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and_o learned_a minister_n which_o do_v as_o he_o say_v agree_v in_o judgement_n and_o practice_n with_o he_o now_o before_o i_o come_v to_o lay_v down_o their_o particular_a allegation_n touch_v our_o point_n in_o controversy_n this_o i_o desire_v may_v be_v observe_v that_o it_o can_v be_v manifest_v as_o i_o be_o persuade_v that_o there_o be_v among_o they_o all_o one_o author_n which_o have_v in_o his_o commentary_n on_o the_o scripture_n teach_v the_o doctrine_n maintain_v by_o mr._n paget_n here_o against_o we_o it_o be_v true_a some_o of_o they_o grant_v to_o the_o eldership_n great_a authority_n other_o to_o the_o body_n of_o the_o congregation_n notwithstanding_o none_o have_v be_v so_o erroneous_a as_o to_o say_v that_o the_o whole_a church_n i_o mean_v officer_n and_o brethren_n want_v authority_n to_o perform_v in_o and_o for_o itself_o all_o church-service_n now_o for_o the_o author_n peter_n martyr_n 9_o martyr_n class_n ch_n 5._o sect_n 9_o in_o his_o common_a place_n 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&_o 13.22_o sybrandus_n 159_o sybrandus_n respon_n ad_fw-la hug._n p._n 159_o d._n mornaeus_n etc._n mornaeus_n hist_o pa._n 542._o etc._n etc._n morell_n 534._o morell_n tom._n 4._o fol._n 534._o tilenus_n 14_o tilenus_n respon_n ad_fw-la com._n la_fw-fr vat._n qu._n 8._o &_o epist_n 14_o etc._n etc._n all_o these_o i_o say_v do_v direct_o affirm_v the_o same_o thing_n viz._n that_o all_o particular_a visible_a church_n have_v full_a power_n to_o ordain_v and_o choose_v among_o themselves_o fit_a minister_n neither_o can_v it_o be_v gather_v to_o my_o knowledge_n anywhere_o in_o their_o writing_n that_o unto_o a_o full_a and_o complete_a call_n of_o church_n officer_n any_o more_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n and_o power_n be_v require_v then_o that_o which_o christ_n have_v set_v in_o every_o congregation_n distinct_o and_o apart_o to_o the_o same_o purpose_n they_o write_v about_o excommunication_n and_o the_o absolution_n or_o the_o reconciliation_n of_o the_o excommunicate_a those_o be_v action_n they_o say_v common_a to_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o not_o of_o any_o private_a person_n or_o person_n bastingius_n 85._o
viz._n ministers-must_a be_v choose_v with_o the_o free_a consent_n of_o the_o elder_n and_o the_o whole_a congregation_n by_o the_o like_a authority_n as_o they_o be_v elect_v they_o may_v be_v depose_v but_o nothing_o herein_o must_v be_v attempt_v without_o the_o determination_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n what_o those_o synod_n be_v of_o who_o mr._n paget_n speak_v in_o pag._n 66._o who_o decree_v that_o particular_a congregation_n shall_v not_o practice_v among_o themselves_o all_o god_n ordinance_n i_o do_v not_o yet_o know_v but_o this_o i_o know_v that_o no_o reform_a church_n have_v make_v this_o a_o article_n of_o their_o faith_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v certain_a if_o such_o a_o thing_n be_v it_o be_v only_o the_o invention_n of_o some_o particular_a man_n for_o conclusion_n now_o of_o this_o section_n howsoever_o i_o have_v alleidge_v the_o opinion_n of_o many_o learned_a man_n notwithstanding_o it_o be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n which_o i_o appeal_v unto_o for_o to_o have_v the_o matter_n in_o controversy_n betwixt_o we_o only_o try_v by_o and_o herein_o i_o do_v no_o more_o than_o other_o do_v which_o know_v they_o have_v the_o truth_n on_o their_o side_n namely_o to_o call_v their_o opposite_n unto_o the_o scripture_n and_o to_o require_v of_o they_o to_o stand_v unto_o the_o undeceiveable_a sentence_n and_o judgement_n thereof_o thus_o the_o protestant_n 1._o protestant_n d._n whita_n de_fw-fr cont_n qu._n 3_o c._n 3._o d._n morton_n apolo_n cath._n p._n 2._o l._n 1._o c._n 32._o sutclif_n def_n pont._n rom._n l._n 2._o c._n 9_o p._n 132._o b._n jew._n apo._n par_fw-fr 2._o c._n 5._o d._n 1._o do_v with_o the_o papist_n and_o the_o reformist_n rat_n reformist_n par._n pol._n eccl._n l._n 1._o c._n 24._o c_o dever_n eccl._n refor_o rat_n again_o with_o they_o and_o for_o this_o purpose_n have_v zanchy_a ‡_o a_o worthy_a speech_n in_o his_o writing_n unto_o d._n knoll_v all_o thing_n touch_v worship_n and_o discipline_n aught_o to_o be_v examine_v not_o by_o the_o uncertain_a rule_n of_o human_n judgement_n but_o by_o the_o touchstone_n of_o divine_a scripture_n section_n ix_o that_o those_o who_o have_v read_v mr._n pagets_n book_n may_v not_o think_v that_o i_o have_v purposely_o omit_v any_o thing_n his_o jest_n slander_n and_o unchristian_a term_n except_v which_o carry_v with_o it_o the_o show_n of_o any_o matter_n touch_v the_o main_a point_n in_o question_n i_o have_v think_v good_a in_o this_o section_n to_o set_v down_o some_o brief_a answer_n unto_o certain_a colourable_a or_o rather_o carnal_a pretence_n which_o he_o use_v in_o the_o defence_n of_o himself_o and_o cause_n his_o first_o reason_n be_v this_o if_o particular_a preface_n particular_a preface_n congregation_n shall_v not_o stand_v under_o any_o other_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o manifold_a disorder_n confusion_n and_o dissipation_n of_o church_n will_v follow_v answ_n 1._o when_o god_n have_v establish_v a_o order_n for_o the_o administration_n of_o his_o own_o house_n what_o presumption_n of_o man_n dare_v change_v it_o think_v he_o that_o he_o be_v wise_a than_o the_o almighty_a and_o can_v by_o his_o foolish_a way_n and_o devise_v bring_v more_o peace_n and_o profit_n to_o god_n house_n than_o the_o way_n of_o the_o all_o wise_a god_n but_o what_o will_v not_o dust_n and_o ash_n presume_v to_o do_v against_o his_o maker_n and_o that_o with_o show_n of_o conveniency_n and_o to_o correct_v and_o reform_v that_o which_o they_o conceive_v to_o be_v imperfect_a in_o his_o do_n but_o it_o seem_v in_o the_o mean_a time_n that_o these_o little_a consider_v how_o straight_o the_o lord_n have_v forbid_v such_o practice_n and_o what_o dreadful_a plague_n he_o threaten_v against_o man_n for_o it_o as_o mr._n paget_n therefore_o wish_v other_o to_o take_v heed_n what_o new_a form_n of_o church_n and_o church-gouvernment_a preface_n preface_n they_o frame_v unto_o themselves_o or_o command_v unto_o other_o so_o i_o desire_v that_o he_o himself_o will_v make_v a_o profitable_a use_n of_o his_o own_o counsel_n 2._o be_v it_o well_o consider_v that_o god_n always_o abhor_v all_o good_a intentes_fw-la of_o man_n that_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o good_a pleasure_n of_o his_o will_n reveal_v in_o his_o word_n the_o church_n say_v whitaker_n 16._o whitaker_n de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n count_v 4._o qu._n 1._o p._n 16._o must_v not_o be_v gouvern_v as_o the_o wit_n of_o man_n think_v fit_a but_o as_o christ_n the_o lord_n and_o king_n thereof_o will_v have_v it_o 3._o this_o objection_n take_v here_o up_o by_o mr._n paget_n be_v the_o very_a same_o which_o the_o papist_n and_o those_o that_o way_n affect_v use_v for_o to_o have_v ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n by_o presbyter_n reject_v and_o their_o own_o popish_a hierarchy_n everywhere_o receive_v and_o practise_v viz._n because_o the_o put_n by_o of_o the_o late_a tend_v etc._n tend_v sarav_fw-mi de_fw-mi tripli_v epis_fw-la in_o prologue_n sand._n the_o visibl_n monar_n l._n 5._o c._n 4._o scult_v hier._n anarc_n l._n 10._o c._n 20._o l._n 11.119.137_o etc._n etc._n unto_o all_o mischief_n and_o the_o establish_n of_o the_o former_a 164_o former_a whitg_n tract_n 3._o c._n 4_o div_o 4._o &_o divis_fw-la 8._o pag._n 169._o loe_o compl_a chu_n p._n 164_o cause_v uproar_n in_o the_o church_n dissipate_v it_o and_o overthrow_v all_o good_a order_n therein_o 4._o if_o particular_a congregation_n must_v loose_v their_o right_n and_o power_n because_o of_o the_o offence_n which_o some_o man_n have_v commit_v in_o the_o exercise_n thereof_o then_o sure_o by_o the_o same_o reason_n if_o mr._n pagets_n reason_n be_v worth_a any_o thing_n ought_v class_n and_o synod_n to_o lay_v down_o that_o superior_a authority_n which_o they_o have_v take_v over_o many_o church_n because_o they_o in_o many_o thing_n many_o time_n have_v offend_v in_o and_o about_o the_o execution_n and_o this_o i_o be_o sure_a no_o good_a christian_n will_v deny_v i_o can_v give_v divers_a instance_n for_o it_o but_o it_o need_v not_o only_o it_o be_v not_o amiss_o to_o set_v down_o nazianzen_n proc._n nazianzen_n epist_n 42._o ad_fw-la proc._n word_n who_o be_v a_o elder_a or_o bishop_n i_o be_o mind_v say_v he_o to_o shun_v all_o assembly_n of_o bishop_n because_o i_o never_o see_v any_o good_a event_n in_o any_o council_n that_o do_v not_o rather_o increase_v then_o diminish_v our_o evil_n their_o contention_n and_o ambition_n pass_v my_o speech_n whither_o thing_n be_v better_o carry_v now_o than_o they_o be_v in_o his_o time_n i_o will_v not_o nor_o be_o able_a to_o judge_v 5._o if_o the_o infirmity_n of_o the_o people_n be_v a_o good_a reason_n to_o take_v away_o their_o liberty_n in_o practise_v among_o themselves_o all_o god_n ordinance_n then_o the_o contrary_a virtue_n which_o oftentimes_o have_v be_v find_v in_o they_o as_o instay_v the_o rage_n of_o the_o scribe_n and_o pharisy_n 3.26_o pharisy_n mat._n 21.26_o act._n 3.26_o in_o prefer_v sincere_a christian_n before_o arrian_n 7._o arrian_n zezo_n l._n 7._o c._n 7._o and_o be_v themselves_o sound_a in_o the_o faith_n 7._o faith_n theod_n l._n 2._o cap._n 7._o when_o their_o minister_n have_v be_v heretic_n be_v a_o good_a reason_n to_o maintain_v their_o liberty_n still_o another_o thing_n which_o he_o talk_v much_o off_o 72._o pag._n 72._o be_v that_o the_o power_n which_o the_o classis_fw-la exercise_v be_v ancient_a and_o hence_o name_v it_o the_o old_a beat_a path_n 105._o pag._n 105._o etc._n etc._n answ_n 1._o sundry_a error_n be_v as_o ancient_a as_o the_o apostle_n time_n yea_o begin_v before_o the_o most_o famous_a church_n in_o the_o world_n be_v plant_v therefore_o as_o cyprian_n 63._o cyprian_n epist._n 63._o say_v we_o must_v not_o regard_v what_o any_o other_o do_v before_o we_o or_o think_v fit_a to_o be_v do_v but_o what_o christ_n do_v who_o be_v before_o all_o 2._o howsoever_o mr._n paget_n for_o the_o credit_n of_o his_o cause_n name_v it_o the_o 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