certain by Gods word that children being baptized have all things necessary for their Salvation and be undoubtedly saved where it is plain they mean they have all things necessary ex parte Ecclesiae or all Gods applying Ordinances necessary though they should die unconfirmed supposing they have all things necessary to just baptism on their own part which is but what the Ancients were wont to say of the baptized adult but they never meant that the infidel and impenitent were in a state of life because he was baptized but that all that truly consent to the Covenant and signifie this by being baptized are saved So the Church of England saith that they receive no detriment by delaying confirmation but it never said that they received no detriment by their Parents or Responses infidelity or Hypocrisie or by their want of true right coram Deo to be baptized Q. 39. What is the true meaning of Sponsors or Godfathers and is it lawful to make use of them Answ My Opinion is that they did both witness the probability of the Parents fidelity and also promised that if they should either Apostatize or dye they would see that the children were piously educated If you take them but as the ancient Churches did for such as do attest the Parents fidelity in their perswasion and do promise first to mind you of your duty and next to take care of their pious education if you die I know no reason you have to scruple this much yea more it is in your power to agree with the Godfathers that they shall represent your own persons and speak and promise what they do as your deputies only in your names and what have you against this Object When the Churchmen mean another thing this is but to juggle with the world Answ How can you prove that the authority that made or imposed the Liturgy meant any other thing 2. If the Imposers had meant ill in a thing that may be done well you may discharge your Conscience by doing it well and making a sufficient profession of your better sense Q. 42. How is the Holy Ghost given to Infants in Baptism whether all the children of true Christians have inward sanctifying grace c. Ans My judgment agreeth more in this with Davenant's than any others saving that he doth not appropriate the benefits of Baptism to the children of true Believers so much as I do And though by a Letter impleading Davenant's cause I was the occasion of printing good Mr. Gataker's Answer to him yet I am still most inclined to his judgment Not that all the baptized but that all the baptized seed of true Christians are pardoned justifyed adopted and have a title to the spirit and Salvation And we must choose great inconveniences if this opinion be forsaken viz. that all infants must be taken to be out of Covenant with God and to have no promise of Salvation whereas surely the law of Grace as well as the Covenant of works included all the seed in their capacity Of the Responses Q. 83. May the people bear a vocal part in Worship and do any more than say Amen Answ The people bear an equal part in singing the Psalms which are prayer and praise and instruction if they may do so in the Psalms in metre there can be no reason given but they may lawfully do so in Psalms in Prose for saying them and singing them are but modes of utterance and the Ancient singing was liker our Saying than our tunes The Primitive Christians were so full of zeal and love to Christ that they would have taken it for an injury and a quenching of the Spirit to have been wholly restrained from bearing their part in the praises of the Church The use of the tongue keepeth awake the mind and stirreth up God's graces in his servants It was the decay of zeal in the people that first shut out the Responses while they kept up the ancient zeal they were inclined to take their part vocally in the Worship And this was seconded by the pride and usurpation of the Priests thereupon who thought the people of God too prophane to speak in the Assemblies and meddle so much with holy things Yet the very remembrance of former zeal caused most Churches to retain many of the words of their predecessors even when they lost the life and spirit which should animate them and so the same words came into the Liturgies and were used by too many customarily and in formality which their Ancestors had used in the fervour of their Souls And if it were not that a dead-hearted formal people by speaking the Responses carelesly and hypocritically do bring them into disgrace with many that see the necessity of seriousness I think few good people would be against them now It is here the duty of every Christian to labour to restore the life and spirit to the words that they may again be used in a serious and holy manner as heretofore Exod. 19. 8. In as solemn an Assembly as any of ours when God gave Moses a form of words to preach to the people all the people answered together and said All that the Lord hath spoken we will do So Exod. 24. 3. and Deuter. 5. 27. which God approved of v. 28 29. See Levit. 9. 24. 2 Kings 23. 2 3. 1 Chron. 1. 35 36. It is a command Ps 67. 3 5. Let all the people praise thee O God c. And he that will limit this to single persons or say that it must not be vocally in the Church or it must be in metre only and never in prose must prove it lest he be proved one that addeth to Gods word Q. 84. Is it not a Sin for our Clerks to make themselves the mouth of the people Answ The Clerks are not appointed to be the mouth of the people but each Clerk is one of the people commanded to do that which all should do lest it should be wholly left undone If all the congregation will speak all that the Clerk doth it will answer the primary desire of the Church Governors who bid the people do it Of Bowing at the name Jesus And of Priests Altars c. Q. 86. Is it lawful to bow at the name of Jesus Answ That we may lawfully express our reverence when the names God Jehovah Jesus Christ c. are uttered I have met with few Christians who deny nor know I any reason to deny it If I live and joyn in a Church where it is commanded and peremptorily urged to bow at the name of Jesus and where my not doing it would be divisive scandalous or offensive I will bow at the name of God Jehovah Jesus Christ Lord c. My judgment of standing at the Gospel and kneeling at the Decalogue when it is commanded is the same Q. 122. May the name Priests Sacrifice and Altars be lawfully used Answ The New Testament useth all the Greek names
whose capacity will scarce serve him to utter five words in sensible manner blusheth not in any doubt concerning matter of Scripture to think his own bare Yea as good as the Nay of all the Wise Grave and Learned Judgments that are in the whole World which insolency must be represt or it will be the very bane of Christian Religion And therefore he concludes The certain commands of the Church must be obeyed in all things not certainly unlawful And page 144. That which the Church by her Authority shall probably think and define to be true and good must in congruity of reason over-rule all other inferior judgments whatsoever And as to Orders established by the Church sith equity and season favour that which is in being till orderly judgment of Decision be given against it it is but Justice to Exact of you and perversness in you it would be to deny thereunto your willing obedience Not that I judge it a thing allowable for Men to observe those Laws which in their hearts they are stedfastly perswaded to be against the Laws of God but your perswasion in this case ye are all bound for the time to suspend and in otherwise doing ye offend against GOD by troubling his Church without any just or necessary cause Be it that there are some Reasons inducing you to think hardly of our Laws are those Reasons demonstrative are they necessary or but meer probabilities only An argument necessary and demonstrative is such as being proposed unto any Man and understood the mind cannot choose but inwardly assent But if the skilfullest among you can shew that all the Books ye have hitherto written be able to afford any one Argument of this nature let the instance be given As for probabilities what thing was there ever set down so agreeable with sound reason but some probable shew against it might be made Is it meet that when publickly things are received and have taken place general obedience thereunto shall cease to be exacted in case this or that private person led with some probable conceit should make open protestation Peter or John disallow them and pronounce them naught So that of peace and quietness there is not any way possible unless the probable voice of every intire Society or Body Politick over rule all private of like nature in the same Body Which thing effectually proveth that GOD being Author of Peace and not of confusion in the Church must needs be Author of those Mens peaceable resolutions who concerning these things have determined with themselves to think and do as the Church they are of Decreeth till they see Necessary cause enforcing them to the contrary And p. 144 145. Mr. Hooker saith That which the Church by her Authority shall probably think and define to be true and good must in congruity of reason over-rule all other inferior judgments whatsoever And where our duty is Submission weak oppositions betoken Pride Now as the Name of Mr. Hales prevailed with Mr. Chillingworth to imbrace some unsound Opinions of his so hath it done with others of great note The Author of the Irenicum p. 108. repeats the first and part of the second Page of this Tract with this Commendation It is well observed by a Learned and Judicious Divine That Heresie and Schism c. And p. 120. I shall subjoyn the judgment of as Learned and Judicious a Divine as most our Nation hath bred in his Excellent though little Tract of Schism And then he repeats p. 210. In those Schisms c. to p. 212. And in p. 120 and 121. of the Irenicum he quotes Mr. Hales from p. 215. And were Liturgies c. to p. 218. and adds So far that Excellent Person whose words I have taken the pains to transcribe because of the great wisdome judgment and moderation contained in them and the seasonableness of his Counsel and Advice to the present posture of Affairs among us And p. 394. Thus that incomparable Man Mr. Hales in his often quoted Tract of Schism p. 223. to p. 225. adding Thus that grave and wise Person whose words savour of a more than ordinary tincture of a true spirit of Christianity that scorns to make Religion a footstool to pride and ambition The Author of the Rehearsal Transpros'd speaks marvellously of Him I shall conclude says he with a Villanous Pamphlet of which a great Wit was the Author and whereas Mr. Bayes is alwayes defying the Non-conformists with Mr. Hooker's Ecclesiastical Polity and the Friendly Debate I am of Opinion though I have a great reverence for Mr. Hooker that this little Book of not full Eight Leaves hath shut that Ecclesiastical Polity and Mr. Beyes too our of Doors It is one Mr. Hales of Eaton a most Learned Divine and one of the Church of England and most remarkable for his sufferings in the late times and for his Christian patience under them And I reckon it not one of the least ignominies of that Age that so eminent a Person should have been by the iniquity of the times reduced to those necessities under which he lived As I account it no small honour to have grown up into some part of his acquaintance and conversed a while with the living Remains of one of the clearest Heads and best prepared Breasts in Christendom I hope it will not be tedious though I write some few and yet whatsoever I omit I shall have left behind more material passages And then he fills up near Eight Pages of his Book out of Mr. Hales his Eight Leaves It was not amiss in the Scribes and Pharisees to build the Tombes of the Prophets and garnish their Sepulchres but to persecute their Successors and Christ himself under pretence of honouring the Ancients was an impiety full fraught with malice and envy And a usual thing it is for such as intend to trample on such Worthies as are present and stand in their way to express great respect to those that are removed out of it Sed nisi quae terris semota suisque Temporibus defuncta videt fastidit odit Yet by that Author's leave I have quoted much less out of the Reverend Mr. Hooker in this Parergon yet enough to confute all that he or Mr. Hales have said in Defence of Schism There is another late Pamphlet called Separation no Schism which in p. 40. telleth us That a meer suspicion of sin is a sufficient ground for withdrawing Communion in the judgment of very learned Men and then quotes Mr. Hales So says that Universally admired Man p. 210. and p. 216 217 218. and infers These Testimonies are so clear and backt with such Unanswerable Reasons that not only where the Commission of Sin but the doing any thing that is suspected to be sinful is required as a condition of Communion there a withdrawing is lawful and not at all Schismatical Now when Men of so much Learning and Judgment as some of those whom I have mentioned have upon the reputation
Incense to the Pagan Gods Trajan was one of the mildest of those Emperors and Pliny the Younger being required to certifie the practices and behaviour of the Christians in his days acquainted the Emperor that they did meet together in the Night and sung Hymns to Christ as to their God which was their only crime for as to other things They bound themselves by an Oath not to run into any wickedness not to commit Thefts Murders or Adulteries not to break their promises or withhold any thing committed to their trust l. 10. Epist 97. And yet besides those famous Bishops Ignatius Clemens Anicetus many Thousands of pious Christians were martyred the Heathen were so far from permitting their Meetings howsoever and by whomsoever celebrated that they hunted out private Christians and upon their confessions that they were so they were instantly condemned If a Legion of Witnesses will suffice I shall produce that of the Noble Thebean Legion consisting of 6666. Souldiers who when Maximinus was Emperor and prepared to fight his Enemies though they had often given testimony both of their valour and fidelity to his Predecessors and had by the accustomed Oaths sworn the same to him which Oaths Vegetius de Re militari l. 2. sets down in these words Jurant per Deum Christum Sanctum Spiritum per majestatem Imperatoris quae secundùm Deum generi humano diligenda est colenda omnia se strenuè facturos quae praeceperit Imperator nunquam deserturos militiam nec mortem recusaturos pro Romana Republicâ were yet required to lustrate or expiate themselves by offering sacrifice to the Heathen Gods which they refusing to do jointly professing themselves to be Christians he decimates the whole Legion and slays every Tenth Man with the Sword and afterward requires the same impiety from the rest but their chief Commanders who deserve serve to be mentioned in all Histories Mauritius Tribune of the Legion Exuperius their Standard-bearer and Candidus one of the Senatorian Order exhorting them to constancy in the Christian Faith being required to bring their Legion to the Emperor at Octodurus and there perform those Pagan rites answered That they were ready in all things to obey the Emperors commands in fighting against his Enemies only being Christians they could by no means Sacrifice to his Gods Whereupon they suffered another Decimation at which the remainder of the Legion were so far from being daunted that they all professed themselves of the same resolution and should rejoyce to obtain the same honour of Martyrdom Whereupon the Emperor Ordered his Army to fall on them and cut them in pieces which was accordingly done not one of them seeking an escape Baronius ad Annum 297. Nor were these Massacres only committed in the times of the ten persecutions but afterward when some Christian Emperors infected with Arrianism had the power they made havock of the peaceable and Orthodox Christians and denyed them the priviledge of publick or private meetings And our Author himself observes p. 228. That Christian meetings under Pagan Princes when for fear they durst not come together in open view were charged with foul imputations as by the report of Christians themselves plainly appears And again p. 227. That time had taken leave to fix this name of Conventicles upon good and honest meetings and that perchance not altogether without good reason Which reason he expresseth p. 228. it was espied that ill affected persons abused private meetings for Religion to gross impiety and therefore both Church and State jointly gave order for Forms times and places of publick Concourse and all other meetings besides those of which both time and place were limited they censured for routs and riots and unlawful assemblies in the State and in the Church for Conventicles Upon which our Author concludes p. 229. It is not lawful no not for prayer hearing c. for people to Assemble otherwise than by publick order is allowed But notwithstanding this concession our Author having distinguisâ—ed between times of corruption and incorruption he says p. 230. That in times of manifest corruptions and persecutions wherein Religious assembling is dangerous private meetings however besides publick Order are not only lawful but they are of necessity and duty And this he supposeth a competent Plea as well for the Papists in our days as for the Protestants in Queen Maries dayes For else saith he how shall we excuse the meetings of Christians for publick service in time of danger and persecutions and of our selves in Queen Maries days and how will those of the Roman Church amongst us put off the imputation of Conventicling who are known amongst us privately to assemble for Religious exercise against all established order both in Church and State Now I willingly grant that in times of manifest corruptions and persecutions such as the Roman and Marian were private meetings are lawful and necessary duties because if men do forbid what God hath commanded it is better to obey God than man But this rule will not hold with that Latitude which our Author annexeth to it that such meetings are lawful however besides publick order and p. 231. however practised For suppose that Dioclesian or Queen Mary had published their Edicts that on such days such a number of Christians or Protestants should meet and worship God in publick places allowed them for that purpose or as by the late Act of Parliament any Family not admitting above five for Religious exercises were tolerated it had been their duty to acquiesce in such an Indulgence and not by meeting in greater numbers and in places and times prohibited to provoke their Governors For certainly God hath committed to the Soveraign authority a power of regulating the External exercise of Divine Worship nor can the irregularity of good men make void that Ordinance of God And therefore our Author concludes amiss when he sayes That all pious Assemblies in times of persecution and corruption however practised are indeed or rather alone the lawful congregations and publick Assemblies though according to form of Law are indeed nothing else but Riots and Conventicles if they be stained with corruption and superstition A Doctrine that is very pleasing both to the Papists and other Sectaries who being perswaded that we are corrupted and they are persecuted may be incouraged once again to set up the good old Cause that is the overthrow of Monarchy and Episcopacy in this Nation and the setting up of Popery and Anarchy in their rooms Mr. Hales tells us in his Sermon on Luke 18. 1. p. 134. of his Golden Remains that Tully observed that Antony the Orator being to defend a person who was accused of Faction and Sedition bent his wits to maintain that Sedition was good and not to be objected as a fault our Author hath strained his wits to do the like by Schism and so far to excuse separation as ordinarily to lay the blame thereof upon Superiors and to make them the
I have But shall I therefore wrong the truth and Church of God and my own and others Souls God forbid And page 52. he farther tells us I repent that I no more discouraged the spirit of peevish quarrelling with Superiors and Church-orders and though I ever disliked and opposed it yet that I sometimes did too much incourage such as were of their temper by speaking too sharply against those things which I thought to be Church corruptions and was too loth to displease the contentious for fear of being uncapable to do them good knowing the prophane to be much worse than they and meeting with too few religious persons that were not too much pleased with such invectives And as an Argument of his repentance he defends himself against Bagshaw who objected that he chose on Easter day to communicate in a very populous Church purposely that it might be known saying p. 76. If a man by many years forbearing all publick prayers and Sacrament should tempt others to think that he is against them or counts them needless how should he cure that scandal but by doing that openly pleading for it which he is supposed to be against Ministers being bound to teach the people by Example as well as Doctrine p. 78. And what he practised himself he carefully perswaded the people to avoid separation and hold communion in the parochial Churches For the Question which he maintained against Bagshaw was It is lawful to hold communion with such Christian Churches as have worthy or tolerable Pastors notwithstanding the Parochial order of them and the Ministers conformity and use of the Common Prayer-book and with two limitations concludes p. 89. That we ought to do so when some special reasons as from Authority scandal c. do require it And whereas by these actions and writings Mr. Baxter had so provoked the dissenting parties that it was objected as himself intimates in a second objection in the Preface of his Christian Directory That his writings differing from the common judgment had already caused offence to the Godly in the fourth Answer he sayes If God bless me with opportunity and help I will offend such men much more by endeavouring further than ever I have done the quenching of that fire which they are still blowing up and detecting the folly and mischief of those Logomachies by which they militate against Love and Concord and inflame and tear the Church of God and let them know that I am about it These are resolutions becoming a Minister of Christ an Ambassador of the Prince of Peace taken up after long and serious deliberation well rooted and fixed in his judgment and Conscience by reason whereof he was enabled through the Grace of God to withstand manifold temptations and violent oppositions to the contrary Nor can I think that such a man as Mr. Baxter can flee and desert so good a cause and after Vows to make enquiry and render himself guilty of all those calumnies and reproaches which his enemies have endeavoured to fix upon him Nor can I think that having brought our present controversies to so narrow a compass of ground he will contribute to the building of a Babel upon it This were to make good those hard speeches of Mr. Bagshaw against him who tells us p. 152. That one worthy of Credit told him that the Learned and Judicious Mr. Herle having read that cryed up book of his said It had been happy for the Church of God if Mr. Baxter's friends had never sent him to School and that Mr. Cawdry had the same opinion of it And that another person as knowing in the Mystery of Godliness as either of them told a friend of his that notwithstanding the noise about him Mr. Baxter would end in flesh and bloud And in a word this would set home his own fears upon his spirit that he might be a fire brand in hell for being a fire-brand in the Church I shall therefore charitably believe that though he seem to look another way yet he is labouring to bring the people that adhere to him to the harbour of Ecclesiastical peace and unity that he doth still preach up not holiness only but peace too without which he knows no man shall see God nor can I think that he doth now practise in contempt of Authority what himself had condemned in others or that he intends to harden the people in such a Separation as he had so long so passionately so rationally declaimed against I rather hope that he hath some dispensation from his Lawful Superiors and that by a pia fraus having greater advantages of doing good put into his hands he will by degrees improve them to the glory of God and the peace of this distracted Church If he drive any other design I would desire him to consider first how he can Answer his own Arguments unto men and secondly how to give an account to God for his contrary practices But I have a very great confidence that he who hath with great industry and faithfulness provided so many solid materials from the Scriptures and right reason for the supporting and beautifying a Temple of peace having carved and guilded them over with serious Protestations of his own pacifick intentions and variety of Rhetorick to perswade others will not be a Leader of that rabble which shall first break down the carved works with axes and hammers and at last though sore against his will raze the very foundations and cry Down with it down with it even to the ground Of the Church Mr. Baxter in his Reasons for the Christian Religion p. 464. S. 2. THE Church of Christ being his Body is but one and hath many parts but should have no Parties but unity and concord without Division S. 3. Therefore no Christian must be of a Party or Sect as such that is as dividing it self from the rest causing Schism or Contention in the Body or making a rent unnecessarily in any particular Church which is a part S. 8. Nothing will warrant us to separate from a Church as no Church but the want of something essential to a Church S. 11. It is essential to particular Political Churches that they be constituted of true Bishops or Pastors and of Flocks of baptized or professed Christians united for holy Communion in the worshipping of God and the promoting of the Salvation of the several Members S. 12. It is essential to a true Bishop or Pastor of the Church to be in office that is in authority and obligation appointed by Christ in Subordination to him in the three parts of his offices Prophetical Priestly and Kingly That is to teach the People to stand between them and God in Worship and to guide or govern them by the Paternal exercise of the Keys of his Church S. 15. If a Church which in all other respects is purest and best will impose any sin upon all that will have any local Communion with it though we must not separate from
licence to preach in his Dominions How Humane Laws bind the Conscience Q. Whether the Laws of men do bind the Conscience Answ p. 37. Taking conscience in a stricter sense as including essentially a relation to God's obligation the full sense of the question is this Whether it be a sin against God to break the laws of man Answ It is a sin against God to break such Laws as Rulers are authorized by God to make First because God commandeth us to obey our Rulers God commandeth us to obey in general and their Law determineth of the particular matter therefore God obligeth us in conscience of his Law to obey them in that particular 2. Because by making them his Officers by his commission he hath given them a certain beam of authority which is Divine as derived from God therefore they can command us by a power derived from God therefore to disobey is to sin against a power derived from God Man being God's officer first his own Law layeth on us an obligation on derivatively Divine for it is no Law which hath no obligation and it is no authoritative obligation which is not derived from God 2. God's own Law bindeth us to obey Man's Laws Romans 13. And it may be a good reason to perswade obedience to our Ecclesiastical Governours because Preaching is a cheap and easie work in comparison of Church-government Take heed of engaging your selves in a Sect or Faction a narrow Sectarian separating mind will make all the truths of God give place to the opinions of his Party and measure the prosperity of the Gospel by the prosperity of his Party he will not stick to persecute all the rest of the Church of Christ if the interest of his Sect require it Overvalue not any private or singular opinions of your own or others for if once spiritual pride and ignorance of your own weakness make you espouse particular opinions as peculiarly your own you will think your conceits more illuminating and necessary than they are as if Mens sincerity lay in the imbracing of them and their Salvation on the receiving of them and think all that are against your opinion deserve to be cast out as enemies to Reformation and perhaps Twenty Years after experience may bring you to your wits and make you see the falshood or smalness of all those points which you made so great a matter of and then what comfort will you have of your persecutions O the deceitfulness of the heart of man Little do the many real Separatists who cry out against Persecution suspect that the same spirit is in them Whence is Persecution but from thinking ill of others and abhorring or not loving them and do not you do so by those whom you causlesly separate from It is one and the same sin in the Persecutor and Divider or Separatist which causeth the one to smite their Brethren and the other to excommunicate them the one to cast them into Prison as Schismaticks and the other to cast them out of the Church as profane the one to account them intolerable in the Land and the other to account them intolerable in the Church the inward thoughts of both are the same that those whom they smite or separate from are bad and unlovely and unfit for better usage But I have observed that Professors of Religion did oppose and deride almost all that worship of God out of pretended conscience which others did out of profaness Saints Rest part 1. c. 7. Sect. 14. It was none of the old cause that the People should have liberty and the Magistrate should have no power in all matters of God's worship faith and conscience And as it is not the old cause so it is not the good cause For first it contradicteth the express revelation of the will of God in the Holy Scripture Moses as a Magistrate had to do in matters of Religion and so had the Kings of Israel and Judah Law and providence are both quite changed if toleration of false worship and other abuses of Religion tend not to the ruine of the Common-wealth If Magistrates must give liberty for all to propagate a false religion then so must Parents and Masters also which would be a crime so horrid in the nature and effects of it as I am loth to name with its proper titles The Magistrates will quickly find that the distractions of the Church will breed and feed such distractions in the Common-wealth as may make them wish they had quenched the fire while it was yet quenchable Our unity is not only our strength but their strength and the fire that begun in the Church may if let alone reach the Court. Pag. 423. of his 5. Disputations he lays down this as the summ of what he had said That Man may determine of modes and circumstances of Worship necessary and commanded in genere but not determined by God in specie Sect. 65. and then infers Sect. 67. If the mischoosing of such circumstances by Church-governors be but an inconvenience and do not destroy the Ordinance it self or frustrate the ends of it we are to obey 1. For he is the Judge in his own work and not we 2. The thing is not sinful though inconvenient 3. Obedience is commanded to our lawful Governors Sect. 70. And when we do obey in a case of miscommanding it is not a doing evil that good may come of it as some do misconceive but it is only a submitting to that which is ill-commanded but not evil in him that doth submit It is the determiner that is the cause of the inconvenience and not the obeyer Nor is it inconvenient for me to obey though it be worse perhaps to him that commandeth while he sinneth in commanding he may make it my duty to obey p. 461. Sect. 6. The reasons of this are obvious and clear even because it is the office of the Governors to determine of such circumstances It is the Pastor's office to guide and over-see the Flock and when he determineth these he is but in his own way and doth but his own work and therefore he is therein the Judge if the case be controvertible If none shall obey a Magistrate or Pastor in the works of their own office as long as they think he did them not the best way all Governours then would be presently overthrown and obedience denyed We are sure that God hath commanded us to obey them that are ever us in the Lord 1 Thess 5. 12. Hebr. 13. 7. 17 c. And therefore a certain duty may not be forborn on uncertain conjectures or upon every miscarriage of them that we owe it to This would un-church all Churches as they are Political Societies for if Pastors be taken down and the work of Pastors the Church is taken down S. 7. And the things in which the Pastor is now supposed to err are not of themselves unlawful but only by such an accident as being