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A54407 Indulgence not justified being a continuation of the Discourse of toleration, in answer to the arguments of a late book entituled A peace-offering, or plea for indulgence, and to the cavils of another call'd The second discourse of the religion in England. Perrinchief, Richard, 1623?-1673. 1668 (1668) Wing P1594; ESTC R26874 40,846 54

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had spent their time of Exile in such forreign Churches as had followed the Platform of Geneva and those he reckons to be but five the Queens Professor in Oxford the Lady Margarets in Cambridge Whittingham Sampson and Hardiman Of which the two last were soon turn'd out again as incorrigible Non-Conformists the rest it seems did conform notwithstanding their Different Perswasions which was an evidence that they did not think the Ceremonies to be so contrary to a good Conscience that they were bound either to desert their Station in the Church and Ministry to Gods Glory or to disturb the Peace of Christs flock rather then observe those enjoyned Rites So also did those mentioned in the Letter to Mr. Hooker and therefore can be no Instances of Non-Conformity and of disturbing the Peace in the Church It is also true Calv. Ep. Angl. Francofurt Valde absurdum est inter fratres ob eandem fidem a patriâ Exules ac prosugos dissidium oriri and therefore no wrong done That the Party against Ceremonies caus'd the Troubles at Frankfort and brought a dishonour to the Reformation and Infamy on the Nation for Mr. Calvins Letter to them at Frankford charges these things upon them and this was Written Feb. 1.31 and Dr. Cox with his party who brought in the Liturgy came not thither till March 13. following therefore if Mr. Calvin wrote truth there were troubles among them before the Conformists came thither It is a strange Confidence this Author takes to deny That in the beginning of Queen Elizabeth 's Reign things were so settled in the Church of England to please each party in the abolishing some and the retaining other Ceremonies For the Compilers themselves who certainly deserve in Charity to be credited in what they say concerning their own motives and Sentiments do after they had declared the different opinions of men about Ceremonies say It was thought expedient not so much to have respect how to please and satisfy either of these parties that is singly or gratify their humours as how to please God and to profit them both Therefore they intended to Profit each party which in the Apostles sense is to please our Neighbour to Edification And that none might be offended whom Good reason might satisfy They rendred Causes why some Ceremonies were put away and some retained Against so evident a Testimony he replies that the Ceremonies then abolished were offensive to all Protestants Whereas the compilers themselves say that there were some among those whom they would profit that did think it a great matter of Conscience to depart from a piece of the least of their accustomed Ceremonies Thus this Author hath failed in his attempt to take off the reasons of necessity for the first enjoyning of the Ceremonies He is no more successfull against the Necessity of the Continuance For when it had been said that They who are for the Church are unwilling to have the Ceremonies taken away He replies such as delight in them may enjoy and use their Liberty but let them not lay stumbling blocks before others or intangle the Conscience or hinder those of a contrary Perswasion from the Ministry and from teaching c. This is easily said but he should have also proved it practicable For Instance If in one and the same Parish the Minister be against Ceremonies and the people for them how shall each of these enjoy and use their Liberties What contentions and variances must needs arise If you say the People may make use of a Minister of the same Judgment with themselves 1 They cannot do it for all Offices 2 This must lay a constant ground of alienation and so of Quarrelling betwixt People and Minister and betwixt the Ministers themselves How can this Writer forget that this was a frequent Case in the late troubles almost in all Parishes This therefore is to multiply divisions that at last must overthrow all And there is no considering Person but sees a necessity that all Ministers should be bound to the same Rule Another reason for continuing the Ceremonies was because it would be in vain to comply with them who will never be satisfied To this he answers With what soberness can this be said when hitherto the Dissenters were never tryed with any Relaxation c. But with what truth can he say they were never tryed When they had a Relaxation at the Kings first coming home and it was left to them to conform in what they could have no scruple of Conscience yet this did not satisfy them But he had said before That some of them did comply with the Kings desire Yet he doth not tell us who or how many and in deed when this was objected to their Friends that laboured for an Indulgence for them they could not give an account of any considerable number that did so Others he saith did not perhaps for the prevention of Scandal And we say perhaps The same Perhaps to prevent a Scandal among their own Party whose Spirits they have imbittered with an hatred of the Church of England may still prevail upon them to be-unsatisfied So that the Honour of the Church and State must be prostituted by repealing their Laws and Injunctions to the Fortuitous pleasure of them that do not conform Besides this Author will not give us the bounds of his desired Latitude nor assure us where that Party will stand How far we must go to satisfy all the several Sects and how many will be gained all these things are requisite to assure us that they intend to be satisfyed It was also said that the Imputations of Idolatry Superstition and Antichristianism to the things enjoyned perswade us not easily to part with them as being so guilty These Calumnies have been engraven with Swords and written in blood and to renounce what we believe to be innocent as criminal is plainly to declare that we have no love to the Truth that we tacitly condemn what we approve and we should likewise Calumniate all those whose Communion we pretend to the former Church who did observe them as indifferent The Discourser does not deny that these Calumnies have been raised nor doth he condemn the slanderers but he sayes Shall their value be so exhanced as to be thought of more worth then the Unity of the Church To which we answer That though we account the Church's Unity to be of an infinite Value above them yet we cannot promise our selves to procure her Unity by a thing that is not just in it self that is by justifying false imputations in taking away what we and other Christians have thought clear and praise-worthy The expedient which he hath proposed for salving the Churches honour by her declaring that she remits her injunctions in compliance with weak consciences Will be an envidence of her very great weakness unless those Weak Consciences declare also that she hath not been Idolatrous Superstitious or Antichristian in her former enjoyning of them and that the