the foresaid two CAP. III. TO proue by examininge of sundrye wintesses A Truthe which is either plaine by it selfe Or els by the Aduersary confessed it is an idle spending and prolonging of tyme to the shame of the party that vseth it And no hurt at al to the vnderstanding of the Iudge or the Court by troubling them with some dout or erroure For in laboring to perswade but a Trueth which euery man oughte to cleaue vnto be the vnderstanding neuer so closelye vnited therevnto by fulnesse of perswasion it can be no sinne or daunger to stand fast by that which not to assent vnto were reproueable And therefore sauing for other tircumstances of Subteltie or Vanitie vsed therein M. Iewel is not hurtfull to any poynte of true Faithe and Religion in his folowing of those Common Places of which I haue spoken all ready On the other side when an Heretike goeth from the matter that he hathe taken in hand to Accuse and Condemne and bring into harred Popes Cardinalles Priestes c. by gathering in of Ruinors by folowing of Suspitions and setting open vnto the world the worst that he can speake of the Clergy This although it be Vniustly Proudly and Vncharitably don yet doth it not greatly touche in any parte our Faith or Religion For if all were true that is fained vpon Popes Cardinals and Priestes Or if nothing be false of that which their Enemies reporte of some of them what foloweth then No more surely than that suche Persons are offenders and that the faultes of the Clergy are to be Corrected And I pray God be mercifull vnto his Church that either no Crimes be found among the worthier members of it Or iust Canons and lawes may be executed suche as allready are made for the purpose But let these thinges be as they may or will be who hath made Englishmen Iudges ouer Romanes Or who but the cursed Children doe tell tales abrode of their Fathers Priuities Againe why should there not be Praying for Soules departed because Some haue taken mony for it Or whye due honor not geuen to Sacramentes because some Sir Iohns are irrenerent It is not safe to leape out of the Arke into the maine waters beeause of some euil sent of men or bcastes therin Or to leaue the folowing of Christe because Publicanes and lypnners went in his companye The Apostleship is honorable thoughe Iudas be a Traitor And the Doctrine of him that sitteth orderlye in the Chaire is pure and good though the breathe whyche commeth from him doe sauoure These things therefore considered let M. Iewel make Impure digressions not sparinge to beraie his owne clothes in a fowle waye and intent so that he may get some dust or durt to hurle after â— e heeles of Popes and Cardinals Yet al this concerneth but maners only and should not in anie Indifferent iudgement or meane discretion remoue a Christian from the sâ—edfastnes of his faith But nowe A thirde kind of Common Places which I finde resorted vnto of M. Iewel Yea rather pointed out vnto vs by him is so wide and so daungerous that a man shall not only goe quickely out of his waye in folowinge them by him selfe but also when God shall send him a Guide to conducte him in the way 〈…〉 be vncertaine and doutful 〈…〉 meanes as M. Iewel 〈…〉 It semeth that now 〈…〉 long since intended Purpoâ—es of the 〈…〉 almost come to theyr 〈…〉 there lacketh no more nowe but that by Open Apostasie he make the faith of Christe to be forsaken and that not so much as the name thereof shal be suffered in the world Speake I this without cause Let any Indifferent man be Iudge For take the fundations awaye frome an howse and can it contynue any space together Take all credite awaye betwixte man and man in this trade of life and will there be left any Occupying to and fro If no Authoritie and law be in a Common wealthe can the state thereof endure What is that among Christians which hath brought them vnto the Faith and Staied and Gouerned them in it Is it not the Authority of the Churche Commending the Doctrine of Christ vnto vs By Fathers By Councels By Custome and Tradition And by Succession of Bishoppes euen from S. Peter hitherto Preparation for y â— Antichrist Emong all which if no one may safely be leaned vnto what remaineth in all the world worthye of credite And except there be an Authoritye and Order which we may and must folow what Faith can we haue at all But who is he that prepareth suche waies for the Antichrist Or who shaketh the Hartes and Consciencies of Christians euen from the very botome and foundations of them Mary except you BEWARE of him M. Iewel emonge other is he And either he keepeth yet still in store some secrete ReuelatioÌ„s by which perchaunce he will perswade the worlde which is incredible Or els As farre as we may gather by his Reply neither him selfe hath any Faith neither will suffer any other to be quiet in it Like a Rhetorician which for Glorie or Gaine sake feareth nothing so much as to be found Tongetied in any matter especially professing to speake aptly and copiously in euery matter And to that end prouideth his Common places to be in a readinesse For witnesses and Against witnesses For Rumors and againste Rumors For trying oute a matter by Racking and Against racking So hathe M. Iewel done Diuinitye brought to Rhetoricke He hathe brought Diuinitie downe to Rhetoricke And as though the kingdome of God consisted in Talke and not in Vertue and Power so doth he shewe vnto his diligenâ— Readers the Arte how to weakeÌ„ the Aduersaries staies and Authorities and in answering all other men yet for their owne partes neuer to be answered And to this end serueth thys worst kind of Common Places of which I gene thee Indifferent Reader faire warning As in example For Custome against Custome For Fathers against Fathers For Councels against Councels For Vnity against Vnity For Ceremonies against Ceremoniâ—s For Miracles against Miracles In which how M. Iewel hathe furnished hym selfe let it firste be declared and then afterwarde Considered For Custome If he doubt S. Paule Iew. 101. yet the verie practise and continuall Order of the primitiue Churche fullie declareth what Christe mente And they say Consuetudo est Optima Interpres Legum Custome is the best Interpreter of the Lawe Si De Interpretatione legis quaeratur c. If question happen to be moued touching the meaning of a Law first of all we must see De legibus et Se natuscoÌ„ sulto Longa Consue Si de what order hathe bene vsed in the like Cases in times past For the Custome and practise of the people is the best expounder of the Lawe Against Custome THe Reason that S. Basile maketh of Custome and continuaunce Iew. 49. being wel considered is very weake bothe for many other good and Iust causes
A TREATISE INTITLED BEWARE OF M. IEWEL BY Iohn Rastel MASTER OF ARTE AND STVDENT OF DIVINITIE Math. 7. ¶ Beware of false Propheâ—â— which come vnto you in the cotes of sheepe but inwardlye are Rauen â—â—g wolues c. RESPICITE VOLAâ—ILIA COELI ET PVLLOS CORVORVM ANTVERPIAE Ex officina Ioannis FouleriÌ„ M.D.LXVI To the Indifferent Reader THE VVorthinesse of a certaine boke lately set furth in the name of M. IeVVel doth in England perchaunse make it to be pretious Vnto many but Vnto Vs that are in these partes of beyond the Seas the Raritie only thereof gaue a Price and Value Vnto it Inso much that receiuing one of them for my selfe two monthes at the least after they had bene abrode in Englande I could not keepe the whole altogeather to my selfe but was faine to diuide it in the middle And yet there was no losse therein because a frind was gratified with that halfe whiche I mighte spare and the other remaining with me woulde keepe me so long occupied Vntill both of Vs might â—hainge partes one with the other and I if I thoughte good continue my reading forwarde as I had begon without any Interruption or stay at all But I savv such geare and such store therof in the one halfe only that I had litle mind to goe through the other And now that diuiding of the Fooke into tvvo partes vvhich the Rarietie thereof occasioned me to make not altogeather so vvillingly but that I could haue vvished it better that same novv fell out so happely and agreably to my purpose that although I might consider and see vvhat stuffing vvere in the vvhole yet of free choise and for good causes I vvould meddle vvith no more then the halfe And truly to choose vvho can let me except some such vnreasonable â–ª Heretike as taketh all freevvill avvay froÌ„ a manâ— â–ª Mary to choose any one vvay of tvvo that may be taken that may be reproued in the Chooser except the causes vvhich he folovved be alovvable In the seeking of vvhich least any man should extend his vvit so much that by long discoursing he should make it the lesser and vveaker and imagine vvith himselfe vpon Secrete Conferences Policies Conclusions and Orders made among the Catholikes for the ansvvering of their Aduersaries I vvill therefore shortly and faithfully tell them my selfe First in foure Articles only vvhich occupy vvel nere halfe the Reply I fouÌ„d so much mater vvorth the briefe noting that it vvould fully serue to the making of a iust boke Concerning then the qualitie of those thinges it vvas so corrupt and infectuous that it required some present and spedy preseruatiue against it I prouided also that the reader should not be vvearied through any loÌ„g processe or discourse Furthermore if M Ievvel himself in this vacation and leisure of his vntill D Harding come vpon him againe or if any other of the right Iannizers in deede vvhich haue fled from the Catholike faith vvould make me an Ansvver I thought good so to measure out my Booke vnto them that they should not put the faulte in the greatnesse therof vvhen they do not in conuenient time say their minde vnto me for it Byside this the chiefe poyntes vvhich I did minde to speake of are such that if I vvould haue perused the vvhole Reply yet I should haue brought but more Examples only to the prouing of those my Obiections against M. Ievvel vvhich already are declared by inough and sufficient And to Conclude I say only BEWARE OF M. IEWEL that is I shevv good causes to the Indifferent Reader vvherfore he should try him thrise before he trust him once Other are comming vvhich shall bring him to more ieobardy strike directly at that crafty head of his as if they should say NOW M. IEWEL BEWARE Other causes therefore contrary to these vvho so euer shall name he shall not expound my intent and meaning but open his ovvne euil minde and suspitions And I trust as these seemed probable inough vnto me vvherefore I might and shoulde â—ather certaine thinges vvhat I vvould my selfe out of M. Ievvels boke and dispose them as I haue done so may any Reasonable man be content vvith this vvhich for his vvarning sake I haue noted and neuer think that M. Ievvel is not touched because euery Article of his is not by me discussed Or that for all this vvhich yet is said he must not be mistrusted because euery line and sentence of his boke is not Ansvvered For euery man as he is vvel disposed so may he doe and vvhat so euer vvay close or Open frequented or Solitary Short or Long Direct forvvard or about Easy or Intricate vvhat so euer vvay be taken if vve come to one end and meete togeather in the discouering of Craft or Heresye the cause of the Catholikes is the stronger the hartes of the Protestantes may be the fainter Some one perchaunse hath a patient minde to folovve M. Ievvel Sentence by Sentence An other vvill not be bound to goe after him vppon euery trifeling Occasion but leauing bymatters and impertinent gathereth out his Sense and confuteth it Some againe chooseth one Speciall Article out and spedely Ansvvereth it An other is not content vvith so sevv as one or tvvo and therefore is longer a doing There is that thinketh it inough to Iustifye the vntruthes that D. Harding is charged vvithall That seemeth not inough to an other but he noteth M. Ievvel for his plaine lies and them out of measure VVhat shall I say more of other My selfe haue folovved an order much different from any the forsaid and no doubt but an other may come after all that is hitherto reckened and finde more matter againste M. Ievvel vvith a peculiar disposition thereof Let the vvay therefore vvhich any man taketh be neuer condemned but the end to vvhich he bringeth processes let that be considered M. Ievvel I speake it vvithout flattery hath a Rare gift in vvryting he must not be proude of it He ventereth so boldlye he fighteth so openly and is armed so singlely that if tvventye Catholikes should at one time encountre vvith him no one shoulde neede to strike in the same place that an other dothe nor faile so to strike him that his credite and cause shoulde be vvounded Yet to them that stand a farre of from the sight of the mater he is harnessed so finely he handeleth his vveapon so cunninglye he chaungeth from one hand to an other so readely yea shrinketh and geaueth backe so Artificiallye that he may vvell seeme to haue done a greate Acte and to make it doubtfull at the least vvho hath the victorie And so concerning these tvvo poyntes because of the first I may lavvfully take my vantage And though in most places I leaue him vntouched in other yet except he be vnsensible I doe inough to make him feele it Then because of the second I geue thee Indifferent Reader lavvfull vvarning that of all men that euer hitherto haue vvryten
shal be proued that you may well thinke vpon a direct answer I proue it by this consequence The fyrst profe of y e Maior in the principall argument afore saide All Asia the lesse was of the Greke church Ergo they had y e Seruice in the Greeke Tounge The consequence if you will doubt of it foloweth of that Rule A definitione ad definitum For after ye haue declared What the Greekes church 〈◊〉 what this word Church meaneth and founde that it includeth without exception all the nuÌ„ber of theÌ„ which through y e whole world confesse professe one God one faith and one Obedience after this I say when you come to y e particulars and define vnto vs what y e Greke Church is you shal be constrained to meane y â— society cumpany of the faithful whose publike Seruice is in y e Greeke tounge The antecedeÌ„t I neade not proue Iew. 164 least M. Iewel should cal it vanitas vanitatum tel vs y â— it is not denied neither of learned nor vnlearned And yet least he should interprete this my opinioÌ„ to be but for a shift and euasion I will shew him good cause wherefore I take it 159. For if M. Iewel find no fault with D. Harding for comprising within the name of the Greeke Church That couÌ„trie which properly is called Graecia Macedonia Thracia Asia y e lesse couÌ„tries adioining y e prouinces allotted to y e Patriarke of Alexandria in AEgypt and of Antiochia in Syria I can not feare y t he wil be lesse indifferent and quiet towards me which speak so much within my bounds and mention no other Countries belonging to the Greeke Church but only the lesse Asia Beside this your selfe M. Iewel diuide the Church not only into the Greeke and the Latine but also in to the Churches of Aethiopia Scythia India Arabia Syria Persia Media Armenia a great number of other countries In which part then of al these is Asia the lesse Not in the Latin Church not in the cumpasse of Aethiopia Scythia India Arabia Syria Persia Media Armenia or any other of y e great nuÌ„ber of Countries which you signify If it be in any name it vnto vs shew your Authority y t and if it be not as in dede it is manifest by y e borders whiche learned and experte Wryters doe note to be attributed and made vnto them then muste all Asia the lesse be of the Greke Churche And again if throughout al y e lesse Asia y e Publike Seruice had not ben in one coÌ„mon and currant Greke it must haue folowed y â— according to y e diuersity of tounges couÌ„tries therof a distinct interpretation of the Scriptures was also prouided for theÌ„ For the Publike Seruice consisteth chiefly of the Scriptures as the proper bookes of Christians whiche are to be either instructed Or furthered Or perfited in the lawe of God and as mooste proper for that place where all Prophane thinges sette a syde the Diuine Hystoryes Psalmes Gospels and LessoÌ„s are to be rehersed coÌ„sidered Will M. Iewel deny this how can he which is so redye to graunt it M. Iew. a falsifier of couÌ„cels 153. that the belieth two Councels of Laodicâ—a and of Carthage sayeing them to haue decreede that nothing must be redde in the Church to the people sauing only the Canonicall Scriptures Yet the Councel is not so but in prouiding that no other bookes should be red there as in the name of Scriptures but onlye the Canonicall Scriptures it declareth what a singular estimation and vse of them was in the Common Seruice of the Church This Seruice then consisting chiefly of Scriptures must not the people vnderstande it By M. Iewels Diuinitie they muste Ergo the tounges in which the Scriptures were then writen should be knowen vnto them And to bring this to passe looke how many seueral Countries were in the lesse Asia so many interpretacions of the Scriptures were made correspondent vnto them But what shal we nowe saye Of the interpretation of scriptures into Greeke For manye skore yeres after Christ there was in all the world but one Greeke interpretation of the Scriptures and that was made by seauentie Elders of y e Iewes in y â— tyme of Ptolomeus Philadelphus After which there folowed six interpretations the first of Aquila the second of Symmachus y â— third of Theodotio Euthymius in praesatione in Psalmos y e fourth had no certaine Author and was founde in Hiericho The fift was without Authors name found in Nicopolis The sixte was made by Lucianus the Heremite and Martyr and found in a tower of Nicomedia Consider now by this indifferent Reader how litle store and copy of Interpretations of Scriptures was then when of vij only so great accompt is made And howe litle haste was made to set them abrode which were so kept in by the Authors and howe great price was then made of them the finding of which is so singularly noted But let vs staye our selues vpon those first yeres in which there was no other interpretation of the Scriptures in y e Greeke Tounge but that of the Septuagintes In this case then did all Churches of Asia the lesse vse that Interpretation They must haue vsed it or else haue none Did all vnderstand it How is it possible the seuerall Countries and Tounges in Asia the lesse being at the least xiiij in number Forth then had some Churches no Seruice at all because they vnderstode not the Greeke of the Septuagintes Or Or had they such Seruice Here let M. Iew. shew hys knowledge in whiche nâ— Scripture was read Either ye must admit this absurdity either ye must hold your peace M. Iewel for lacke of answer either ye must subscribe and yelde to the Catholikes For if the Scriptures were then in no other Greeke tounge then that of the Septuagintes And if the vulgar people of diuers Countries and Languages in the lesse Asia vnderstode not that Greeke And if without the Scriptures the Publike Seruice be not made either the Seruice was in that tounge which all the Vulgare people of the lesse Asia did not vnderstand and then you must subscribe Or else in some Churches they had no Seruice because they had no Scriptures turned into the Vulgare tounge which is most absurde and vnreasonable Or else you muste secretely confesse it that you can not fynde what tounge they vsed in their Seruice or what you may answer to this Argument Thirdly I proue the Maior The. iii. proâ—e by an Induction In Smyrna in Pontus in Cappadocia in Lycaonia in Caria or Thracia â—t Sic de singulis and so in eche other Countrey of the lesse Asia the Seruice was in the Greeke tounge Ergo the Maior foloweth that all the lesse Asia had their Seruice in the Greeke tounge The Induction is good and lawfull as consisting of a sufficient Enumeration of particular Countries in
in Greeke as it may be credibly gathered spake also vnto them in Greeke Howebeit say you whether it were so or otherwise it importeth nothing why then reason you so mighteâ—y about it sauing that M. Harding maketh the matter so certaine I perâ—ey 〈◊〉 then it is one of your cares A Greate 〈◊〉 and set to resist how to ouerthwart D. Harding And sauinge that he sayeth it otherwise you care not to graunt that the Lycaonians had a seueral tounge by them selues For whether it were so or otherwise it inporteth nothing you say Yet neither this is is true y â— you say Because it importeth doth wayâ— For if their tounge were a corrupt Greke as y e ItaliaÌ„ or Spanish is a corrupt Latin theÌ„ did they not vnderstaÌ„d psalmes chapiâ—ters of Scripture in theyr Seruice which were traÌ„slated into true cleane Greke only And if they had a seueral Tounge by theÌ„selues much lesse theÌ„ did they vnderstand what was sayed in the Church The question also is not herein whether they spake greeke or no but whether they vnderstode the learned Greek or no. So y â— vnderstaÌ„ding therefore al to be is And whereas we see by experience at thâ—â—e dayes that euery Englishman venderstendeth not y e Scot nor y e lower couÌ„tries thâ—e speak Duch vnderstand the hygh 〈◊〉 which yet differ but in 〈…〉 we think y â— euery one in Asia y â— spake greke vn derstode also the proper oure greeke For the pure Greeke which holy Fathers haue writen and in which the Scriptures be preserued is comprised within a small cumpasse of Countries and continueth after one maner still but the Corrupte and Barbarous Greeke extendeth it selfe farre and wide and is by sundry occasions altered euery day wandring further and further of from the likenesse and vicinitie to the cleane and Learned Greeke And therfore Ioannes Grammaticus writing purposly of y e Greeke Dialectes him self being a Greeke writer sayeth that if ye will take into the number y â— Dialect called CoÌ„munis then are there fyue of them Ionica Attica Dorica Aeolica Communis But the barbarous Dialectes sayeth he being of great number and far out of reache it is not easy to declare 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Yea rather we muste not call them Dialects but tounges So vnlike they were to other Greke Tounges not only the Common but also y e peculiare fower Dialectes So that if the Lycaonians had a Seueral tounge vtterly distincted from Greeke so much wil be imported therby y e al vnderstod not y e greeke Seruice nor yet y e SermoÌ„s of Amphilochius or any other Bishop ther if they spake as they wryte And if on the other side they spake Greeke but yet corruptly barbarously that it selfe importeth so much that they vnderstode not their seruice whiche was wrytten in the learned Greeke And as I haue said now for Lycaonia so may I reason of Cappadocia PoÌ„tus Thracia and proue that whether the people of that Country spake Greeke or otherwise yet vndoubtedly they vnderstode not all of them the Greeke of the Church Seruice Wherfore the Maior being presupposed as euident that all Asia the lesse had the Seruice in Greeke vntil M. Iewel bring an instance and M. Iewel helpinge forward to the prouing of it by his graunt that these Countries within it Smyrna PoÌ„tus Cappadocia Lycaonia Caria had their Sermons and by consequence Seruice in Greeke The Minor being also abundaÌ„tly proued by D. Harding and by me suffcieÌ„tly declared that sundrye Countries in Asia the lesse vnderstode not the learned Greeke The Conclusion foloweth y â— some Countries had the Seruice in that tounge which was vnknowen and strainge vnto them and that Master Iewell mus yeld and subscribe And thus muche concerning the Greeke Church To speake now of the Latin Church and to prosequente the forsayed argument by it also I think it nedlesse Either because that which hath ben spokeÌ„ of y e Greeke Church y â— it had y e publike Seruice in y e greeke toÌ„ge may easely be applied to y e Latin Church to proue the Latin Seruice there which once admitted M. Iewel will not deny but that sundry Countries of the same Church vnderstoode not Latine nor had it as theyr Vulgare tounge where vpon his yelding must folow either because my intent is not to speake so much as the matter geaueth occasion but shortly to comprehend the Some of that whiche is done Either because the Aduersary will be so vnable and impotent to answer that which allreadye is sayed that to troble hym with more were loste lavor I maye also moste iustlye saye it that he is so wilfully disposed and sette not to yelde and hath so many wayes through much Practise of his owne and helpe of other Subtile â—eades To Dissoâ—ble the righte Obiections To make longe Answers to Thinges that were not moued 〈…〉 Authorityes alleaged To brynge all thynges into playne doubte or Sâ—â—pition thereof that nothinge shall be brought whiche he will not 〈◊〉 except it be very sensible For whiche cause it had not bene euill neuer to haue mentioned so muche as I haue done of D. Hardinges Argumentes but by a more compendious waye to haue lefte them passe by in silence and to haue stayed in the myddle of this Article where I lefte Master Iewell without anye good Argumente or Lykelyhoode for his Assertion Requiringe hym to shewe what sure Euideneies he or his Fryndes could bringe furth in the cause Yet for so muche as I spared not to declare also howe D. Hardinge hath reasoned nowe it remayneth not only to coâ—syder his Argumentes but also to compare them that is not onlye to attend and marke what strength they haue by theÌ„ selues but also how much more force certayntie they haue in resepte of M. Iewels surmises Consider it by it selfe and say The Latin Church is therfore called Latine because of the tounge which is coÌ„mon and currant through it Againe in all Italy at the least the Seruice was in true Latine but vndoubtedly the vulgare speache of the whole Countrye was not pure Latine Againe If there had bene in the Weast Church any other Tounge then Latine it could not but by some token be apparent and euident and some fragmentes or portions of the Seruice in the Vulgar tounge would haue bene preserued if by no other meanes yet by History Consider I saye these thinges in them selues and it may become a right good and wise man not to mistrust at this present the vse of the Latine Tounge in Publike Seruice which he maye by so good reason gather to haue bene vsed at the beginning in suche Churches where they that were present vnderstode it not But compare nowe with this that on the other syde which M. Iewel alleageth that in Olde time they had in their prayers al Iew. 176 as it were one voyce and one minde and that al seueral nations praied vnto God and praised
nothinge to beware in him selfe of y t foly let him marke these that folowe The chief Authoritie beinge acknowleged and confessed â—at fo 101. whether theÌ„ he were called by either of those names that you deny or no it is not of greate importance M. Hardinge seemeth in part willingly to yeeld Iew. 220 Againe It was as easy a matter for Christ to geue Peter the Power and Title bothe togeather as to geue him the power alone without the Title Here I can not chuse but answer some what though for desire of shortnesse I haue and must let many thinges passe which might be staied vpon Who doubteth but Christ in deede might haue geuen the Title which M. Iew. findeth lackinge togeather with the power and Authoritie ouer the Church yet for so much as he hath not done it it becometh not vs to find any imperfection in his doinges but to honor them with all Reuerence though we see no reason for them or with all humilitie to thinke vpon them whether good causes may be brought furth and alleged for them or no. And truly concerninge this matter of which we speake we may rightly iudge y t because weyght and worthinesse is in the Thinges them selues therfore he gaue the power to S. Peter As for Names and Titles because they are so easely geueu as appereth by styles of Noble men and Princes his maiestie was not ouer curiouse in them Yet he left not S. Peter without a name of honor also sayinge Thou shalt be called Cephas Io. 1. which is interpreted Petrus a rocke or Stone Which Title duly considered is of more weight and worthinesse than either the name of Head Rector Gouernor Prince Christ gaue S. Peter a Title of dignitie and power or vniuersal Bishope Which as they signifie a Preeminence aboue others so do they not warrant a Continuance a Stedfastnes a sure Ground to buyld vpon and a Principall and Chiefe Stone in the house of God as Cephas or Petros which are to say a Rocke doe for our Sauyour expressed it in the hearinge of the twelue and sayed to S. Peter only and specially Thou art Peter or a Rocke Mat. 16. and vpoÌ„ this rocke will I buyld my Church and the gates of hell shal not preuaile against it And to thee will I geue the keyes of the kingdome of heauens and what thinge soeuer thou byndest vpon Earth shal be bound in heaueÌ„ what thinge soeuer thou loosest vpon Earth shal be loosed in Heauen Mary this Title of Vniuersall bishope or Head of the Church he gaue not him in plaine Termes But what of that He instituted effectuall Sacramentes yet he neuer called any of them by the name of Sacrament He taught men to beleue in the Trinitie yet the word is not found in all scripture The prophet Dauid calleth the Apostles Princes of all the Earth Psal 44. yet Christ which gaue them Authoritie ouer al sayeth no more but Goe and Preach the Gospell to al creatures Mar. 16. And againe I send you furth as sheepe emong wolues Mat. 10. Againe your master is one Christ and al ye are Brethern Mat. 23. and neuer called them Princes How then Doth M. Iew. find an imperfection in Christes doinges And thinketh he secretly in his hart that a Power is not well geuen without a Title And that if him selfe might haue ordered the matter To anger or troble the Catholikes M. Iewel makâ—th obiections against God himselfe the Name and Office should haue ben geuen both together from wheÌ„ce cometh this that a wretched and a vile creature hath to saye any thinge against his Maker The Catholike Church is coÌ„teÌ„ned The iudgement of y e highest Bishope in the earth is condeÌ„ned to hinder y â— Pope And aÌ„ger y â— Catholikes he is not afraied to dally with Almightie God him selfe And to aske of vs whether it was not an easy matter for him to geue Peter the Power and Title al together That when we shall confesse the Title was not geuen Either foolishe or blasphemous he may infer Ergo neither the Power Which argument If your selfe M. Iewel thinke to be naught what a wyse man are you so trimly to set it furth If it be good what a Miserable felow are you which dare so to speake of him that is Alwyse and Almightie As though it should not be agreable to geue a Power and not the Title Confesse that you haue ouershot your selfe in makinge so much of a weake reason Or looke to be Answeered accordingly when him selfe shal come in Iudgement for such purpose But let vs goe forward To this Church of Rome D. Har. Fo. 106. it is necessarie al that be faithfull to repaire and come togeather for the mightier Principalitie of the same Iren. lib. 3. cap. 3. Againe Andrew reâ—eiued not the Primacie but Peter Amb. 2. Cor. 12. Againe The Primacie or Principalitie of the Apostolike Chayre Aug. epi. 162. hath euermore bene in force in the Romaine Church Now marke what M. Iew. concludeth He answereth after his maner vnto euery one but he triumpheth not therein but in this sayinge M. Hardinge trippinge as he sayeth so nicely ouer the Doctors hath not yet once towched Iew. 254 Here begynneth the he and 〈◊〉 the thingethat was looked for and that he hath only and with such affiance take in hand For notwithstanding a great PoÌ„pe of wordes and the Names of manie holie Fathers yet hath he not hitherto shewed that the Bishope of Rome within the space oâ— six hundred yeares after Christ was euer called the Vniuersall bishope Or the head of the vniuersall Church VVhich thinge iâ— he could haue shewed I beleue he wold not so lightlie haue tripte it ouer See how ernest he is vpon the name of Vniuersall Bishop And how sore him selfe stumbleth at one simple word Tripping And how much he craketh before the end that the word he looketh for is not yet shewed But see in an other place D. Harding from the 108. leafe to the 119. of his boke proueth the necessitie of one head and authoritie of the Bishope of Rome By naturall reason By Appeales made to Rome By Excommunications directed from Rome By Elections of Bishopes confirmed by the Pope By his Approuinge or Disprouinge of Councels By restoringe of Bishopes wrongfulli coÌ„deÌ„ned to their Churches By Bishops and Patriarches reconciled vnto him And then goeinge forward in this matter Although it be a childish thinge saieth he to sticke at the name any thinge is called by yet I will bringe good witnesse for these names VNIVERSAL BISHOPE HEAD of the CHVRCH This I trow should cause M. Iew. to be more calme and quiet consideringe that he shall not tary longe but haue the very Names brought furth which he craueth so much for But he must make somewhat of nothinge aud seeme to be a Winner before his aduersarie ioyne with him And therfore he
taketh him selfe to Coniectures and Gheasses sayinge Here M. Hardinge secretlie confesseth Iew. fol. 295. An other copy of vnreasonable crakinge that in al he hath hitherto alleaged he hath not yet found that the bishop of Rome was knowen in the world within the space of the first six hundred yeares after Christ by the Name either of the Vniuersall bishop or of the Head of the Church Well because you are so importunate and hastie with vs vpon the foresayd Titles I can not stay now to tell you here againe of your crakinge but wil make speede to the places which might satisfie your expectation D. Hardinge therfore from the 119. leafe to the 124. proueth by S. Gregorie that the Councell of Chalcedon called the Bishop of Rome the vniuersall Bishop And by S. Chrysostome S. Hierome S. Cyrill and others he proueth that Peter was called the Head of the Church Now betwene he sayeth that euery where almost this Name is attributed to S. Peter either in Termes equiualent or expresly Har. fo 110. Thereupon M. Iewell triumpheth Thus he doubteth at the matter and stammereth and faltereth at the beginninge Iew. 30â— But if the B. of Rome were the Head of the Church in deede More crakinge so allowed and taken in the whole world why was he neuer expresly and plainly Named so VVas there no man in the world then for the space of six hundred yeares able to expresse his Name Againe It had bene the simpler and plainer dealinge for M. Hardinge to haue saied This Name can not yet be found and so to haue taken a longer daie What will you doe when you ouercome in deede which although y e stroke be but cominge make rekeninge of your gaines And accompt it halfe a Victorie for that it is not more quickly geuen But D. Hardinge before he bringeth furth the expresse Terme Head to diminish the needeles curiositie of some persons he sayeth VVhat forceth it Har. fo 1â—1 whether that very terme HEAD be found in any auncient writer or no And it foloweth But to take away occasion of cauill I wil alleage a few places where the expresse Terme HEAD is attributed to Peter the first B. of Rome Here now should M. Iew. be attent in harkeninge to the Obiection But as though al the matter were lyke to be lost for lacke of a good face to set vpon it he looketh merily vpoÌ„ the cause And turneth his eye away from that which is coming against him And is glad for a thinge past gone I can not tell what Sayinge Gentill reader Iew. 306 I beseche the marke wel this dealinge This Name the Head of the vniuersall Church is the verie Thing that we denie Fol. 77. And that M. Hardinge hath taken in hand to proue And boldly auoucheth that he hath already plainly shewed and proued the same yet now in the end finding him self destitute Lycinge and. he turneth it of as a thinge of nought Againe VVithin the space of the first six hundred yeares there were in Rome 68. Bishops Iew. 20 for their Constance in fayth for their vertu and Lerninge far exceedinge the rest that haue bene â—ithence The Number of them beinge so greate Braggâ—ge owt of measure their Learninge so no table their Life so holie it is meruaile M. Hardinge should not be able to showe that ani one of them al in so Long time was once caled the Head of the Church therfor should thus rest vpon S. Peter who when he receaued these Titles was not bishop of Rome And of whom there is no question moued Here lacketh I confesse no Inuention or Exornation A Title only or two are sought for The finding of which is made to be of Greate Importance The omnipotencie of Christ is considered for the matter because he was hable to geaue the Power Title both togeather The disposition of the Aduersarye because if he could he would bring them furthe The space of six hundred yeres whether in that tyme no man was hable to expresse them The number and worthinesse of 68. Bisshopes of Rome with a special maruel y â— M. Hardinge should not be hable to shew that any one of them al in so Longe tyme was once called Heade of the Church And al this with much more which I let passe is considered and Amplified to the most Vantage As though it would be saide Good Lord what a felow is he that hath so opposed al the world And how can that be but of Greate force to saluation about which so Notable a Clerke doth keepe so greuous a Stur Yet in very deede those his Sentences are not Argumentes of his well sayinge but rather Copies of his foule crakinge Which how vayne and vnsensible it is let it now be tried by indiffereÌ„t Readers For if it had ben plainly Answered vnto him at the beginninge That these forsaied Titles could not be found he might I graunt haue Concluded as he doth Iew. 306 Ergo mie assertion is true vnderstaÌ„d verbo tenus that is concerninge the outward sound of y e word only But Crake thereof he could not by any right Because he winneth no more but that no such Name was then vsed and cometh not to the Thinge it selfe and Substaunce of the questioÌ„ Yea rather he might be ashamed To Looke so bygge And Speake so lowdly And Prouoke so generally And Stur about so busily And geaue great hope of victorie And when all that he asketh is Graunted to be able to make no other vantage but only this Ergo mie assertion is True Yea forsoth A worthie Assertion To proue that And stand vpon y t And bragge on that which the Aduersarie may easely graunt without any losse of the cause you hauinge it yelded vnto you caÌ„ infer nothing against y e Popes supremicie Take it vnto you M. Iew. that the name Vniuersall Head is not found We are content with y â— sense or Meaninge of the name A Greate victorie and nothing taken Returne you home from your Greate fight with certaine bare Titles Letters And the aduersarie hath not much to complaine keepinge the Thinge it selfe with him vnder other wordes and Letters You haue done valiantly I trow to stand against al meÌ„ aliue vpon two names and Titles And we are not much hurted when for all your Cost and Charges you haue come nothing nigh to y e matter which by those Names or other is imported Thus if D. Hardinge would make short and graunt vnto M. Iew. his Assertion Yet should he so litle make any Bost or Triumphe thereof that the might rather be ashamed to leaue the Thinges them selues and striue vpon the bare Names of them But on the other side now whereas D. Harding hath not only so declared the cause of the B. of Rome that without seekinge or caringe for the Names of Vniuersall Bishop or head he hath plainely proued his Supremicie But also hath
the end of this Article these be his wordes Or rather his difinitiue sentence Although that which the Pope claymeth Extreâ—â— shiâ—â— were his very right yet by his owne Iudgement he is whorthie to lose it For Pope Gregorie saieth Priuilegium meretur amittere qui abutitur potestaâ—e Iew. 31â— He that abuseth his authoritie is worthie to lose his priuilege And Pope Siluerius sayeth Etiam quod habuit amittat qui quod non accepit vsurpat He that vsurpeth that he receaued not let him loose that he had Be it so He for his own part deserueth Like as the Temporal heades and Princes of the world wheÌ„ they doe not their office are worthie of losinge it But who shall depose them It must be done by Law and not by Insurrection And vntil lawful processe against them be ended the Common Wealthes are bound to obey them be they neuer so vnworthie Yet the Princes are made by men and raceaue Authoritie not immediatly from God but of the CoÌ„mon Wealth which doth choose them But the Pope whome Christ him selfe without Consent of men goinge before or voyce of y â— world hath made Head of his Church throughout the whole worlde who shall take his Priuilege frome him if he should be thereof vnworthie For the Prerogatiue and chiefe Authoritie geauen by God muste continew what soeuer the partye his merites are The Apostle also saieng There is no power except it be froÌ„ God and obey you Rom. 13. Prepositours and such as are set ouer you Heb. 13. And if the chosen of God 1. Reg. 24 King Dauid hauinge Saull at a vantage besought God to staye his handes that hym selfe might not kill hym sweringe that As trewlye as GOD liueth excepte God stroke hym or hys tyme were come to dye or he should be destroyed in Battayle he would not lay haÌ„ds vpon the Anoynted of God And if our Sauiour Christe commaunded the Iewes To doe that which the Scribes and Pharisies dyd saye vnto them though their lyuing and behauiour otherwise was so euill that he charged them not to doe as they dyd who dare be so bould as hurte Or dissobeye the Anoynted of God The Highest Bisshoppe in all Christendome the Successour of S. Peter lawfullye sutttrg in Chaire and Place of Instructinge and gouerning the Faithfull Wil the SuperintendeÌ„tes of the Church of England doe it By what law and reason Mary y â— Canon law shal be brought furth 11. quaest 2. pâ—iuilegium and 25. quaest 2. Sic decet caet And M. Iewel shal alleage a Glose or make a Glose vpon it Of which the whole Fraternity must coÌ„clude that if it were neuer so much proued that the B. of Rome was Called in the six hundred yeres after Christ Head of the Vniuersall Church And though it were his verye Right Yeâ— for as much he abuseth his Priuilege he deserueth to leese it And we wil haue him no more Obeied Fare well he And so breketh out this fourth Artitle into Presumptuons Contempte of Lawfull Authoritie Thus haue we the cumpasse of M. Iewels triflinge Processe First the Name he saieth can not be found and as long as that Answer will hold he Insulteth and Braggeth like Iewel him selfe Then the Calling of S. Leo Vniversal Bisshope in the Councel of Chalcedon was not a Calling of him so in deede but an Offering to cal him so And so the testymony of y â— inward Goodwill is not sufficiente but he muste haue it declared by worde of mouthe Thirdly poore Priestes and Deacons but none of the Councell of Chalcedon did geue it So by like none but Noble Personages and men of honor shall geaue Voices Fourthly though S. Peter the first Bisshope of Rome were so called yet the question is not moued of him but of the Pope So might the Successour challenge nothing of the Prerogatiue of his Predecessour Fyfthly if it were geuen but once Or twise it is no matter because our question sayth he is of the Vsual Stile So must we bringe furth a Proclamation I trow Or Scale for it Or els nothing is done Sixthly in a kinde of Speache the B. of Rome as also of Constantinople may be called by the Title of VNIVERSAL So shail it be but a Phrase only and of no weight Or Substance what so euer be alleaged for these Titles aforsayed Last of all if it were the Popes Right Yet is he worthy to leese it And so it â—ooteth no more to Reason of this question for that they haue done they wil not 〈◊〉 Such is theyr finall determination By which way of violence and force if the cause of Religion may be folowed ye will be to stronge M. Iewel not only for Oppressed Catholikes in these your prosperous daies but allso againste quiet Catholikes where they liue with the loue of their Soueraignes But if this muste needes seeme vnreasonable in Professors of a new Gospel which take vpon them to direct vs by the expresse woorde of the Lorde in the Right knowledge of all Truthe and Honesty I will truste that this Detection of you their Chiefe man of Warre Shifting Striuing Craking Dissembling Lying Triumphing c. will cause the Indifferent Reader to Beware of M. Iewel ⧠⧠⧠Thus endeth the First Booke THE SECOND Booke Declaring by more Speciall Detection of M. Iewels behauiour that it is needeful to BEWARE of hym THE proper Conueiaunce and Art which M. Iewel hath vsed in the foresayed Articles I haue for the speciall poyntes of those questioÌ„s shortly and sufficiently discouered For which his conueyance allthough the Iudifferent or Waueringe myndes should wisely BEWARE of him and his owne frendes and deere brothers the Protestantes myght with a good zeale require of him either to begyn a Newe Challenge Or defende him selfe better in the Old And thoughe I my selfe might for these causes thinke enough to be already sayed againste him Yet because Affection and Loue is not only blinde in it selfe but darkeneth also the sighte of vnderstandinge and Reason that his Fauorers will not lightly perceaue his foule fasshions except they appeere both Many and Great and Notable And because the weaker and doubtfuller in such mater are not satisfyed with suffiente but require abundauce and euidencie I will for these two sortes of mens sakes declare yet further and plainer what Worthinesse is in M. Iewels Replye Of the Common Places which M. Iewel hath ouercharged his boke withal in the first four Articles CAP. I. FIrst concerning the outward shewe only and face of his boke it is so great in quantitye so faire in sight and so Liuely as I may say by resoÌ„ of many Allegations and Authorities out of Councels Fathers Histories Law Ciuil and Canon and the Glose also therevpon that it cummeeh very quickly into ones minde to thinke that a matter of nothing should not increase to such bygnes nor an euil fauored cause so well be set furth nor Auncient witnesses be so thickly brought out
the third borne at those dayes What new kinde of Logike is this Gonifacius was not borne when Iulius lyued ergo it is not likely y e Iulius did restore Athanasius to his roome froÌ„ which heretikes w t y â— Emperous fauor had pulled him downe Again New found Lâ—gyke there was no Glose then to rate y â— degrees of y â— magnitude of the SoÌ„ne aboue y â— Moone applie it to y e Pope Emperour ergo y e Pope y e Emperour are not of vnlike quaÌ„titie iust I trow as the SoÌ„ne Moone are both of one bignesse If this be tru theÌ„ haue you directly aÌ„swered but seing it is false then haue you Idelly wandered But let vs see an other Example Iew. 251 A thirde Example When I heare sayeth M. Iewell M. Hardinge to geue vnto the Bishope of Rome a power peerlesse what doe ye then Prepare your self by liklyhode to Answer him No no you haue other matters to thinke vpon me thinketh say you I heare Doctour Durandus say Hic est Melchisedech c. This is Melchisedech whose priesthode is not comparable vnto others He is the head of all Bishopes from whome al they descend as membres from the head and of whose fulnesse al they receyue Me thinketh I heare that is written by the Canonistes Dominus Deus noster Papa Our lord God the Pope In this point I beleue you wel M. Iew. For Hierâ— as to S. Hierome and other whose thoughtes and mindes were still vpon God that Trumpet of the last day seemed to haue sowned alwaies in their eares so to you which haue such affection to y â— Gloses vpon y t Canon law as though your Chiefe Armour Treasure were in theÌ„ in making war against y â— Supremicie Doctour Durand or Hostiensis Whether doth M. Iewel meditate vpon Gloses for deuotion or knowledge Or Charities sake or Petrus BertraÌ„dus or y t Glose vpoÌ„ Vnam sanctam de Maioritate obedientia are so nigh at hart w t you so ready in your memory y â— for respect of them you forgett y e present question And D.Har. speaking vnto you it seemeth to you it is Doctour Durand Verily M. Iewell this is but your thinking And whether it be through your much Sâ—udie and emptinesse of heade Or through egrenesse of Stomake and abundance of Choler that you be so distracted the truth is D. Har. neither saied it nor alluded in anie parte vnto Dominus Deus noster Papa that you might thinck your self to heare in him the Canonistes speaking But you had a fansie to bring in those wordes And for that cause no Occasion being geuen by D.Har. your owne Thought was your Guyde and Warrant that you might seeme yet to haue some mention made vnto you of D. Durand and the Canonistes lest your digression should haue ben to manifest Now one Example more and then an end of this Chapiter D. Harding to proue that the Publike Seruice of England was in Latine when it was conuerted first vnto the faith he bringeth furth one Iohn Archechaunter of S. Peters Church at Rome which was therefore interteined in England that he should teach the course of Seruice for the whole yere as it was done at S. Peters in Rome Of which this must folow by all reason that if the Church Seruice in England had ben in English An Archechanuter of Rome so great A Stranger had ben nothing a meete Person to teach naturall Englisshmâ—n to Singe Write and Reade in their owne Naturall Tongue But this witnesse sayeth M. Iewell cometh to Late How much to late Mary fower skore yeres For Iohn the Archechaunter Liued in the tyme of Pope Agatho in the yere of our Lord 680. Well this is hard dealing but hereof we shall speake in an other Place In the meane season Iudge thou now indifferent Reader and speake freely hath M. Iewel any occasion geueÌ„ here vnto him to medle with the Popes Decrees or Gloses vpon them None at all For the Argument against him comprehendeth no more but that the Latine Seruice was in England at y â— begynning and his answer stretcheth no further then to the plaine refusall of the witnesse brought in hecause he liued without the cumpasse of the sixe hundred yeres after Christ And this once saied he is at an end Yet see what a tale he will tell thee Iew. 189 For Iohn the Archechaunter sayeth he lyued in the tyme of Pope Agatho in the yere of our Lord 680. in whose name this decree is written Sic omnes sanctiones Apostolicae Sedis c. As much to the matter as the making of a Canon to the taking of a iorney Or the singinge at yorke to the sense of a Rubrike in Law Al the constitutions of the Apostolik see must be receaued so as the if they were confirmed by the very heuenly voice of S. Peter Vnto such a tyrannie the Church of Rome at that tyme was growen And the glose vppon the same saieth Papa sanctitatem suam recipit a Cathedra The Pope receaueth his holynesse of his Chaire Therefore herein M. Harding somewhat misrekened him selfe Wherefore I praie you Because of the forsayed Decree writen in Pope Agatho his name Or the saying of the Glose thervpon No it is plaine that you conclude D. Harding to haue misrekened him selfe because that Pope Agatho lyued in the yere of our Lorde 680. and Iohn the Archechaunter was of the same tyme. Howe now then Doe you proue by the decree and Glose which you full solemly haue alleaged that Pope Agatho lyued in the yere of our Lord 680 But there is no mention of such matter in them Wherefore then haue you brought in the Decree and the Glose You dissemble your Arte or els the consequence and hanginge of this geare together if any at all had bene woulde haue appered But in dede there lacked a poynt of plain deling For wheÌ„ you had once named Pope Agatho you should haue vsed a Therefore or some such like saying Because I haue meÌ„tioned Pope Agatho therfor I wil tel the geÌ„tle Reader what Decree was writen in his name and what the Glose vpon the same saieth In like phrase as a certaine Preacher after he had declared the fall of Adam taken by the eatinge of an Apple Now good people sayed he because I haue tolde you of an Apple which is an Indifferent thing lette vs speake of the fast in Lent Now if you disdain M. Iewel to vse this Therfore of my prompting tie your tale together w t it there is no cause why we may not infer a worse against you I meane this You haue therefore gone so ofte byside the right waie to speaking of Gloses and Caâ—onistes either of a feruent Pasâ—ion of Malice againste the Catholike Faith which made you alwayes greedie of disgracing it Either of a vaine loue towardes your owne prayse which itched you forwarde to vtter your much reading Againe the