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A41618 Papists protesting against Protestant-popery in answer to a discourse entituled, A papist not mis-represented by Protestants : being a vindication of The papist mis-represented and represented, and the reflections upon the answer. Gother, John, d. 1704. 1686 (1686) Wing G1340; ESTC R227532 21,123 40

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false Gods Image maintainers Worship Stocks and Stones they give also the honour due to God to their Images even as did the gentile Idolaters to their Idols Who can doubt but that our Image maintainers agreeing in all Idolatrous opinions agree also with them in committing most abominable Idolatry In many points our Image maintainers have exceeded the Gentile Idolaters in all wickedness foolishness and madness and if this be not sufficient to prove them Image-Worshipers that is to say Idolaters Lo you shall hear c. The Learned and Vnlearned Laity and Clergy all Ages Sects and Degrees of Men and Women and Children of whole Christendome have been at once drown'd in abominable Idolatry the space of Eight hundred years and more This is the Protestant Character of a Papist and such as I always look'd upon no other than of a Papist Mis-represented and whoever will take the pains to compare it with what I set down under that Title will find there 's little other difference between them but that this is the Fouler But now it seems it must be no longer a Papist Mis-represented but Represented and 't is what the Best and Wisest Men have Believ'd of them And here now what shall I say Our Replier says these are Great and Good Authorities and we may well suppose they knew what Popery was And for my part because I love not quarelling I shall so far joyn with them that if this be the Popery they have hitherto prosecuted with so much Fervour and Zeal if this be the Popery from whose infection they have so industriously Laboured to deliver the Christian World they have done nothing but what is the duty of every true Believer And if 't was for the not Embracing this Popery those Martyrs Recorded by Fox pass'd the Fiery Trial their Cause was surely a Glorious Cause and I question not the Triumphs and Crowns of Glory that waited for them in Heaven were not inferior to what those enjoy'd who suffer'd under Decius or Dioclesian And for my part I am so far in earnest had I a Thousand lives I would rather choose by the assistance of Heaven to loose them all at the Stake than in the least assent to so much Heathenism to so Foul and Monstrous a Religion And what need now of any longer disagreement What necessity of keeping up Names of Division Protestant and Papist may now shake hands and by one Subscription close into a Body and joyn in a fair and amicable correspondence Popery has been hitherto the only cause of Separation one part seeming to avow and support it the other as Zealously endeavouring its overthrow And all the strife it seems has been about a Word For now we have been inform'd from Great and Good Authorities what this Popery is what Papist in the World is there that will not so far become Protestant as to give his hand for the utter suppressing this kind of Popery And when Protestants and Papists concur for the rooting out of Popery what possibility of Farther Divisions But if on the other side this Character of a Papist be intended for the setting forth the Doctrines and Practices of the Church of Rome if this be design'd as a True Representation of the Faith and Religion of Roman Catholicks Then returns afresh my complaint of their being Mis-represented that they suffer under the greatest injustice imaginable that they are expos'd in Bears and Tigers Skins so to become a Bugbear to the Multitude That they are malign'd and render'd odious for the maintaining such Doctrines which they as heartily Detest as those that urge the charge and that 't is no wonder that Papists are put in the List with Turks and Infidels since their Religion is thus injuriously loaded with Calumnies and they made the Professors of such Tenets which bid open defiance to Truth Honesty and Christianity which strike at the Worlds Redeemer and are impossible to be entertain'd by any Creature that is one degree above a Beast I will not deny but whosoever will look into the Church of Rome as the Scavanger does into the City who stops no where but at a Dunghil may rake together so much as to defame her with the Inconsiderate and Unwary alas the Vices of Men in her Communion their abuses of the most Sacred things too abundantly furnish matter of this kind But yet whosoever shall expose this for the Doctrine and Practise of their Church and describe her and all in her Communion by these Rubbish Collections cannot possibly avoid the scandal of being unjust and might with as good reason decipher London by those loathsome heaps where all her filth is emptied And now since 't is evident the Adversaries of the Church of Rome do generally thus deal by her scraping out of every corner of that vast Communion and in every Age whatsoever can possibly contribute to make her infamous there is too too much reason to complain of her being Mis-represented and no just exception can be made against the Character of the Papist Misrepresented which lays open to the World the Artifice of these unwarrantable proceedings But here now strikes in the Replyer who undertakes to explain a Mystery in this Character and the Reflecter he says will have no reason to glory that he gave the occasion of it And this Mystery it seems are some faults he has discover'd in the Mis-representation 1st He says such things are put into this Character of a Papist as no Man in his wits ever charg'd them with And yet those very things almost in express terms and others far more absur'd we see charg'd as is shew'd above by the Best and Wisest of Men of great and good Authority with the Replyer as he confesses himself p. 2. And this too is to me a Mystery as well as to him that what no Man in his wits ever urg'd and what the former Answerer calls Childish and Ignorant or Willful mistakes should be now seen Father'd upon Men of so high a Character 2ly and 3ly He complains that the Opinions of Protestants and the consequences they draw from Popish Doctrines are put into the Character of a Papist Mis-represented as if they were his avow'd Doctrine and Belief This is a pretty speculative quarrel I confess and might deservedly find room here were it our business to consider the due method of Mis-representation in the abstract But as our present concern stands here 's a quaint conceit lost for coming in a wrong place For what had the Author of the Papist Mis-represented to do with these Rules He did not intend to Mis-represent any body His Province was only to draw forth the Character of a Papist as 't is commonly apprehended by the Vulgar or the Multitude with the common prejudices and mistakes that generally attend such a notion Now I would fain know whether this Character as it lies in the peoples heads is distinguish'd into Antecedents and Consequents Whether they when they hear one