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the_o whole_a church_n but_o because_o he_o be_v head_n or_o supreme_a governor_n thereof_o 1._o which_o we_o may_v learn_v even_o in_o cicero_n key_n who_o say_v that_o est_fw-la proprium_fw-la munus_fw-la magistratus_fw-la etc._n etc._n it_o be_v the_o proper_a office_n or_o duty_n of_o the_o magistrate_n to_o understand_v that_o he_o bear_v the_o person_n of_o the_o city_n so_o he_o speak_v of_o the_o chief_a or_o supreme_a magistrate_n whereby_o it_o appear_v that_o whatsoever_o be_v give_v to_o the_o king_n as_o king_n and_o head_n of_o the_o commonwealth_n the_o same_o be_v give_v to_o the_o commonwealth_n whereof_o he_o bear_v and_o represent_v the_o person_n and_o so_o in_o like_a manner_n what_o be_v give_v to_o s._n peter_n as_o head_n of_o the_o church_n the_o same_o be_v give_v to_o the_o church_n which_o he_o represent_v for_o which_o cause_n also_o s._n cyprian_n say_v that_o ecclesia_fw-la est_fw-la in_o episcopo_fw-la the_o church_n be_v in_o the_o bishop_n and_o the_o 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acknowledge_v to_o have_v bear_v the_o person_n for_o the_o primacy_n which_o he_o have_v among_o the_o disciple_n and_o to_o the_o same_o purpose_n he_o say_v also_o elsewhere_o dom._n petrus_n à _fw-la petra_fw-la cognominatus_fw-la etc._n etc._n peter_n take_v his_o name_n from_o a_o rock_n be_v happy_a bear_v the_o figure_n of_o the_o church_n have_v the_o principality_n of_o the_o apostleship_n 6._o loe_o then_o for_o what_o cause_n s._n augustine_n say_v that_o when_o christ_n give_v to_o s._n peter_n the_o key_n of_o heaven_n &_o pastoral_a authority_n to_o feed_v his_o sheep_n augustine_n he_o give_v the_o same_o to_o all_o the_o church_n to_o wit_n because_o s._n peter_n have_v the_o principality_n or_o primacy_n of_o the_o apostolical_a dignity_n and_o be_v consequent_o chief_a pastor_n and_o head_n of_o the_o church_n do_v bear_v and_o represent_v the_o person_n or_o figure_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n so_o that_o you_o see_v the_o place_n which_o m._n andrew_n bring_v out_o of_o s._n augustine_n against_o the_o primacy_n of_o s._n peter_n make_v notable_o for_o it_o if_o it_o be_v consider_v with_o the_o circumstance_n thereof_o which_o he_o cunning_o and_o crafty_o conceal_v but_o in_o the_o other_o place_n which_o he_o cit_v out_o of_o s._n ambrose_n he_o be_v more_o fraudulent_a have_v plain_o corrupt_v the_o text_n which_o as_o it_o be_v in_o s._n ambrose_n be_v very_o conform_v to_o this_o doctrine_n of_o s._n augustine_n signify_v nothing_o else_o but_o that_o all_o the_o lawful_a pastor_n in_o god_n church_n 1._o receive_v their_o pastoral_a authority_n over_o their_o flock_n with_o s._n peter_n and_o therefore_o he_o say_v quas_fw-la oves_fw-la &_o quem_fw-la gregem_fw-la non_fw-la solùm_fw-la tunc_fw-la beatus_fw-la petrus_n suscepit_fw-la sed_fw-la &_o cum_fw-la illo_fw-la eas_fw-la nos_fw-la suscepimus_fw-la omnes_fw-la which_o sheep_n and_o which_o flock_v not_o only_o the_o bless_a peter_n then_o receive_v but_o as_o so_o we_o all_o receive_v they_o with_o he_o thus_o say_v s._n ambrose_n which_o all_o catholic_n do_v grant_v and_o teach_v in_o like_a manner_n because_o as_o i_o have_v say_v s._n peter_n represent_v the_o person_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n whereof_o he_o be_v head_n receive_v not_o that_o pastoral_a authority_n for_o himself_o alone_o but_o also_o for_o the_o church_n 7._o in_o which_o respect_n s._n ambrose_n say_v very_o well_o declare_v that_o all_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n receive_v their_o authority_n with_o he_o though_o not_o in_o equal_a degree_n as_o m._n andrews_n will_v have_v it_o who_o therefore_o bodge_v into_o s._n ambrose_n his_o text_n these_o word_n of_o his_o own_o et_fw-la nobiscum_fw-la eas_fw-la suscepit_fw-la and_o he_o that_o be_v to_o say_v s._n peter_n receive_v those_o sheep_n with_o we_o as_o if_o s._n ambrose_n shall_v mean_v that_o s._n peter_n have_v no_o prerogative_n in_o that_o point_n but_o that_o he_o and_o other_o pastor_n receive_v they_o all_o alike_o he_o with_o they_o &_o they_o with_o he_o for_o to_o that_o purpose_n do_v m._n andrew_n also_o allege_v the_o word_n of_o s._n ambrose_n afterward_o in_o a_o different_a letter_n thus_o verum_fw-la et_fw-la ille_fw-la nobisâ—um_fw-la &_o nos_fw-la cum_fw-la illo_fw-la oves_fw-la illas_fw-la pascendas_fw-la suscepimus_fw-la which_o manner_n of_o speech_n do_v indeed_o enforce_v a_o great_a equality_n betwixt_o s._n peter_n and_o other_o pastor_n than_o the_o true_a word_n of_o s._n ambrose_n do_v import_n or_o then_o he_o ever_o do_v imagine_v who_o teach_v express_o elsewhere_o the_o primacy_n of_o s._n peter_n not_o only_o above_o all_o other_o inferior_a pastor_n but_o also_o above_o the_o apostle_n themselves_o say_v 12._o that_o albeit_o andrew_n be_v call_v before_o peter_n yet_o primatum_fw-la non_fw-la accepit_fw-la andraeas_n sed_fw-la petrus_n andrew_n do_v not_o receive_v the_o primacy_n but_o peter_n yea_o &_o in_o another_o place_n he_o prove_v it_o by_o these_o very_a word_n of_o our_o saviour_n which_o be_v now_o in_o question_n to_o wit_n pâ—sce_n oves_fw-la meas_fw-la 8._o for_o have_v say_v that_o our_o saviour_n ask_v peter_n thrice_o whether_o he_o love_v he_o not_o to_o learn_v luc._n say_v he_o any_o thing_n of_o he_o but_o to_o teach_v he_o who_o he_o mean_v to_o leave_v to_o we_o velut_fw-la amoris_fw-la svi_fw-la vicarium_fw-la as_o the_o vicar_n of_o his_o love_n he_o allege_v our_o saviour_n word_n to_o s._n peter_n meas_fw-la to_o wit_n simon_n the_o son_n of_o john_n do_v thou_o love_v i_o etc._n etc._n pasce_fw-la agnos_fw-la meos_fw-la feed_v my_o lamb_n and_o then_o short_o after_o he_o infer_v thereupon_o thus_o et_fw-la ideo_fw-la quia_fw-la solus_fw-la profitetur_fw-la ex_fw-la omnibus_fw-la omnibus_fw-la antefertur_fw-la and_o therefore_o because_o he_o alone_o of_o all_o the_o rest_n profess_v his_o love_n he_o be_v prefer_v before_o they_o all_o and_o after_o a_o while_n he_o conclude_v that_o our_o lord_n ask_v he_o the_o three_o time_n whether_o he_o love_v he_o et_fw-la iam_fw-la say_v he_o non_fw-la agnos_fw-la ut_fw-la primò_fw-la quodam_fw-la lacte_fw-la pâ—scendos_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o now_o peter_n be_v command_v not_o to_o feed_v lamb_n with_o a_o certain_a milk_n as_o the_o first_o time_n nor_o to_o feed_v the_o little_a sheep_n as_o the_o second_o time_n but_o oves_fw-la pascere_fw-la iubetur_fw-la perfectiores_fw-la ut_fw-la perfectior_fw-la gubernaret_fw-la he_o be_v command_v to_o feed_v the_o sheep_n to_o the_o end_n that_o he_o be_v more_o perfect_a may_v govern_v the_o more_o perfect_a thus_o say_v s._n ambrose_n 9_o wherein_o it_o be_v to_o be_v note_v that_o he_o teach_v 3._o thing_n ambrose_n the_o first_o that_o our_o saviour_n leave_v s._n peter_n unto_o we_o as_o the_o vicar_n or_o substitute_n of_o his_o love_n that_o be_v to_o say_v to_o succeed_v he_o in_o that_o fatherly_a love_n &_o care_n of_o his_o church_n which_o he_o himself_o have_v the_o second_o that_o when_o our_o saviour_n give_v to_o s._n peter_n the_o pastoral_a commission_n and_o authority_n
the_o benefit_n of_o soul_n the_o public_a good_a of_o the_o church_n and_o god_n glory_n whereof_o i_o have_v give_v sufficient_a reason_n in_o the_o first_o chapter_n of_o my_o sequent_a supplement_n 21._o therefore_o i_o will_v only_o say_v for_o the_o present_a that_o if_o the_o pope_n spiritual_a primacy_n may_v for_o this_o cause_n be_v call_v a_o temporal_a primacy_n pastor_n then_o may_v m._n andrews_n who_o take_v himself_o to_o be_v a_o bishop_n and_o a_o spiritual_a pastor_n be_v just_o call_v and_o nickname_v a_o corporal_a bishop_n and_o a_o pecuniary_a pastor_n because_o he_o do_v punish_v man_n sometime_o in_o his_o spiritual_a court_n not_o only_o in_o their_o body_n but_o also_o in_o their_o purse_n and_o if_o he_o will_v think_v he_o absurd_a who_o shall_v so_o style_v and_o intytle_n he_o he_o be_v no_o less_o absurd_a himself_o in_o call_v the_o pope_n primacy_n for_o the_o like_a reason_n a_o temporal_a primacy_n and_o although_o neither_o s._n augustine_n nor_o s._n cyril_n do_v in_o the_o place_n cite_v by_o m._n andrews_n speak_v of_o any_o such_o extension_n of_o spiritual_a power_n to_o temporal_a matter_n whereof_o they_o have_v no_o occasion_n to_o treat_v yet_o it_o suffice_v that_o they_o do_v not_o deny_v it_o yea_o and_o that_o they_o do_v both_o of_o they_o sufficient_o teach_v there_o the_o spiritual_a primacy_n of_o s._n peter_n whereof_o the_o other_o be_v a_o necessary_a consequent_a 22._o s._n augustine_n in_o that_o very_a treatise_n whereto_o m._n andrews_n appeal_v i_o mean_v upon_o the_o gospel_n of_o s._n john_n and_o the_o last_o chapter_n have_v that_o express_a doctrine_n and_o those_o very_a word_n which_o i_o cite_v a_o little_a before_o andrews_n concern_v the_o person_n and_o figure_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n represent_v in_o s._n peter_n propter_fw-la apostolatus_fw-la svi_fw-la primatum_fw-la by_o reason_n of_o the_o primacy_n of_o his_o apostleship_n or_o as_o he_o say_v else_o where_o propter_fw-la primatum_fw-la quem_fw-la in_o discipulis_fw-la habuit_fw-la for_o the_o primacy_n which_o he_o have_v among_o the_o disciple_n for_o which_o cause_n he_o call_v he_o also_o twice_o in_o the_o same_o place_n primum_fw-la apostolorum_fw-la the_o chief_a apostle_n and_o say_v that_o the_o church_n receive_v the_o key_n in_o he_o which_o as_o i_o have_v show_v do_v evident_o prove_v he_o to_o be_v head_n and_o supreme_a pastor_n of_o the_o church_n 108._o whereof_o only_o he_o and_o no_o other_o of_o the_o apostle_n be_v say_v to_o represent_v the_o person_n and_o figure_n so_o that_o s._n augustine_n sufficient_o acknowledge_v s._n peter_n spiritual_a supremacy_n in_o the_o place_n allege_v by_o m._n andrew_n 23._o the_o like_a do_v s._n cyril_n also_o in_o his_o commentary_n upon_o s._n johns_n gospel_n joan._n and_o in_o the_o same_o place_n which_o m._n andrew_n cite_v for_o there_o he_o call_v s._n peter_n express_o prince_n and_o head_n of_o the_o apostle_n say_v ut_fw-la 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nothing_o else_o that_o because_o peter_n have_v deny_v his_o lord_n not_o once_o but_o thrice_o he_o be_v ask_v concern_v love_n not_o once_o but_o thrice_o and_o so_o when_o he_o have_v abolish_v his_o triple_a negation_n with_o his_o triple_a confession_n he_o be_v restore_v to_o the_o place_n or_o degree_n of_o apostleship_n from_o the_o which_o he_o be_v fall_v for_o touch_v the_o primacy_n they_o be_v altogether_o silent_a thus_o say_v m._n andrews_n 24._o wherein_o it_o be_v to_o be_v note_v that_o whereas_o he_o say_v that_o these_o father_n see_v only_o this_o which_o he_o here_o set_v down_o nec_fw-la praeterea_fw-la quid_fw-la and_o nothing_o else_o it_o be_v evident_o false_a for_o two_o respect_n the_o one_o for_o that_o they_o see_v more_o than_o he_o mention_v yea_o more_o than_o he_o list_v to_o see_v to_o wit_n the_o primacy_n of_o s._n peter_n as_o i_o have_v show_v out_o of_o they_o both_o the_o other_o be_v because_o they_o see_v not_o that_o which_o he_o affirm_v in_o their_o behalf_n i_o mean_v that_o s._n peter_n be_v by_o those_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n restore_v to_o his_o place_n in_o the_o apostleship_n which_o he_o have_v lose_v for_o if_o they_o shall_v have_v say_v so_o heresy_n they_o shall_v seem_v to_o hold_v or_o favour_n at_o least_o the_o pernicious_a heresy_n of_o wycliffe_n that_o magistrate_n lose_v their_o dignity_n and_o authority_n by_o mortal_a sin_n which_o pestiferous_a opinion_n those_o holy_a father_n no_o doubt_n will_v have_v abhor_v if_o it_o have_v be_v set_v abroach_o or_o teach_v by_o any_o in_o their_o time_n see_v that_o it_o shake_v the_o very_a foundation_n of_o all_o obedience_n either_o to_o civil_a or_o ecclesiastical_a magistrate_n because_o it_o do_v not_o only_o make_v all_o obedience_n uncertain_a for_o no_o man_n know_v who_o be_v in_o the_o state_n of_o grace_n but_o also_o give_v occasion_n to_o subject_n upon_o every_o offence_n of_o their_o prince_n to_o call_v his_o authority_n in_o question_n 25._o therefore_o to_o the_o end_n thou_o may_v good_a reader_n know_v as_o well_o the_o integrity_n of_o these_o father_n in_o this_o point_n andrews_n as_o m._n andrews_n his_o fraud_n and_o bad_a conscience_n in_o allege_v they_o thou_o shall_v understand_v that_o s._n augustine_n say_v nothing_o at_o all_o that_o may_v be_v so_o much_o as_o wrest_v to_o any_o such_o sense_n in_o that_o place_n 50._o and_o do_v elsewhere_o express_o teach_v the_o contrary_a as_o when_o he_o say_v apostle_n &_o again_o a_o little_a after_o when_o peter_n the_o apostle_n deny_v our_o saviour_n and_o weep_v and_o remain_v still_o a_o apostle_n he_o have_v not_o yet_o receive_v the_o holy_a ghost_n thus_o say_v s._n augustine_n and_o can_v he_o teach_v a_o doctrine_n more_o contrary_a to_o that_o which_o m._n andrews_n fatâ—ereth_v upon_o he_o 26._o let_v we_o now_o see_v how_o he_o handle_v s._n cyril_n andrews_n upon_o who_o it_o may_v be_v he_o principal_o rely_v for_o this_o matter_n for_o indeed_o that_o holy_a father_n say_v somewhat_o concern_v the_o same_o though_o far_o otherwise_o then_o m._n andrews_n will_v make_v his_o reader_n believe_v for_o thus_o say_v s._n cyril_n supra_fw-la dixit_fw-la pasce_fw-la agnos_fw-la meos_fw-la apostolatus_fw-la sibi_fw-la renovans_fw-la dignitatem_fw-la ne_fw-la propter_fw-la negationem_fw-la quae_fw-la humana_fw-la infirmitate_fw-la accidit_fw-la labefactata_fw-la videretur_fw-la he_o to_o wit_n our_o saviour_n say_v to_o peter_n feed_v my_o lamb_n renew_v to_o he_o his_o dignity_n of_o the_o apostleship_n lest_o it_o may_v seem_v to_o have_v be_v decay_v by_o his_o denial_n which_o happen_v by_o humane_a infirmity_n thus_o far_o s._n cyril_n who_o you_o see_v neither_o say_v nor_o mean_v that_o s._n peter_n fall_v from_o his_o apostleship_n by_o his_o denial_n of_o christ_n but_o rather_o signify_v the_o contrary_a to_o wit_n that_o christ_n will_v not_o have_v it_o so_o much_o as_o to_o seem_v or_o be_v suppose_v that_o he_o have_v lose_v his_o dignity_n by_o his_o fall_n and_o therefore_o renew_v it_o by_o that_o new_a and_o express_v commission_n ne_fw-la labefactata_fw-la videretur_fw-la lest_o it_o shall_v seem_v to_o have_v be_v decay_v or_o lose_v 27._o wherein_o also_o it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v that_o the_o dignity_n whereof_o s._n cyril_n speak_v be_v not_o the_o bare_a office_n or_o degree_n of_o a_o apostle_n but_o that_o which_o be_v peculiar_a and_o proper_a to_o s._n peter_n and_o so_o acknowledge_v by_o s._n cyril_n himself_o a_o little_a before_o in_o the_o same_o chapter_n when_o he_o term_v he_o principem_fw-la &_o caput_fw-la ceterorum_fw-la the_o prince_n and_o head_n of_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n as_o also_o s._n augustine_n as_o you_o have_v hear_v call_v it_o primatum_fw-la &_o principatum_fw-la apostolatus_fw-la the_o primacy_n and_o principality_n of_o the_o apostleship_n and_o therefore_o i_o say_v the_o dignity_n which_o according_a to_o s._n cyrils_n doctrine_n our_o saviour_n renew_v
etc._n etc._n thus_o say_v the_o cardinal_n and_o after_o have_v lay_v down_o s._n cyprian_n word_n allege_v by_o s._n augustine_n be_v the_o same_o that_o you_o have_v hear_v before_o he_o add_v the_o word_n of_o s._n augustine_n which_o be_v these_o ecce_fw-la ubi_fw-la commemorate_fw-la cyprianus_n etc._n etc._n behold_v how_o cyprian_n do_v show_v that_o peter_n the_o apostle_n in_o who_o the_o primacy_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v preeminent_a with_o such_o a_o excellent_a grace_n correct_v by_o paul_n a_o late_a apostle_n when_o he_o deal_v concern_v circumcision_n otherways_o then_o truth_n require_v so_o say_v s._n augustin_n whereby_o it_o evident_o appear_v how_o he_o understand_v s._n cyprian_n in_o this_o place_n to_o wit_n that_o albeit_o peter_n be_v preeminent_a and_o far_o excel_v the_o apostle_n by_o reason_n of_o his_o primacy_n yet_o when_o he_o err_v he_o patient_o suffer_v himself_o to_o be_v correct_v by_o paul_n and_o do_v not_o insolent_o and_o arrogant_o defend_v his_o error_n stand_v upon_o the_o authority_n of_o his_o primacy_n and_o challenge_v obedience_n of_o s._n paul_n and_o other_o 15._o this_o then_o be_v so_o and_o the_o cardinal_n opinion_n concern_v the_o meaning_n of_o s._n cyprian_n in_o this_o place_n be_v so_o â—ell_o fortify_v imputation_n as_o you_o have_v now_o hear_v by_o s._n augustine_n construction_n and_o judgement_n thereof_o what_o reason_n have_v any_o man_n to_o think_v that_o the_o cardinal_n do_v as_o m._n andrews_n charge_v he_o purposely_o and_o crafty_o suppress_v those_o word_n of_o s._n cyprian_n as_o not_o make_v for_o peter_n primacy_n whereas_o you_o see_v he_o take_v they_o to_o make_v much_o for_o it_o and_o do_v urge_v they_o notable_o to_o prove_v it_o therefore_o can_v any_o reasonable_a man_n imagine_v any_o fraud_n in_o the_o cardinal_n or_o any_o other_o cause_n why_o he_o do_v not_o eyte_n they_o in_o his_o apology_n but_o partly_o for_o brevitye_n sake_n which_o every_o may_v seethe_v how_o much_o he_o affect_v in_o all_o his_o work_n and_o partly_o because_o he_o think_v he_o have_v allege_v sufficient_a already_o out_o of_o that_o father_n to_o prove_v his_o intent_n 16._o so_o that_o whereas_o m._n andrews_n say_v ea_fw-la cypriani_fw-la mens_fw-la videtur_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o mind_n or_o sense_n of_o cyprian_a seem_v to_o be_v that_o if_o peter_n have_v say_v he_o have_v the_o primacy_n he_o have_v insolent_o challenge_v somewhat_o to_o himself_o that_o be_v to_o say_v more_o than_o be_v due_a unto_o he_o he_o do_v very_o well_o to_o say_v videtur_fw-la it_o seem_v for_o if_o he_o have_v absolute_o affirm_v it_o he_o have_v overlash_v very_o far_o beside_o that_o he_o may_v learn_v if_o it_o please_v he_o to_o make_v a_o great_a difference_n betwixt_o insolent_a true_o and_o â—also_fw-la insolent_o and_o false_o for_o a_o man_n may_v take_v upon_o he_o a_o true_a authority_n and_o speak_v of_o it_o insolent_o that_o be_v to_o say_v without_o just_a cause_n or_o in_o defence_n of_o some_o evil_a act_n and_o yet_o not_o false_o because_o it_o be_v true_a that_o he_o have_v the_o authority_n which_o he_o pretend_v and_o therefore_o i_o say_v that_o if_o s._n peter_n shall_v have_v stand_v upon_o his_o primacy_n in_o defence_n of_o his_o erroneous_a act_n and_o say_v that_o s._n paul_n ought_v to_o follow_v and_o obey_v he_o therein_o because_o he_o be_v the_o primate_n and_o head_n of_o the_o apostlesâ—_n he_o have_v both_o say_v and_o do_v insolent_o which_o nevertheless_o in_o defence_n of_o a_o truth_n or_o upon_o some_o other_o just_a occasion_n he_o may_v both_o say_v and_o do_v without_o all_o note_n of_o insolency_n yea_o just_o and_o necessary_o because_o he_o have_v indeed_o the_o primacy_n and_o therefore_o be_v to_o be_v obey_v and_o follow_v in_o all_o good_a and_o just_a action_n 17._o but_o now_o m._n andrews_n go_v forward_o and_o whereas_o the_o cardinal_n conclude_v that_o peter_n be_v the_o foundation_n of_o the_o church_n be_v therefore_o the_o head_n of_o it_o supr_n m._n andrews_n grant_v cyprian_n that_o s._n peter_n be_v fundamentum_fw-la quidem_fw-la unum_fw-la sed_fw-la non_fw-la unicum_fw-la one_o but_o not_o the_o only_a foundation_n esse_fw-la enim_fw-la illiusce_fw-la aedificij_fw-la duodecem_fw-la fundamenta_fw-la for_o that_o there_o be_v twelve_o foundation_n of_o that_o build_n but_o m._n andrews_n be_v here_o short_a of_o his_o account_n for_o he_o shall_v rather_o have_v say_v that_o there_o be_v thirteen_o except_o he_o will_v exclude_v christ_n of_o who_o the_o apostle_n say_v fundamentum_fw-la aliud_fw-la nemo_fw-la potest_fw-la ponere_fw-la etc._n etc._n no_o man_n can_v lay_v any_o other_o foundation_n then_o that_o which_o be_v already_o lay_v 3._o jesus_n christ_n of_o who_o also_o the_o prophet_n say_v ecce_fw-la ego_fw-la ponam_fw-la in_o fundamentis_fw-la zion_n lapidem_fw-la etc._n etc._n 28._o behold_v i_o will_v lay_v a_o stone_n in_o the_o foundation_n of_o zion_n a_o approve_a stone_n a_o corner_n and_o precious_a stone_n found_v in_o the_o foundation_n etc._n etc._n 18._o and_o this_o i_o be_o sure_a m._n andrews_n will_v not_o deny_v see_v that_o it_o be_v one_o of_o the_o most_o special_a argument_n whereby_o his_o fellow_n be_v wont_a to_o exclude_v s._n peter_n from_o be_v the_o foundation_n of_o the_o church_n to_o wit_n because_o christ_n be_v the_o foundation_n of_o it_o if_o therefore_o m._n andrews_n will_v admit_v twelve_o foundation_n of_o the_o church_n without_o prejudice_n to_o christ_n he_o may_v also_o admit_v eleven_o without_o prejudice_n to_o peter_n for_o albeit_o the_o twelve_o apostle_n be_v all_o found_v upon_o christ_n who_o be_v the_o first_o and_o principal_a stone_n yet_o peter_n may_v have_v the_o first_o place_n in_o the_o foundation_n next_o after_o christ_n be_v immediate_o found_v on_o he_o as_o head_n and_o ordinary_a pastor_n of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o rest_n upon_o peter_n as_o extraordinary_a and_o subordinate_a to_o he_o beside_o that_o peter_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v call_v foundation_n in_o different_a manner_n as_o i_o will_v declare_v 2d_o more_o particular_o in_o the_o discussion_n of_o m._n andrews_n his_o answer_n to_o the_o place_n of_o s._n hierome_n 19_o and_o now_o to_o conclude_v concern_v s._n cyprian_n whereas_o the_o cardinal_n argue_v upon_o his_o word_n that_o because_o s._n peter_n be_v the_o foundation_n of_o the_o church_n he_o be_v therefore_o the_o head_n thereof_o in_o respect_n that_o the_o head_n in_o a_o body_n head_n and_o the_o foundation_n in_o a_o building_n be_v all_o one_o m._n andrews_n answer_v thus_o vix_fw-la illuc_fw-la usquequaque_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o be_v scant_o true_a every_o way_n for_o i_o do_v show_v the_o cardinal_n a_o building_n whereof_o there_o be_v twelve_o foundation_n but_o hardly_o can_v the_o cardinal_n show_v i_o one_o body_n whereof_o there_o be_v twelve_o head_n so_o he_o very_o well_o to_o the_o purpose_n i_o assure_v you_o overthrow_v himself_o with_o his_o own_o answer_n for_o if_o that_o building_n which_o he_o say_v have_v twelve_o foundation_n be_v the_o church_n as_o indeed_o it_o be_v and_o so_o it_o appear_v by_o his_o quotation_n of_o the_o 24._o chapter_n of_o the_o apocalypse_n 24._o then_o may_v the_o cardinal_n very_o easy_o show_v he_o also_o a_o body_n that_o have_v twelve_o head_n even_o according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n and_o opinion_n of_o m._n andrews_n himself_o who_o can_v not_o deny_v but_o that_o the_o church_n be_v a_o body_n i_o mean_v such_o a_o body_n as_o here_o we_o treat_v of_o to_o wit_n not_o a_o natural_a but_o a_o mystical_a body_n neither_o can_v he_o deny_v that_o the_o apostle_n be_v head_n of_o that_o body_n see_v all_o of_o they_o have_v as_o m._n andrews_n still_o tell_v we_o the_o charge_n and_o government_n of_o the_o church_n alike_o and_o therefore_o be_v twelve_o governor_n they_o be_v also_o twelve_o head_n 20._o be_v it_o then_o so_o hard_a a_o matter_n for_o the_o cardinal_n to_o show_v he_o a_o body_n with_o twelve_o head_n nay_o which_o be_v more_o and_o touch_v more_o our_o case_n do_v not_o m._n andrews_n think_v it_o possible_a that_o such_o a_o body_n may_v have_v a_o hundred_o head_n head_n and_o all_o of_o they_o subordinate_a to_o one_o head_n what_o will_v he_o say_v of_o the_o state_n of_o venice_n will_v he_o deny_v that_o the_o senator_n who_o be_v many_o hundreth_n be_v head_n thereof_o or_o that_o they_o be_v subordinat_a to_o one_o doge_n or_o duke_n so_o that_o it_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v that_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o common_a wealth_n the_o senator_n be_v all_o head_n though_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o doge_fw-it they_o be_v but_o member_n subordinate_a to_o he_o and_o so_o in_o this_o spiritual_a building_n of_o the_o church_n or_o mystical_a body_n of_o christ_n though_o the_o
thereof_o though_o in_o the_o whole_a church_n which_o be_v to_o be_v propagate_v by_o they_o over_o the_o world_n the_o danger_n of_o schism_n be_v very_o great_a not_o only_o in_o their_o time_n but_o also_o much_o more_o afterward_o as_o i_o have_v signify_v 37._o before_o in_o which_o respect_n it_o be_v needful_a to_o be_v prevent_v by_o the_o institution_n of_o one_o head_n over_o the_o whole_a church_n hierome_n and_o therefore_o when_o s._n hierome_n answer_v jovinian_a say_v that_o s._n peter_n be_v make_v head_n of_o the_o apostle_n he_o mean_v that_o he_o be_v make_v head_n of_o the_o church_n which_o be_v represent_v in_o they_o as_o in_o the_o governor_n thereof_o for_o see_v that_o the_o objection_n of_o jovinian_a which_o s._n hierome_n answer_v concern_v the_o foundation_n of_o the_o church_n upon_o s._n peter_n his_o answer_n must_v needs_o also_o concern_v the_o same_o to_o which_o purpose_n it_o be_v to_o be_v consider_v that_o he_o deny_v not_o jovinian_n proposition_n as_o i_o have_v prove_v sâ—qu_fw-la before_o but_o explicate_v what_o be_v tâ—e_v meaning_n of_o super_fw-la petrâ—m_fw-la fundatur_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la signify_v that_o it_o mean_v nothing_o else_o in_o effect_n but_o that_o peter_n be_v make_v head_n of_o the_o apostle_n which_o be_v as_o much_o so_o say_v as_o that_o he_o be_v the_o foundation_n of_o the_o church_n or_o that_o the_o church_n be_v found_v upon_o he_o because_o as_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n say_v very_o well_o the_o foundation_n in_o a_o building_n and_o the_o head_n in_o a_o politycall_a or_o mystical_a body_n be_v all_o one_o so_o as_o s._n peter_n be_v make_v head_n of_o the_o apostle_n who_o represent_v the_o church_n as_o governor_n thereof_o he_o be_v consequent_o make_v the_o head_n and_o foundation_n of_o the_o church_n and_o this_o be_v so_o it_o appear_v that_o this_o place_n of_o s._n hierome_n be_v clear_a for_o we_o and_o direct_o prove_v that_o our_o saviour_n make_v s._n peter_n head_n of_o 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poterat_fw-la if_o there_o be_v any_o such_o for_o he_o himself_o confess_v that_o there_o be_v no_o mention_n therein_o at_o all_o of_o saint_n will_v he_o therefore_o allow_v we_o to_o infer_v hereupon_o that_o s._n ambrose_n do_v not_o believe_v eythere_o that_o saint_n do_v pray_v for_o we_o or_o that_o we_o may_v pray_v to_o god_n to_o be_v help_v by_o their_o intercession_n so_o shall_v this_o suppose_a book_n whereto_o he_o appeal_v condemn_v he_o no_o less_o in_o this_o point_n then_o we_o in_o the_o other_o 37._o and_o if_o i_o will_v be_v so_o absurd_a to_o argue_v as_o he_o do_v i_o may_v as_o probable_o say_v that_o s._n ambrose_n approve_v prayer_n to_o saint_n himself_o because_o he_o do_v not_o condemn_v it_o in_o his_o exposition_n of_o the_o pater_fw-la noster_fw-la where_o the_o place_n seem_v to_o invite_v he_o to_o teach_v that_o all_o prayer_n ought_v to_o be_v direct_v to_o god_n only_o if_o he_o have_v be_v of_o that_o opinion_n and_o have_v not_o allow_v 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believe_v that_o quae_fw-la intus_fw-la claritatem_fw-la dei_fw-la vident_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o soul_n which_o see_v into_o the_o light_n or_o brightness_n of_o god_n be_v ignorant_a of_o any_o thing_n that_o be_v abroad_o 33._o and_o again_o in_o another_o place_n quia_fw-la in_o illa_fw-la aeterna_fw-la haereditate_fw-la etc._n etc._n for_o as_o much_o as_o in_o that_o eternal_a inheritance_n all_o man_n do_v see_v god_n with_o a_o common_a clarity_n or_o brightness_n what_o be_v there_o which_o they_o can_v know_v who_o know_v he_o that_o know_v all_o thing_n thus_o say_v s._n gregory_n teach_v as_o you_o see_v that_o the_o saint_n in_o heaven_n know_v all_o thing_n in_o earth_n and_o yield_v the_o self_n same_o reason_n thereof_o which_o you_o have_v hear_v m._n andrews_n say_v be_v inaudita_fw-la patribus_fw-la never_o hear_v of_o among_o the_o father_n to_o wit_n that_o because_o they_o see_v and_o know_v god_n therefore_o they_o see_v and_o know_v all_o thing_n in_o he_o 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do_v know_v themâ—_n for_o if_o their_o desire_n shall_v not_o be_v satisfy_v they_o shall_v not_o be_v so_o happy_a and_o bless_a as_o the_o perfection_n of_o their_o beatitude_n do_v require_v beside_o that_o see_v almighty_a god_n do_v glorify_v they_o not_o only_o in_o heaven_n with_o the_o vision_n of_o his_o deity_n but_o also_o in_o earth_n with_o many_o miracle_n do_v at_o their_o monument_n as_o m._n andrews_n himself_o confess_v in_o his_o answer_n to_o a_o place_n of_o s._n basil_n it_o be_v absurd_a to_o think_v that_o they_o do_v not_o know_v as_o well_o the_o particular_a favour_n that_o god_n do_v to_o man_n for_o their_o fake_n verè_fw-la as_o also_o the_o honour_n and_o glory_n that_o redound_v thereof_o both_o to_o god_n and_o they_o without_o which_o knowledge_n their_o beatitude_n as_o i_o have_v say_v shall_v not_o be_v complete_a 23._o now_o then_o see_v that_o our_o doctrine_n that_o saint_n do_v hear_v prayer_n or_o understand_v our_o prayer_n be_v ground_v 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cause_n 24._o and_o therefore_o he_o have_v reason_n to_o seek_v some_o better_a reason_n andrews_n which_o he_o do_v seem_v to_o put_v the_o case_n that_o it_o be_v true_a yea_o most_o manifest_a that_o saint_n do_v hear_v our_o prayer_n yet_o ne_fw-la sic_fw-la quidem_fw-la say_v he_o audemus_fw-la vota_fw-la nostra_fw-la ad_fw-la illos_fw-la precesque_fw-la dirigere_fw-la we_o dare_v not_o for_o all_o that_o direct_v our_o vow_n verum_fw-la and_o prayer_n unto_o they_o and_o hereof_o he_o yield_v this_o reason_n cum_fw-la praeceptum_fw-la â—a_n de_fw-mi re_fw-mi nullum_fw-la acceperimus_fw-la praeceptum_fw-la autem_fw-la acceperimus_fw-la in_o lege_fw-la disertis_fw-la verbis_fw-la 12._o quod_fw-la tibi_fw-la praecepero_fw-la hoc_fw-la tantùm_fw-la facies_fw-la we_o dare_v not_o say_v he_o pray_v unto_o they_o because_o we_o have_v receive_v no_o precept_n concern_v that_o point_n scripture_n but_o have_v receive_v a_o precept_n in_o the_o law_n in_o express_a word_n what_o i_o 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church_n presbytery_n subject_n to_o the_o church_n submit_v their_o sceptre_n to_o the_o church_n and_o throw_v down_o their_o crown_n before_o the_o church_n and_o that_o as_o beza_n testify_v they_o can_v be_v exempt_v from_o this_o divine_a domination_n of_o the_o presbytery_n whereupon_o i_o gather_v two_o thing_n the_o one_o that_o the_o supremacy_n which_o as_o m._n andrews_n say_v the_o puritan_n do_v acknowledge_v in_o the_o king_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v only_o in_o temporal_a matter_n wherein_o they_o do_v indeed_o admit_v he_o to_o be_v their_o supreme_a head_n and_o governor_n though_o as_o you_o see_v in_o m._n rogers_n they_o hold_v he_o in_o spiritual_a matter_n to_o be_v whole_o subject_a to_o the_o presbytery_n the_o other_o be_v that_o all_o the_o reform_a church_n be_v also_o of_o the_o same_o mind_n see_v that_o they_o profess_v the_o same_o doctrine_n concern_v the_o king_n ecclesiastical_a supremacy_n that_o the_o puritan_n do_v as_o m._n andrews_n himself_o confessethâ—_n whereupon_o it_o also_o follow_v that_o the_o king_n majesty_n have_v no_o spiritual_a power_n or_o authority_n at_o all_o over_o the_o english_a church_n see_v that_o by_o m._n andrew_n his_o own_o confession_n he_o have_v no_o other_o power_n but_o that_o which_o the_o puritan_n and_o the_o reform_a church_n do_v admit_v in_o their_o temporal_a prince_n 66._o beside_o that_o albeit_o we_o shall_v grant_v that_o the_o puritan_n and_o reform_v church_n do_v allow_v the_o temporal_a magistrate_n to_o have_v some_o power_n and_o authority_n in_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n yet_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o they_o do_v not_o allow_v they_o that_o spiritual_a jurisdiction_n and_o authority_n king_n which_o our_o parliament_n have_v grant_v to_o our_o king_n to_o wit_n that_o all_o the_o spiritual_a power_n of_o the_o church_n shall_v reside_v principal_o in_o they_o and_o be_v to_o be_v deduce_v from_o they_o to_o the_o church_n as_o from_o the_o head_n to_o the_o body_n &_o that_o they_o may_v give_v dispensation_n licence_n and_o faculty_n in_o matter_n of_o conscience_n make_v ecclesiastical_a law_n give_v commission_n to_o consecrate_v bishop_n to_o excommunicate_a interdict_v suspend_v censure_n to_o visit_v &_o correct_v all_o ecclesiastical_a person_n and_o to_o reform_v all_o heresye_n and_o abuse_n this_o i_o say_v be_v a_o mere_a spiritual_a power_n and_o exercise_v by_o our_o king_n in_o england_n according_a to_o the_o grant_n of_o the_o parliament_n be_v not_o admit_v and_o much_o less_o practise_v in_o any_o of_o the_o reform_a church_n spiritual_a as_o all_o those_o know_v who_o know_v any_o thing_n of_o their_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n 67._o therefore_o whereas_o m._n andrews_n say_v that_o aswell_o the_o reform_a church_n as_o the_o puritan_n do_v grant_v the_o self_n same_o authority_n to_o the_o temporal_a prince_n which_o our_o king_n have_v and_o exercise_v in_o england_n he_o show_v evident_o that_o in_o his_o opinion_n his_o majesty_n have_v no_o such_o spiritual_a jurisdiction_n and_o authority_n as_o have_v be_v grant_v he_o by_o our_o parliament_n for_o that_o as_o i_o have_v say_v the_o puritan_n &_o reform_a church_n who_o doctrine_n in_o this_o point_n he_o approve_v do_v not_o acknowledge_v any_o such_o spiritual_a authority_n in_o temporal_a prince_n but_o only_o a_o temporal_a power_n and_o obligation_n to_o maintain_v and_o defend_v the_o church_n so_o far_o forth_o as_o the_o same_o have_v need_n of_o external_a and_o humane_a help_n assistance_n or_o defence_n which_o be_v indeed_o the_o self_n same_o &_o all_o that_o m._n andrew_n as_o you_o have_v hear_v 47._o before_o allow_v to_o the_o king_n majesty_n when_o he_o say_v that_o he_o be_v no_o otherwise_o over_o the_o church_n but_o as_o a_o foster-father_n &_o a_o tutor_n to_o nourish_v and_o defend_v it_o and_o that_o the_o question_n of_o the_o king_n ecclesiastical_a supremacy_n concern_v 37._o only_o the_o external_a government_n of_o the_o church_n puritan_n so_o far_o forth_o as_o it_o require_v and_o admit_v humane_a help_n and_o authority_n so_o that_o you_o see_v m._n andrews_n be_v not_o in_o this_o point_n a_o english_a protestant_n but_o rather_o a_o flat_a puritan_n 68_o and_o if_o this_o be_v now_o the_o common_a opinion_n of_o the_o protestant_n in_o england_n as_o m._n andrew_n will_v have_v we_o to_o suppose_v we_o may_v more_o true_o say_v of_o they_o prince_n than_o he_o say_v of_o the_o puritan_n dies_fw-la diem_fw-la docuit_fw-la &_o ex_fw-la eo_fw-la facti_fw-la aequiores_fw-la recognoverunt_fw-la errorem_fw-la suum_fw-la time_n have_v teach_v they_o more_o wit_n and_o so_o now_o they_o have_v recant_v their_o error_n and_o no_o marvel_n see_v that_o their_o former_a doctrine_n be_v of_o itself_o so_o absurd_a &_o have_v be_v so_o canuass_v &_o batter_v by_o catholic_n that_o they_o be_v worthy_o ashamed_a of_o it_o especial_o such_o of_o they_o as_o have_v any_o learning_n or_o shame_n at_o all_o for_o some_o no_o doubt_n there_o be_v of_o the_o ministry_n that_o will_v not_o stick_v to_o defend_v it_o or_o any_o thing_n else_o how_o absurd_a soever_o it_o be_v among_o who_o m._n barlow_n may_v go_v for_o one_o who_o in_o his_o preambler_n epistle_n to_o the_o minister_n of_o scotland_n which_o i_o have_v mention_v before_o upon_o another_o occasion_n be_v not_o ashamed_a to_o make_v the_o pagan_a 77._o and_o infidel_n emperor_n supreme_a head_n of_o the_o church_n in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o apostle_n say_v that_o s._n paul_n appeal_v to_o caesar_n judgement_n as_o the_o supreme_a whereas_o papist_n and_o puritan_n will_v have_v the_o king_n to_o be_v but_o a_o honourable_a member_n not_o a_o chief_a governor_n in_o the_o church_n of_o his_o dominion_n so_o he_o 69._o wherein_o two_o thing_n be_v to_o be_v note_v the_o one_o that_o he_o do_v ridiculous_o make_v the_o pagan_a emperor_n the_o chief_a member_n that_o be_v to_o say_v the_o head_n or_o governor_n of_o the_o church_n who_o nevertheless_o be_v idolatour_n can_v not_o be_v so_o much_o as_o the_o mean_a member_n thereof_o the_o other_o that_o he_o seem_v to_o make_v the_o king_n majesty_n no_o other_o wise_a chief_a governor_n in_o the_o church_n than_o they_o be_v albeit_o i_o think_v he_o will_v not_o be_v so_o absurd_a as_o to_o acknowledge_v any_o spiritual_a authority_n in_o they_o be_v see_v they_o be_v altogether_o uncapable_a thereof_o be_v as_o i_o have_v say_v idolatour_n enemy_n and_o violent_a persecutor_n of_o the_o church_n and_o faith_n of_o christ._n so_o as_o hereby_o it_o appear_v that_o he_o also_o concur_v with_o m._n andrews_n to_o deprive_v his_o majesty_n of_o all_o the_o spiritual_a jurisdiction_n and_o authority_n which_o the_o parliament_n have_v grant_v to_o our_o king_n and_o that_o consequent_o they_o be_v both_o of_o they_o in_o one_o predicament_n of_o disloyalty_n towards_o his_o majesty_n and_o defection_n from_o the_o wont_a protestantisme_n of_o england_n in_o the_o point_n of_o the_o king_n ecclesiastical_a supremacy_n 70._o now_o then_o to_o conclude_v concern_v they_o both_o &_o all_o the_o premise_n thou_o have_v see_v good_a reader_n how_o well_o these_o two_o prelate_n of_o the_o english_a church_n do_v symbolize_v &_o agree_v not_o only_o in_o seek_v to_o delude_v their_o reader_n with_o divers_a lie_n fraudulent_a shift_n and_o device_n but_o also_o in_o betray_v their_o own_o cause_n and_o fortify_v we_o which_o be_v so_o evident_a in_o they_o both_o that_o they_o may_v well_o be_v account_v the_o most_o harmless_a or_o rather_o the_o most_o propitious_a enemy_n that_o ever_o the_o catholic_n have_v and_o therefore_o may_v in_o some_o sort_n be_v compare_v to_o the_o scorpion_n which_o be_v a_o most_o venomous_a serpent_n why_o yield_v a_o sufficient_a remedy_n against_o his_o own_o poison_n and_o so_o do_v they_o for_o albeit_o they_o be_v replenish_v with_o venom_n and_o malignity_n yea_o and_o sting_v sometime_o most_o malicious_o not_o with_o solid_a argument_n but_o with_o spiteful_a gibe_n and_o contumelious_a jest_n yet_o their_o malice_n do_v common_o carry_v with_o it_o the_o remedy_n of_o itself_o be_v for_o the_o most_o part_n so_o manifest_a and_o accompany_v with_o such_o apparent_a falsehood_n and_o evident_a folly_n that_o no_o man_n of_o learning_n and_o consideration_n can_v receive_v any_o harm_n thereby_o but_o rather_o great_a benefit_n by_o the_o discovery_n of_o their_o imbecility_n &_o the_o weakness_n of_o their_o causeâ—_n see_v they_o can_v otherwise_o defend_v it_o then_o by_o such_o contumelious_a and_o malicious_a proceed_n 71._o insomuch_o that_o the_o learned_a stranger_n who_o read_v m._n andrew_n his_o book_n in_o latin_a bellarmine_n and_o do_v consider_v withal_o the_o special_a choice_n that_o the_o english_a clergy_n have_v make_v of_o he_o to_o maintain_v the_o combat_n against_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n in_o the_o eye_n and_o view_v of_o the_o christian_a world_n do_v
no_o man_n can_v doubt_v but_o that_o those_o father_n do_v therein_o exercise_v act_n of_o pure_a devotion_n as_o you_o see_v s._n gregory_n nyssen_n do_v according_a to_o the_o belief_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n at_o that_o time_n which_o be_v evident_a by_o the_o testimony_n that_o you_o have_v hear_v already_o and_o will_v be_v much_o more_o manifest_a by_o those_o that_o yet_o rest_v to_o be_v examine_v and_o this_o shall_v suffice_v for_o this_o point_n 16._o the_o next_o place_n that_o he_o take_v in_o hand_n to_o answer_v be_v one_o of_o s._n ambrose_n in_o these_o word_n 15._o obsecrandi_fw-la sunt_fw-la angeli_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o angel_n which_o be_v give_v we_o for_o guardian_n and_o defender_n be_v to_o be_v pray_v unto_o and_o the_o martyr_n in_o like_a manner_n who_o protection_n we_o seem_v to_o challenge_v by_o have_v their_o body_n in_o pledge_n they_o may_v pray_v for_o our_o sin_n andrews_n who_o with_o their_o own_o blood_n have_v wash_v away_o their_o own_o sin_n if_o they_o have_v any_o 〈◊〉_d say_v s._n ambrose_n whereto_o m._n andrew_n answer_v that_o the_o cardinal_n may_v very_o well_o have_v forbear_v to_o produce_v this_o place_n and_o not_o have_v cite_v it_o so_o greedy_o as_o he_o have_v do_v but_o that_o he_o little_o care_v say_v he_o as_o it_o seem_v that_o the_o blood_n of_o christ_n shall_v be_v hold_v for_o superfluous_a potâ—rat_fw-mi rather_o than_o he_o will_v not_o pray_v to_o saint_n for_o superfluus_fw-la certè_fw-la sanguis_fw-la christi_fw-la etc._n etc._n true_o the_o blood_n of_o christ_n be_v superfluous_a if_o martyr_n can_v wash_v away_o their_o sin_n with_o their_o own_o blood_n so_o he_o 17._o whereupon_o he_o also_o infer_v that_o the_o reader_n may_v preceive_v hereby_o that_o ambrose_n write_v this_o when_o he_o be_v but_o a_o novice_n in_o chistian_n religion_n and_o that_o it_o be_v no_o marvel_n if_o he_o say_v that_o martyr_n be_v to_o be_v pray_v unto_o see_v he_o teachethâ—_n that_o they_o have_v wash_v their_o sin_n with_o their_o own_o blood_n wherein_o appear_v the_o modesty_n of_o m._n andrews_n and_o his_o good_a spirit_n who_o rather_o than_o he_o will_v acknowledge_v his_o own_o error_n which_o be_v evident_o convince_v by_o this_o place_n charge_v this_o holy_a father_n with_o the_o most_o execrable_a and_o blasphemous_a doctrine_n that_o can_v be_v imagine_v as_o to_o teach_v that_o the_o blood_n of_o christ_n be_v superfluous_a which_o any_o christian_a hart_n will_v abbore_n to_o hear_v and_o much_o more_o to_o hold_v and_o teach_v see_v that_o it_o must_v needs_o follow_v thereupon_o that_o all_o christian_a religion_n and_o belief_n be_v in_o vain_a be_v all_o ground_a upon_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n passion_n and_o his_o precious_a blood_n shed_v for_o us._n father_n 18._o and_o true_o if_o s._n ambrose_n may_v be_v charge_v with_o this_o blasphemous_a opinion_n for_o the_o cause_n which_o m._n andrew_n allege_v than_o all_o the_o father_n of_o god_n church_n yea_o the_o apostle_n themselves_o may_v in_o like_a manner_n be_v charge_v therewith_o for_o all_o of_o they_o say_v as_o much_o in_o effect_n as_o s._n ambrose_n do_v which_o also_o may_v by_o some_o perverse_a and_o heretical_a â—rayne_n be_v wrest_v to_o the_o same_o perverse_a sense_n albeit_o to_o those_o who_o do_v consider_v the_o ground_n of_o their_o doctrine_n and_o belief_n the_o contrary_a be_v evident_a for_o who_o know_v not_o if_o malice_n do_v not_o blynd-fold_n and_o whole_o pervert_v his_o understanding_n that_o when_o in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n and_o father_n any_o merit_n sufficiency_n or_o cooperation_n to_o salvation_n be_v attribute_v to_o a_o man_n or_o to_o his_o faith_n work_n or_o any_o endeavour_n of_o he_o the_o same_o be_v understand_v to_o proceed_v principal_o from_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n passion_n which_o be_v the_o cause_n ground_n and_o foundation_n of_o all_o grace_n goodness_n and_o merit_n in_o man_n and_o therefore_o be_v always_o suppose_a and_o necessary_o understand_v in_o all_o such_o manner_n of_o speech_n as_o this_o of_o s._n ambrose_n though_o it_o be_v not_o express_v julian._n 19_o as_o when_o we_o read_v in_o s._n gregory_n nazianzen_n that_o certain_a christian_a soldier_n have_v commit_v idolatry_n exhort_v one_o another_o ut_fw-la christo_fw-la satisfacerent_fw-la sanguine_fw-la svo_fw-la to_o satisfy_v christ_n with_o their_o blood_n and_o in_o s._n cyprian_a 2._o omne_fw-la peccata_fw-la passione_n purgare_fw-la to_o purge_v all_o sin_n by_o passion_n or_o suffer_v and_o again_o in_o another_o place_n 3._o redimere_fw-la peccata_fw-la etc._n etc._n to_o redeem_v sin_n with_o just_a sorrow_n and_o satisfaction_n and_o to_o wassh_v the_o wound_n of_o sin_n with_o tear_n 14._o also_o in_o the_o same_o father_n deo_fw-la precibus_fw-la &_o operibus_fw-la satisfaccre_fw-la to_o satisfy_v god_n with_o prayer_n and_o work_n eleemos_fw-la and_o sordes_fw-la eleemosynis_fw-la abluere_fw-la to_o wash_v away_o the_o filth_n of_o sin_n with_o alm_n and_o in_o origen_n poenitendo_fw-la flendo_fw-la satisfaciendo_fw-la delere_fw-la quod_fw-la admissum_fw-la est_fw-la to_o abolish_v exod_n or_o blot_v out_o that_o which_o have_v be_v commit_v with_o repentance_n weep_v and_o satisfaction_n also_o in_o tertullian_n 6._o that_o the_o sinner_n have_v cui_fw-la satisfaciat_fw-la to_o who_o he_o may_v give_v satisfaction_n and_o that_o god_n do_v offer_v we_o impunitatem_fw-la poenitentiae_fw-la compensatione_fw-la redimendam_fw-la impunity_n or_o remission_n of_o punishment_n to_o be_v redeem_v with_o the_o recompense_n of_o penance_n 20._o we_o read_v also_o in_o irenaeus_n that_o our_o good_n or_o substance_n be_v give_v to_o the_o poor_a sine_fw-la solutionem_fw-la faciunt_fw-la praeteritae_fw-la cupiditatis_fw-la do_v cause_n solution_n or_o remission_n of_o our_o former_a covetousness_n also_o in_o s._n augustine_n that_o for_o daily_a and_o light_a sin_n quotidiana_fw-la oratio_fw-la fidelium_fw-la satisfacit_fw-la the_o daily_a prayer_n of_o the_o faithful_a do_v satisfy_v fine_a and_o in_o s._n hilary_n that_o david_n facti_fw-la veteris_fw-la crimen_fw-la lacrymis_fw-la abluit_fw-la david_n wash_v away_o the_o fault_n of_o his_o old_a deed_n with_o tear_n in_o s._n chrysostome_n that_o s._n peter_n adeo_fw-la abluit_fw-la negationem_fw-la etc._n etc._n do_v so_o wash_v away_o his_o denial_n of_o christ_n with_o his_o tear_n or_o repentance_n that_o he_o be_v make_v the_o chief_a apostle_n and_o again_o in_o the_o same_o oration_n jud._n una_fw-la anima_fw-la quam_fw-la lucrati_fw-la fuerimus_fw-la etc._n etc._n one_o soul_n which_o we_o have_v gain_v may_v abolish_v the_o weight_n of_o innumerable_a sin_n animaeque_fw-la redimendâ—_n fieri_fw-la precium_fw-la in_o illo_fw-la die_fw-la and_o become_v a_o price_n to_o redeem_v our_o soul_n in_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n 2._o final_o to_o omit_v innumerable_a other_o place_n of_o the_o rest_n of_o 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