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A71056 An apology of the treatise De non temerandis ecclesiis against a treatie by an unknowne authour, written against it in some particulars / by Sir Henry Spelman Knight ; also his epistle to Richard Carew Esquire, of Anthony in Cornwall concerning tithes. Spelman, Henry, Sir, 1564?-1641. 1646 (1646) Wing S4917; ESTC R19621 39,391 64

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owne person and passing over amongst them such snatches of his as scarcely ruffle the haire I will onely meddle with those parts where he thinketh he biteth deepest First he quarrelleth with me about the title of my booke in that I use the word Ecclesia for a materiall Church or as in contempt he termeth it a * stone-house affirming in his learning that it signifieth onely the congregation which assertion if he could make good would give him a great hand in the cause for that much of his argument following lieth very heavily upon this pin Surely if I guesse right some Dictionary hath deceived him for perhaps his reading reacheth not so far as to resolve him herein but if two thousand authorities be sufficient to defend me withall I speak it without hyperbole I assure my selfe I could produce them Who knoweth not how ordinary a thing it is to have one word signifie both the persons and the place as Civitas the citizens or towne Collegium the society or house Senatus the Senators or Senate house Synagoga the assembly or place of assembly I am sure he will confesse that where it is said He loveth our nation and hath built us a synagogue It is not there meant of the persons he built them a congregation but of the place A Synagogue and Ecclesia signifie both one and the same thing the congregation or place of congregation in which sense we Christians notwithstanding use onely the word Ecclesia for our congregations and houses of prayer for that the Jews had taken up the other word for their Oratories according to an old verse Nobis Ecclesia datur Hebraeis Synagoga And in this manner was the word {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} used amongst the Greeks before the Christians borrowed it from them as it appeareth by some of your Lexicons where it is said {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Caetus concilium congregatio c. ponitur etiam pro loco ipso in quem convenitur Lucianus {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} i.e. Ubi curiam in qua consultant undique stravero And that the Church hath ever since used it in the same sort shall by and by appeare when we come to insist more particularly upon this point Faine would I know what himselfe would call one of our stone-Churches in Latine Templum savours of Judaisme and if I should have used a word of the ancient Fathers and said De non temerandis Basilicis Curiacis or Dominicis it may be I should have driven him to his Dictionary and yet left him pusled I thought fanum too prophane a word but he perhaps would think it so much the fitter for a Church and a play-house seem a like to him Another of his quarrels is that I apply the place of Isaiah the Prophet cap. 56. 7. My house shall be called an house of prayer locally to places of prayer whereas he saith it was spoken figuratively of the congregation of the faithfull I exclude not that sense but I assure my selfe our Saviour Christ when he whipt the sellers out of the Temple not out of the congregation applied this Scripture to the very place of prayer and it is questionlesse that the old and late classicke writers so expound it Some quotations here were intended out of ancient and moderne Authors which though I could easily supply yet being loth to adde any thing to the originall copie I leave it to the learned reader to consult the Commentators which is easily done Againe it much offends him that I interpret the words of Saint Paul 1 Cor. 11. 12. Despise ye the Church of God as spoken of the materiall place which after his manner he will also have to be onely understood of the Congregation and had the word ecclesia no other signification then doubtlesse he had obtained the cause But obserue I pray what I have formerly said touching that point and then take into your consideration the words of the Apostle as they lye in that chapter First in the 18. verse he saith {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Quando convenisti in ecclesia For these be the very words and how we shall English them is the question Whether when ye come together in the Congregation that is in the assembly or when ye come together in the Church that is in the place of the assembly I confesse the words indefinitely spoken may beare either interpretation and I condemne neither of them in this place Yet let us see which is more probable or at least whether my trespasse deserves his reprehension The Apostle continuing his speech upon the same subject in the 20. vers. goeth on thus {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} as if he should say convenientibus igitur vobis in eodem leaving {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} in eodem spoken neutrally and as it were to be applied either to the assembly or the place which to put it out of doubt Beza and our English Geneva translation doe adde the word locus a place in a different letter to declare the meaning of the Apostle and read it accordingly When you come together therefore into one place So that now it is determined how the word Ecclesia or Church in the 18. vers. before going is to be expounded and then joyne the words subsequent unto it wherein the Apostle complaineth of the abusing that thing which before he spake of and in reprehension of the abuse committed therein by eating and drinking he saith vers. 22. Have ye not houses to eate and to drink in or despise ye the Church of God Where the very antithesis of houses to eate and drink in with the Church of God doe still pursue the precedent interpretation of Ecclesia for the place of assembly as if distinguishing betweene places and not persons he should have said Your houses are the places to eate and drink in but the Church is the place of prayer otherwise he might perhaps have said Have ye not other meetings to eate and drinke at but despise ye this holy meeting And I thinke it not without speciall providence that the Translators therefore did translate here {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} an ecclesiam Dei contemniti Despise ye the Church of God not despise ye the Congregation of God for the word Chyrche coming of the German word Kirken and that of the Greek word {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} which signifieth Dominicum or the Lords House was in ancient times as Eusebius and Nicephorus witnesse the common name of materiall Churches doth to this day properly signifie the same and we doe never use it for a particular congregation but either generally for the body or society of the faithfull through a whole kingdome or common wealth or particularly for the very place of prayer onely This foundation being now laid upon the words of the Apostle himselfe let us see how it hath