pilate or Master because he is a skillfull and experienced Sea-man 3. Treasurers of money And why not It will be time enough to give a farther answer when we know the cause and ground wherefore such are excepted against In the mean while we entreat the Reader to observe one thing usuall with these men which is to mention many things but not at all to the purpose for which they bring them Onely amongst the b ●t is a Cannon amongst the Papists De judicio summi Pontificis disputare non licet Gratian decret pars 2. caus 17. Quest 4. cap. si quis nomini If some people did not walke by such a blind rule they would see such froth and vanitie in these men W●ll●ngs as they would reject them for shame ignorant whom they seeke to beguile they thinke it is enough if any thing be spoken because they will ●ot or cannot consider the impertinencies flashes and nothings which they finde in their Papers Their fourth Exception is against Members of the Lords House and some of th● House of Commons ●orward men in the Treatie and decliners of the last proceeding concerning the King and Lords To wh●ch we answer 1. These give occasion here of verifying that Proverb a ●er hath need of a good memory The Parliaments proceeding with the K●●g is one thing against which they doe c Englands n●w Ch●i●e s●cond part ●●g 17 18. protest and yet in this place d●e blame others for decli●ing it thus the thing which in themselves is a vertue and good the very same in another is a vice and a fault So that they are not in practice like a Ship in the midst of the Sea but rather run like Cart-wheels easily to be followed by the f●ule tracts of * Note none called more upon the Parliament for Justice against the Earle of Cambri●ge the Earle of Holland the Lord C●p●ll then this partie and acted more strongly for the accomplishment and when it wa● don to compl●e with the Malignants and to imbitter their spirits they say it was d●n for no o●her end but to make way for t●eir a●solute Dominion Englands new Chaine se●ond part ●●g 17. contradiction falshood and hyp●crisie 2. They are here at their old game to make division between the Parliament and the Councell of State you have heard before how they have been every where else and something they must doe likewise here for nothing is more grievous to them then to see an accord and union between our Rulers Nei●her doe they regard to play the hypocrites before the world so they m●y th●re●y raise contention But the truth is their wiles and way●s now are so palpably gr●sse as there is little feare that any hereafter will be deceived by them unlesse it be some of their own faction or * We meane the Cavaliers such as seeke to take advantage by their treachery to b●ing to passe their own designes But 3. there are ●one ●f the Lords House neither of the House of Commons Members of the Councell of State which did any thing in rel●tion to the Treatie or declined that last proceeding but doe rest satisfied in what is don are reall cordiall and true to the Land and cl●ze unanimously with the rest for common good and therefore t●eir scrupling formerly of some things doth no way dis●bl● them from the present service of the State especially having been approved men knowne to be faithfull and of right and good Principl●s Indeed had they been Levellers restlesse and treacherous and sowers of sedition there had been just cause of excepti●n against them but being men altogether of an●ther spirit peaceable and Peace-makers it was well they were chosen for n● doubt through Gods blessing on their labour mu●h pr●fit and comfort will follow 5. They except against such as were Judges in the Star-chamb●r and approvers of the bloudy and tyrannicall sentences issuing from thence Answ We shewed just now that it is d If the Reader desire to see this to the life let him observe their Booke entituled The picture of the Councell of State Wherein they have blotted foure sheets published two Editions and not one word from first to last which comes neere the matter to which they should have spoken and so much we shall manifest presen ly all one to these men whether there be something or nothing in their Writings for to a simplician a superficious and shallow Reader there is no d●ff●rence or distinction made sense or non-sense reason or rayling all is alike Can there be imagined an exception more light irrationall groundlesse For what if a man had been a member of the High Commission Court or of the Popes Conclave this could not be any just barre whereby he should be disabled from any future office place or imployment if nothing else did appeare and the person otherwise in every respect fitted and qualifi●d for the worke Thus we have answered their Exceptions and vindicated the Councell from their Calumniati●ns One thing yet remaines which concernes their Booke Entituled The Picture of the Councell of State Here is a fit place to discover the vanitie and folly of it especially so farre as the Councell of State is any way concerned in it And here in the first place we shall desire the Reader to take notice of the originall and moving cause wherefore t●e State apprehended them Not onely had these men a long time to the certain kn●wledge of th● Councell of Warre attempte● e We h●ve formerly in p●rt manifest●d so much to w th shortly a mo e full and large Di●●●v●ry shall be a●ded of their trayterous d●signes to b●●ake the Armie by severall wayes to make divisi●n in the Armie ●nd likewise by the Parliam nt were look'd upon and that for many reasons to b● g●e●t I●c●●diaries men most d●ngerous and seditious but withall had m●de a trayterous Booke and spread it abroad and sought
C●mmen● l●b 5. Free Commoners an equall and just G vernment and every man a like in respect of libertie freedome and safetie And this pleased the multitude so well that they followed him in rebellion and treason against the State till at last falling under the hand of Justice came to see and acknowledge their great wickednesse We shall not mention any thing now out of our own Stories but come to the Sowers of discord and sedition amongst us That these men c●mplaine against tyranny oppression slavery Jurisdiction of he sword c. and e The picture of the Councell of State second E i●●on ●ag 14. call on people in ●ll places to joyne with them gainst Robbers Theeves Rebels Murderers f A Decl●ration of the free C●mmoners of England for the Settlement of this Common wealth upon the foundations of an equall and just Governm nt It is w●ll k●own and so much their papers and writings doe declare So that the worke which we have here taken in hand is to Represent in way of A DISCOVERY to the Nation what mischiefe and misery lies hid as a dunghill under snow or a hooke covered with a ba● and is daily acted and cun●ingly carried on under a fal●e pretence of se●king th● publique good and this we shall doe by the good hand of G●d assisting us in a temperate and sober way leaving opprobrious and bitter speeches to such men who having a bad cause cannot otherwise uphold the same But before we come to particulars we shall observe some few generall things as giving much light to our present Discoverie 1. Prudentiall and wise Statists and Polititians have well observed that a conspiracy or sedition lies hatching a while like the Cockatrice eggs and usually before it breakes forth it discovers it selfe by certain symptomes or signes and these ten are noted as most especiall and un-fallable g In lotibulil suis indagenda haec fera quae plerumque antequàm er ū●at al●quibus se p●o lit indiciu n●mpe el●ndest●●●●uentibus call●●●s que elis prof ss●●e od●● praesentu status fassidio cōtēptu minu contradictionibus mutationibus à m●g stratu imminentis ex●ggeratio e● obstaecu●is lepū execution● positis turba met● vulg Frid. Wendellin Instit Pol. l. 3. c 2 p. 494. 1. Private Conventicles 2. Calumniations and vile aspertions 3. Complaints 4. A professed hatred against some men in authoritie 5. A dislike and contempt of the present Government 6 Threatnings 7. Contradictions 8. Discontent at the change of Magistrates 9. Putting obstructions to the ex●cution of the Law 10. Troubling and disquieting the minds of the vulgar sort That these even all of them a●● in those m●n and not a little but as clea●ly to be seen as wa● Gehazr's Leprosie on the forehead we shall manifest in this following Treatise and doe d●sire the Reader to take good notice of it for doing so he shall the better know the tree by the f uit 2. That they may bring th●msel●es into the esteem and favour of the people they pretend and make an outward shew as if no men in the Land w●re so tender and sensible as they of the heavie burdens of the Nation and se●ke to have the people dis-affict●d towards the present Government and G●vernour● by false and sl●nderous insinuations as if the P●rliament m●gh● and could ease them of Tithes Excise Free Q●●rter and o●her Taxes and grievances and will not But this is no new thing for A●s●lom did the like long agoe h 2 Sam. 15.4 Oh that I were made Judge in the Land Good soule how he pitties the people and grieves to thinke that there are no better men in place and were he on his Fathe●s throne the Kingdome should be setled upon the grounds of Common Right Freedome and Safetie But for an●wer to their accusation which is both false and treacherous False for 1. Not onely hath the Parliament declared at sundry times that there shall he upon the people no burden which they possibly can remove but likewise it is their worke and daily study to improve all lawfull wayes and meanes to the utm●st of their power for the settlement and constitution of this Common wealth in safety peace and freedome 2. For the things which they complaine of as the Oppressions and Burdens of the people If the particulars be rightly understood as Taxes Tithes Excise and the rest truly more for the present cannot be done and if men would but confi●●●● in what condition wee are and how matters stand with us both at home and abroad they would not blame the Parliament for this grievance or that burden which as yet cannot be otherwise nor remedied These are Rules and Maximes in Law Reason and Nature i Ad impossibile neminem obl●g●●s l. si quia ut gravia Syll●● No man can be bound to an impossibiliti● Likewise k Rationes naturales pro ●eg bas amplectendas L. Cum Ratio de ●o●da●● Naturall Reasons are to be received for Lawes So againe l In necessitatibus leges non servari l. ut gradatim sect 1. de Man honor In necessitie the Law lawfully may be broken And m Omne incōmodum aliquo commodo compensandum l. 1. sect fin de aqua pluu there is no discomm●ditie but hath amends made with some commoditie All which holds true here and rightly may be applyed 3. And let it be well observed how their practice here for all the world is as if a man should binde another hand and foots and afterward beat him because he doth not goe Who but th●se men are the chiefe obstructors of Reformation and the settlement of the Common-wealth and by their conspiracies and treacherous designes increase the Grievances and Burden of the people and then strike the Governours because the work is not done It can be prov'd if need be that the Land is put to an hundred thousand pounds yearly charge by their me●●●● besides much prejudice and sufferings otherwayes and therefore the free Commoners of England have just cause to declare and pronounce against this Faction for oppression and crueltie exercised upon their fellow-brethren and that Excise Sesments Free-Quarter c. are the longer continued and things tending to publick good not don because of them It is a notable shift sometimes practised by an old thiefe being pursued with hue and cry to cry out Stop the thiefe stop the thiefe thinking that no body surely will suspect him to be the man whilst they heare him to cry out thus after another These men have learnt such a trick Lord what a noyse they make against Tyranny Oppression Crueltie c. Charging others therewithall supposing no doubt that no man will imagine that they are the THIEVES the Tyrants Oppressours Murderers howsoever the truth is the Robberie is committed by themselves 2. Treacherous to conspire against the Supreame Authoritie of England and to stirre up the people n Picture
the very way and course whereby former I●cendiari●s and Conspirators have used to effect the same is at th●s day and by this partie practised to a hair 4. In the last place we shall observe what they say d Manif●station pag. 8. Could we have had any ●ssurance that what is d sired should have otherwise or by any have been don and had not had some ●aste of the relinquishment of many good things what were proposed we should not have been so earnest for the doing thereof To which we answer 1. Howsoever the Parliament hath sate long and not so much don for publ ck good as hath been expected neve●thelesse this cannot be justly cha●g d upon the present House of Commons for it is well known the freedome and power which now they have it hath been but a little while in their hands neither have they been long in that capacitie as now they are to manage and settle the affaires of the Common-wealth whosoever therefore shall duly consider the shortnesse of the time the many oppositions obstructions and discouragements which the Lord hath brought them through and in what disorder and confusion things lately were what divisions in the Land and the many strong parties against them and lastly the many good things which they have don he shall see more cause to blesse God for his goodnesse and mercy towards us in preserving us from the snare and pit then to murmure or complaine against men b●cause this or that is not also don There may be no fault either in the Physick or Physician and yet the patient remaine longer si●k then he desires to be 2. For the many good things which they speake of we shall shew by and by what they are as the dissolving of the Councell of State breaking of the Army neglecting and loosing Ireland opening the Presse to all scandalous and seditious Libels and turning the Land into a wildernesse For other things which truly tend to the freedome and safetie of the Common-wealth the Parliament hath not Relinquished nor any one of them nor ever will but daily endeavoureth to free all men from all burdens and oppressions and no doubt as was said the Peoples Enlargement and Comfort this way would be much the sooner were it not for the conspiracy and sedition of those men 3. As delayes are dangerous so sometimes hast makes wast Festina lente was Augustus Emblem Great stones are not laid in the building without some time and great labour because of their weight but once placed remaine long Charles King of Naples was surnamed C●nctator Delayer because he stayed till opportunitie was past But Fabius the shield of Rome was so called because he onely stayed till opportunitie was come From Generals we come now to a more particular Dij veri● Till we saw their Manifestation we could not well tell nor hardly guesse what for men in many things they would have the world thinke them to be There indeed they e Manif●station pag. 6. professe that they beleeve there is one eternall and omnipotent God the ●●ther and preserver of all things in the world And denie to be either Atheists or Antiscripturists But what Athieist for advantage and to serve his own turne will not professe as much and more too f Valerius Max. l. 9. Demosthenes being asked what in speech was most effectuall answered 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 hypocrisie and being demanded the second and third time gave the same answer Whether there be not hypocrisie here in their speech Let these things be noted 1. It is asserted by them that g New Law of Righteousnes pag. 64. Truth lifting up his head above scandals pag. 2. Reason is God and out of this Reason came the whole Creation 2. The h See Overiös booke concerning this thing immortalitie of the soule they flatly deny and scoff as such people as beleeve the soules immortalitie 3. In the Levellers Creed there is no Jesus Christ no conception birth life death buriall resurrection or exaltation of such a one l New Law of righteousnes p. 98 99. 1●1 No heaven nor hell No Angel good nor had No resurrection of the fl●sh for to take it so in the letter they say is a dreame of our Preachers 4. k New Law c. p. 97. All that we call the history of the Scripture is an idol for there is no other Adam or Christ Cain or Abel Abraham Isaac Jacob Moses Canaanites Amalekites Philistims but what is seen and felt within every man Hence they say l New Law c. p. 78. the publick Preachers have cheated the whole world by telling us of a single man called Adam that killed us by eating a single fruit 5. By their Principles men must leave off m New Law pag. 112. all teaching and instructing each other n Ibid. p. 115. There is no use of Sermons Sacraments or prayer o Ibid. 82. Preachers are the curse and the spreaders of the curse standing ponds of stinking water yea p Ib d. 135. 138 139. 141 142. the zealous Preachers are no other then Scribes Pharisees Judas Traytors Witches Sorcerers Deceivers q Ibid. 115. They and the people joyning together in publick worship is an ab●mination r Ibid. 121. 138 Gathering Congregations Church-fellowship and all outward formes this say the Levellers is to betray Christ into the hands of flesh a deceit of the Devill the Government of the Beast Antichristian captivitie and t is to be under the tyrant fl●sh a new bondage a wrapping men in confusion the mystery of iniquitie and onely to hinder Christ the great Prophet from rising It hath formerly been held that ſ Prospera ●ueniunt colentibus deos adversa spernentibus Liv. lib. 5. Religion and the true worship of God is much for the safetie and prosperitie of a Common-wealth and mens t Rel gio neglecta aut pro●apsa traxit semper r●m● secū trabit Lipsius Polit. notae in c. 3. pag. 4. departure from the practice thereof and falling to hereticall atheisticall and blasphemous w●yes brings Gods curse and plagues upon a Nation and indeed the Heathens thought so too u Dom. l●a negle 〈◊〉 dederu●t hesp riae maia ●uctuosae Ho●at When God is neglected the Land is corrected Into what pernicious and damnable errours these men are fallen and daily seek to draw others what heart without breaking almost can thinke thereof and so much the more because God is highly dishonoured and exceedingly provoked to wrath and the whole Nation for it suffers bitter things There is a Citie called Zaiton in India where they bring hot meats to their Idols feeding their dumb-gods with the smoake and eating the meat themselves Whatsoever these men professe concerning one eternall and omnipotent God yet they serve him just as the Heathens do their idols give him no meat no worship service or religious dutie all that he hath from them is onely smoake and fitly may
Sir I tell you againe you are necessitated to breake them Now be it so that thus he hath spoken What ha●h he don Was there not a cause Is not the thing true and very necessary it should be don Is there any thing in the speech but what Religion Reason and Law allow and strictly call for it If Sheba blow a Trumpet of rebellion Joab justly may require his head and it is fit he should die for it It is an undoubted Rule of Divinity and Policy that it is e John 11.50 18.14 more expedient that one man die yea ten an hundred a thousand then the whole Nation should perish f Melius est ut pereat unus quàm pereat unitas August Better one then out-nesse g V●e seca u● memb●o●ion potiús ali●●●d quàm t●tum corpus intereat Cic. Philip. 12. Better one corrupt and putrefied member be cut off then the whole body thereby should be infected and destroyed It is a remarkeable saying h Punian●●● a te ne tu ●o●t is p●niaris Cyp● de ●●d pa. ● te● Let the Magistrate punish malefactors as Incendiaries and Traytors to the Common-wealth least they for them be justly punished Whosoever they are that stand for such a generation of men are like Tiberius who would have Caligula to reigne that be might destroy the people It is true If men be ill affected to their Countrey and would have all setled Formes of Government overthrowne Christian Religion extirpated all humane societies destroyed and men deprived of their lawfull Liberties Rights and Estates they cannot desire or wish for fitter Instrument● and for men that will surer or sooner bring such mischiefe and misery upon a Nation Having answered to such things as they speake of themselves Our next worke shall be to observe what they say of others and here we purpose to take an exact and full view of all their i Tanto falsi testes pe●o●es sunt quanto p●●pinquare ve●●tati per calumniam v●lunt August de Festo Sancti Steph. Hom. 9. Papers Pamphlets Petitions c. which they have published to the world and wherein they lay grievous things to the Parliament the Councell of State and the Councell of Warre with high charges and accusations against severall persons and this we will doe the more fully distinctly and in order to the end the Innocent may be quitted and cleared their calumniation falshood and trayterous designes discovered and honest-minded people no longer deceived through the hypocrisie and deceit of such men Two things are extant Entituled Englands New Chaines discovered the first and second part A title importing great oppression imposed upon them by the present supreame Authoritie of this Nation but wherein they felt or suffered any such thing as yet they have not shewed neither doth their serious apprehensions or sad Representation manifest so much Some children will teare and scratch their Mother in the face and then cry out as if they had been beaten or abused whereas there is nothing don to them but onely they wronged their Mother Many wrongs and injuries have they offered unto severall men and afterward have cryed out and complained as if they were the sufferers Whereas k Witnesse L. General Cromwell who hath patiently born Lilburnes reproaches and scandalous speeches and d●n him good for evill as he acknowledgeth himselfe thus I must acknowledge you took compassion of me in my bonds and chaines even when I was at deaths do●e and was principally instrumentall in delivering me from the very gates of death in An. 1640. And setting me free from the long and heavy Tyranny of the Bishops and Star-chamber even at that time when I was almost spent and many particular respects since then and one large token you sent me since I came c. J●nahs cry out of the Whales belly pag. 2. nothing by the others was don to them but a patient passing by of all th●ir insolencies and abuses and making good that Maxime much agreeable to wisdome that just deeds are the best answer to injurious words We shall speake first to the first part of their New Chaine Omitting nothing saving their vaine repetitions calumniations idle frothy and impertinent passages First they complaine against erecting a high Court of Justice for tryall of criminall causes To which we answer 1. Were th●y not bent to sedition they would not mention a thing which by the Parliaments power may lawfully be don and l These will n●● allow of tha● Rule Auth●●tiatem ma●●●um etiam in illicius exc●sa●e C. Dixit 14 q. 5. they know it too and for no other end but to sooth and flatter Malignants and to provoke them to greater rage and wrath against the Parliament and High Court of Justice for their late just proceedings against capitall offendours 2. Whereas they speake of persons pick● and chosen as a usuall policie to introduce by such meanes all usurpations Herein they discover great uncharitablenesse and extreme malice and walke contrary to Scripture and Law The word of God teacheth us when speeches or actions doubtfull in themselves and may be taken either well or ill we are to interpret them in the m 1 Cor. 13.7 Deut. 22.25 26 27. best part So saith the Law n Dubium in meliorem partem accipiendum L. cum creditor de furtis A doubtfull action is to be taken in the better part o In re dubia benigniorem semper fieri interpretationem L. proxime C. de his quae intest del Againe In a doubtfull thing the fairer interpretation must be made So againe p Nobiliores praesumptiones semper in dubiis eligendas L. merito pro socio In doubts the nobler presumptions are to be chosen But these Rules are never followed by Conspirators against the Common-wealth but on the other hand actions howsoever in themselves very good as was this high Court of Justice and cordially don shall be depraved by malicious insinuations as if by-ends and self-interest were intended or some publick detriment would follow and this hath been practised formerly by q 2 Sam. 10.3 4. 15.3 4. Incendiaries proud r Mat. 9.34 hypocrites and by the s Job 1.10 Rev. 18.10 Devill 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the false accuser or make-bate taught them Besides it is well to be noted how in all the things set forth by this partie there is little said saving t Inserunt querelas ambiguos de Magistratu sermones quaeque alia turbulenta vulgi Tac hist 1. forged insinuations against the Parliament the Councell of State and the Armie as if they would doe this and that to oppresse the people whereas nothing was ever so intended neither had they any ground or cause for such jealousies and aspersions but have given them forth of purpose to disturbe unquiet and trouble the Nation 3. These men doe see u Englands new Chaine pag. 3. the way of tryall by twelve men to be a
to draw others into the Conspiracy with them clearly tending to the losse of Ireland and the utter ruine of this Nation by a n●w warre This being known and the gre●t perill and mischiefe apprehended the Parliament thereupon an f Pe●●arū irrogatio tam ●●t c●ns●●vandae R●p ●e●essari● ●uam est co●●a●ibus Chiru●g●●i s●●tio initio qu●●● utilitas m●xima cum pl●●m● sine ad ●x●●●um p●r●in●t ●li à fa●●ri●is d●●● rea●●r Reck Po●l 1. fit they should and high time it was gave Comm●ssion and Order u●to the Councell of State for the apprehending and securing of these mutineers The Councell accordingly appointed some Officers of the Armie to see the Parliaments command ex●cuted and b●cause it was well known that there were some se●i●us people in a●d about the Citie confederates with them and ready to make any hurli-burlie and commotion it was thought the best and safest way to prevent tumult and other i● c●nv●●●●ce to apprehen● them in the night the which being done and the 〈◊〉 brought before the Councell it was there shewed them by the Lord President by what Authoritie th●y were sent for and the reason why Unto which their Answ●r was required And thus much in briefe for the occasion Now for their Answer if it be obse●ved either what they spake to the Councell or is contained in their additions since with the many quotations of Statures and marginall notes it amounts to just nothing for fi●st i● pag. 3 4. there is onely a frivolous relation as when and how they were apprehended and by whom from pag. 5. to 17. Whatsoever carries any shew of something it is thus and nothing else Wee are Englishmen and so in a legall capacitie to claim the utmost punctilio benefit and priviledge that the Lawes and liberties of England will afford to any man in the whole Nation Wee know not what to make more of you then a company of private men being neither able to own you for g It is published by themselves that the L. Presidet did not aske them any question as in way of tryal so as to proceed in Judgment but to report it to the House In which words howbeit but few there was enough said to justifie the Councell and to shew their igno●āce that they should not observe them as to speake something thereto a Court of Justice because the Law speakes nothing of you Againe The people of this Nation have not betrusted the Parliament with a Law-executing power This is the most and all in all their tedious and long Discours● w●ich lookes like something the rest is either rayling at others or boasting of themselves But is there one word in all this to the cause in hand Is it not Ignorantia Elenchi and as the Proverb is h Ego de alliis loquor tu respondes de cep●● One askes for Garlick and the other speakes of Onions For 1. Let it be granted they are Englishmen and so may claim the liberties and priviledges of the Law yet it doth not follow but for Conspiracy and Treason against the State they lawfully may be apprehended Againe say the Parliament be not intrusted with a Law-executing power yet no man will deny but the supreame Authoritie of this Nation are intrusted with a Law-making power that is they may * Note that th●re was nothing don by the Councell of State against those mē intefe●ēce to their own jurisdiction power but as they were the Parliaments Commissioners and had command order from them to act so and so and therefore that which the Councell did herein was no more but what any other men in the like case might ought to have done For the Parliament without dispute can impower and authorize any man or men to apprehend and examine traytors and finding cause by the said delegated power to commit them that they may be tryed afterwards according to Law designe and appoint whomsoever they thinke best and fittest to apprehend such men whom they understand to be making sedition and raising warre in the Land to the end they may be brought forth to tryall according to the known Law provided in that case But here they are silent and no wonder for indeed a plaine relation of the thing as it stood had been enough to prove their apprehension examination and commitment all to be legall But their manner is what is cleare to darken with a heap of confused words or omitting the matter unto which they should directly speak to run away with some impertinent and by-thing There is no other thing that we know charged upon the Councell of State as for the slanders falshoods and treason set forth in that book we shall very shortly come to the discoverie thereof with the rest of their conspiracies and seditions in their other Papers At this time it shall suffice that we have wip'd off all their calumniations and reproaches against the Honorable and great Councell of this Nation The next place unto which they bring us is the Councell of Warre and here we finde their main bodie and the great ordnances planted of untruth treacherie contradiction sedition and what not In the first part of their new chain there is very little comparatively to what is published in the second part We purpose if God will in our Discoverie to go thorow both that so the Nation may the better see and judge what a generation of men they are First then of the Councell of War this they say by their means i Englands new Chaine pag. 9. after these fair bloss●mes of hopefull liberty breaks forth this bitter fruit of the vilest and basest bondage that ever English-men groaned under Answ 1. We may see in these men what k Vincere consuetudinem dura est pugna Aug super Psal 30. an hard thing it is to leave a bad custome when it is to plead for mutinous Souldiers and to encourage them in their refractorie and seditious courses then we shall hear them speak of good dayes l In their Letter to his Excellencie April 27. 1649. Times of peace all Courts of Justice are open But if it be to reproach the Army they can make their tongues to say quite contrary nothing then but bondage yea the vilest and basest that ever English-men groaned under not regarding what hypocrisie they shew by their grosse contradiction so they may do some mischief one way or other 2. There is a Letter extant of Lilburnes wherein he expresseth himself to his Excellencie thus * Juglers discovered Truly Sir give me leave to tell you without fear or dread had I come and could have got so many to have followed me as would have enabled me with my sword in my hand to have done justice and execution upon those grand treacherous fellows and tyrants at Westminster that have not onely tyrannized over me but the whole Nation I should have made no more scruple of conscience with my own hand to have