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A41785 The prisoner against the prelate, or, A dialogue between the common goal [ie. gaol] and Cathedral of Lincoln wherein the true faith and Church of Christ are briefly discovered & vindicated ... / written by a prisoner of the baptised churches in Lincolnshire. Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692. 1662 (1662) Wing G1543; ESTC R14165 45,998 94

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further to confer with her be given An Introduction shewing the occasion of the Dialogue Ensuing UPon a time I had in me a mo●ion To take some cognizance of that Devotion Which in Old Lincoln's great Cathederal Is used in the way Prelatical Which I confess did outwardly appear Right glorious for to please both Eye and Ear. But when I call'd to mind the greatest end Of Divine Worship which is to amend Mans pravity by good edification I found that Worship a meer desolation One thing to me prodigious did appear Above the rest 't was two men which did wear Great Linnen Coats and one had on his back A Red Cloath ty'd as some men tye their Pack These did themselves divide from all the rest And walked Eastward bowing down their brest At certain places and obedience yeelded Vnto a cover'd Board which there was builded Where on a Cushon each man kneeled down And when their Arms on other two were thrown They seem'd to pray having their eyes cast down Upon two Printed Books where having shown Their skill in Reading he on th'right hand rose And turning West he did his Book unclose And therein read a Chapter which Paul wrote In th'second of the Corinths which I quote The rather for because methinks it might Have given these two Readers much more Light Than to have worship'd Wood or Cloth utensels Or ty'd themselves in Pray'rs to what mens pensels Had measur'd out This read some other things They also read and then a Black man brings Them off their stage bearing a silver Mace Before these white men to their former place Now when these Obsequies and Postulations Were finished then many made Orations Around the Quire but what was said or sung If I should say I know I should but wrong My self and them for there was such confusion Of Voices that wer 't Truth or wer't Delusion Nor hurt nor profit did thereof ensue To me sith what they said I no whit knew Yet these strang sights do cause me stil to wonder Why Prelates do against the Papists thunder So much because of Image-adoration For if that Wood or Stone built in the fashion Of Tables may adored be by Saints What lets the same when some like Men it prints Especially if Christ his form it beareth As reverend as a Table it appeareth Now having these mens doings thus far viewed I left them all within their stalls impued And having heard that some in Prison lay Because they could not close with that fine way of Worship I therefore anon repaired To see how these distressed persons fared And being come unto their lodging place I found the Prisoners with erected face To Heaven with their knees prostrate before The mighty God whom they did there adore With Pray'r and Praises which I understood And so far fervent that I gain'd some good By this Devotion for my cogitations Provoked were to heav'nly meditations And Christian conference with those distressed About the end reserv'd for all the Blessed These things I thought upon when home returned And in the sence thereof I partly mourned And partly did rejoyce I also thought How these things might into some form be brought For others and my own edification In Truth to stand and to have Preservation Somewhat by this means from the several snares Which do or may lye hid in Forms of Pray'rs And sith the Prison and the Minster were The places wherein I these Prayers did hear I therefore have the Conference compiled Between these two And now to be reviled For this my work it is my expectation From all such persons as in this our Nation Are preresolv'd to follow Mans Invention But hap as'twill that shall be no prevention To me from speaking Truth and more than that To speak if I do know 't my soul doth hate But now of time I 'll make no more expence But let the Goal begin the Conference The CONFERENCE CHAP. I. The Argument About Antiquity The Jayle doth first Dispute The Minster makes Repply The Jayle doth her Confute Jayle I Greet thee well thou great Cathederal Now shining in thy Form Prelatical Whilst others lye within my Cells because They can't conform to thy Prelatick Laws Whose case yet seemeth just and good to me Although 't is true they do dissent from thee Cathedral Is this a Jayle-like-greeting what 's the cause Thou thus declin'st thy work to take a pause About Religion and I further strange To hear the Jayle once intimate a Change 'Twixt her and me who wont with one consent All talk that 's too religious to prevent Jayle 'T is I even I thy old deluded Friend Which us'd to keep in hold whom thou didst send Without a due inquiry of their c●use And now behold such as do keep God's Laws Thou hast again committed unto me And let'st the breakers of his Law go free Cathederal Fy my Old Friend It grieves me thus to hear Thee side with those who do against me bear So great an opposition that if they Should freely speak perhaps my glorious way Might get a blot now therefore I advise thee Be gon lest I for this attempt chastise thee Jayle Perswade me not for I 'm concern'd to know The Truth from Falshood full as much as thou Now therefore give me leave with thee to reason About Religion whil'st we have a season Wherein to do it for the day 's at hand We must give an account how here we stand Cathederal Thou reason 'bout Religion When didst thou Take thy degrees the Liberal Arts to know Thou art prophane and I a Holy Place Nor can I with thee reason ' thout disgrace Sith therefore thus I may my self abuse I think it best thy offer to refuse Jayle Religion is not ty'd to Humane Learning For this is plain to all men of discerning That God hath chose the foolish and the poor Of this world rich in Faith Yea furthermore It seem'd well-pleasing to the Lord that Babes Should see true Light whilest th'wise lie in dark shades Cathederal 'T is true the Scripture speaks of such a thing When first the Gospel-Light began to spring But since that time 't is said th'unlearned do The Scriptures wrest unto their overthrow And this O Jayle is like to be thy fate Unless thou keep thee to thy former state Jayle Th'unlearned and th'unstable ones which do The Scriptures wrest unto their overthrow Are Learned Jews and famous Athens Scholars And not the poor who are our Saviours followers Th' first Churches were unlearned yet had skiil In holy Writ to know Gods holy Will Cathederal My other reason may suffice though this Should fail the Disputation to dismiss Defile not then my place by thy intrusion Nor think thou here to vent thy new Delusion for each must know their place and keep the same Or else receive their due deserved blame Jayle I do presume no holiness can be A good pretence this Conference to flee Nor yet can I thy place more holy