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A17084 The gratulation of the mooste famous clerke M. Martin Bucer a man of no lesse learninge and lyterature, then godlye studie and example of lyuing, vnto the churche of Englande for the restitucion of Christes religion. And hys answere vnto the two raylinge epistles of Steue[n], Bisshoppe of Winchester, concerninge the vnmaried state of preestes and cloysterars, wherein is euidently declared, that it is against the lawes of God, and of his churche to require of all suche as be and must be admitted to preesthood, to refrain from holye matrimonie. Translated out of Latin in to Englishe.; Gratulatio ad Ecclesiam Anglicanam. English Bucer, Martin, 1491-1551.; Hoby, Thomas, Sir, 1530-1566. 1549 (1549) STC 3963; ESTC S106007 62,277 167

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The Gratulation of the mooste famous Clerke M. Martin Bucer a man of no lesse learninge and lyterature then Godlye studie and example of lyuing vnto the churche of Englande for the restitucion of Christes religion And Hys answere vnto the two raylinge epistles of Steuē Bisshoppe of Winchester concerninge the vnmaried state of preestes and cloysterars wherin is euidently declared that it is against the lawes of God and of his churche to require of all suche as be and must be admitted to preesthood to refrain from holye matrimonie Translated out of Latin in to Englishe Hebru xiij Wedlocke is to be had in price amonge al men is a chamber vndefyled As for hoore keapers adulterers God wyll iudge them To his right worshypfull Brother Syr Philyppe Hobye knight M. of y e Kinges maiesties ordinaunce Thomas Hobye wishethe grace and peace throught our lorde Iesus Christe EMonge the sundrye and manifolde benifittes whiche from my tender childhod I haue foūde in yow and receaued at your handes most especiall good brother thys is not the leaste that ye haue now af late dayes of the good zeale ye beare to Gods worde which at all tymes hath byn moste feruent in you caused me to be sent not only in to such a regiō where as florissheth Gods worde all good letters bothe holye and prophane all honestie puritie of lyfe men in all artes and sciences moste cunning and experte But also to such a man who is of no lesse wisdom knouledge godlines then of fame reporte renoune by all godly mens iudgementes one of the perfectest and greatest Clerkes nowe lyuinge namelye M. Martyne Bu●●● in whose daylye conuersation and companye and by whose wisdome learninge and documētes I shoulde receaue and learne that shoulde belonge not onlie to myne owne fu●●herance profyt but also to the consolation and comfort of you all my frendes whō hytherto I haue founde moste beneficyall towardes me Sythe therfore it hath thus chaunced by your most godly procurement prouision that I should for a season here remaine with this profounde and famous Clerke ye myght not vnworthelye in dede with iuste cause impute vnto me either the vyce of igname or els obliuion and forgetfulnes of your moste large and ample benefittes if I should let slippe suche a mete apt and necessarye epistle of his and especiallie beinge writtē and indited to the whole churche or congregation of Englande bothe learned vnlearned in the which he expresseth not only the assured and vnfained loue that he beareth at all tymes hathe borne towardes this realme and rulars and ministers of the same but also very euidentlye declareth and with moste manifeste testimonies of scripture setteth furthe at large suche thinges as maye be to the profitt and furtherance of many and wherin he hath confuted not al for it were in maner an infinite worke to stande aboute all but as many sophisticall wranglinge schoolishe reasons as are of any probabilitie or likehoode whiche my lorde of Uvynchester farre vnsemely for a sober Bisshoppe hath expressed set forthe in his two moste cōtumelious railing epistles agaīst him winkīg at ouerhippīg his wel most innumerable opprobrious wordes checkes tauntes rebukes quarellinges scoffinges reuilīges scoldinges railinges wherwith they are filled as full as they may be heaped to gether In the which are so fewe argumētes or reasons of any probabilitie that had not the vrgēt and instant requeste of his frendes certain of oure coūtray men bien he wold neuer once haue put penn to the paper nor yet haue made anye a do about them but wolde haue left them to the iudgemēt arbitrimēt of the reader notwithstanding now of late dayes it chaunced that he gate a litle vacant tyme to do the same seing he promised it to certaine from his manifolde impedimentes necessarie ecclesiastical busines wher with we knowe such men are no smale dele let to reconcile him selfe which the Bisshoppe scornfullye after his olde wōte casteth in his tethe to his brother before he ●●ay his offringe vpon the altare The whiche thoughe it be brefe and cōpencious not set forth to the largeste yet is it verye dilucidious pithie full of argumentes concluded not onlye vpon y e holy gostes vnfained decrees apoītmentes and ordinaunces but also the olde and holye doctores of the church and for the brefnes of tyme sufficient inough The which when he had finisshed I furthe with toke in hande acording to my childishe talent to translate into our vulgare and cōmune speache and haue sent it vnto yow to then●ent some well disposed and better learned which purchaunce wyll not bestowe so moch tym as the translation therof requireth maye yet at the least wyse peruse it acording as he thinketh beste so that at lengthe it may be worthy to come abroade for the profit and instruction of the ignoraunt whiche haue not receaued the knowledge of the Latin tonge because it is written to them as wel as to the other Wherin I will desyre yow to accept my good wyll as thought it colde extende farther and do moch better which yf ye do it shalbe a great incourage and vrgent cause vnto me to employ and bestowe the reste of my studie dilygence and laboure herafter in other affayres which I truste shalbe no lesse acceptable vnto yowe then great furtherance to myne onne profyt vtilitie The spirite of treuthe be with yow who guide yow in all your pathes acording to his will and lead yow into all go●tlye knowlege Amen At Argentyne Kalendis Februarij To the holye churche of God the churche of England ministers of the same oure lorde Iesus Christe geue increace of this grace and spirite WE geue thankes and that not without cause to God and the father our lord Iesus Christe throughe this his sonne and our sauiour moste worthye louinge brethren for that maruelous cōsolation which of his infinite bountie he bringeth at this present time vnto vs because that emonge you he repaireth renueth y e foundatio●s of his kingdome so excellentlye so perfecctly so luckylye For it chaūced now of late dayes that youre sermons or Homelies came vnto oure hādes wher with ye godlye effectiouslye exhorte youre people to the reading of holye scripture and therin expounde to thesame the faithe wherby we holde our christianitie iustificatiō wherevpon al oure healthe consisteth and other most holye principles of our religion with a most godly zeale For these foundations truely layde what may then longe after wante in youre churches to the ful perfection of Christ hys doctryne and discipline ▪ For when suche as wil be of Christe shal reade the holye scriptures as you most godly instruct and suade prefarre them so much before all the decrees of mans wisdome as God is greater hygher then man Oure especial and moste boūteful heauēly mayster Iesus Christe wil so largely powre hys
the meate of euerlastyng lyfe U●herfore we wil continually praye God our father through his Sonne our sauiour y t he wil vouchesafe as sone as may be to make perfect the good worke grounded in you to restore hys sonnes kyngdome so to kepe it perfecte vnto the daye of hys sonne Of the whiche worke of the Lorde so luck●ly begonne amonge you I thoughte beste in thys place to make some mention for two causes the one is ●hat I may some what cal to memorye that wonderous beneficence of God worthye great renoune amōg all Christians which he hath shewed vnto you for the comforte and consolation of many of Gods children The other is that I may speake vnto you familierly of youre countrey man Steuen my Lord of Winchester and so take my beginning of a more acceptable place not far frō the purpose Uvithowt fa●le many of yow hawe read the two epistles whiche this man writ a pretie while a go agaynste me as full of reproches as they may be thruste And not a fewe of yow haue wondred as I haue byn oft certified why hitherto I diferred to make hī answer the cause of the which differring or prolonging of tyme I thowght mete here to declare esspeciallye seing in the reueylinge and dis●losinge of oure disputation begone at Ratisbona about the nature disposition of faithe which iustifieth that is to say which attacheth so perfectly the mercy of god that iustifyeth vs in Christe our Lord that it maketh vs assuraunt of euerlastynge helth I disclosed and confuted certayne of hys deceytfull argumentes wherwith he wēt about to disproue oure right confessiō verie apostolike doctrine Trew it is I tooke in hande oft tymes to answere him as towehinge the vnmaried state other places whiche he laide so spitefullye againste me and to paint his sophistrie and quarellinges in their coloures but euer some busines was in the waye whiche I knewe par●eyned more to my ministerye then to confute his sophistical and captions reasons no lesse vaine trifling then vngodly and ful of reproche how so euer he stande in his owne conceipt For I thought thus with my selfe They that shal reade thes so great reproches which procede of such an impotent hatred suche sophistical cauillations will know the cause whiche is in cotrouersye betwixt vs or will not ▪ yf they will not they shal styl remaine in their plesant ●ies and reproches is not fet that they sholde be anye more offended with the defense of the truth But yf they wyll and are fauorers of the tre●the and rightousnes they may sone perceaue by Uvynchesters verie writinges such places as he bringeth out of my booke that he hathe ons decreede to peruerte withe his scholishe reasons and to debilitate withe his euel reportes what so euer I haue spoken thowgh it be Godlie and a right Uvherfor they will i● no case permit them selues to be lead in to anie preiudice or foreiudgemēt against me by any of Uvynchesters raylīges before thei haue in lyke case read my booke agaīst the which he is in suche a rage The which yf they do they shall knowe for a certaynitie that thys man of an obstinate and stubborne mynde resisteth Christes doctryne and the syncere restitutiō of the churches And that whē he colde bryng no probabylitie against it he went about pretermitting therin oure perfecte demonstratio●s whiche were concluded vpon the authoritie of God and all the Apostolike churche here there in my bookes to scrape together certaine wordes to take some doubtful places of an vncertayn sēse wherin he myght manifeste his witt ● profoundnes in peruerting the treuth and conuitiating them that haue not deserued For in that booke vnto Latomus wherin I noted certayn prouisions of the Apostle which U●ynchester went about to destroy to cōfute so wooddilie I declared by Gods manifeste wordes cōsente of the trewe apostolike churche that the same whiche Latomus tooke vpon him to defende as the lawe of the churche wherbye prestes are forbid to mary is not the lawe of Gods churche but rather the pestilence and plage of the lawes whiche after an horrible fassiō bringeth to decaye al the holines bothe of the Cleargye of the people of God as manye as folow the chastitie of their shepherdes bycause this lawe reiectethe setteth a side many apt to redresse godes churches and hath oppressed the churches wythe suche mē that turne vp set downe and vtterlie bringe to confusiō the doctrine and discipline of Christ. I shewed that mariage of it selfe is a holye kynde of lyfe and that therin is som thinge contayned which colde helpe no smale dele the ofice ministerye of a preest and y t for the self same cause the holy ghoost set in the fyrst chiefe place amonge the gyftes and veriues of a Bisshop that he be an honest maryed man and a godly and profytable housholder I taught furthermore that the matter it selfe geueth euydent iudgement how so many ministers of religion are not found that make them selues chast for the kyngedom of heauens sake as there shoulde be whiche abstinence is onely meate for preesthode Afterwarde I made playne that y e holy ghooste willeth them ●●at burne and are in ieopardye of vnpure chastite to marye withoute any lette other of vowes or mans lawes Finallye I layde againste him with the scripture of God both the decrees and aucthorities of holy fathers of suche fathers as sought by all meanes to haue preestes vnmaryed whose decrees and sentences yf they be had in any estimatiō as they ought to be for they hange vpon Gods verie worde lawe proue that of a thousande preestes at this daye scarse on can be founde whiche may remaine in this holye ministerye that not allonlie for their vitious and filthie castitie but also because they be entangled in the busines of the worlde are nother learned nor diligent to feade the lordes flocke so that they take not their v●maried state vpon them for the kingdom of heauēs sake but for fatte benefices ecclesiasticall dignities Aud so by thes vndoubted principles of holie doctrine concluded by gods very decrees I declared that for so moche as it is ernestlie sought for in them at this daye whiche muste be admitted to take cure of the churches to vowe chastitie els muste be cōstraynid to forsake this ministerye in case that they maye the better lyue they take wiues acordinge to the lordes cōmaundemēt in their preesthood or after they haue vowed their solitary lyfe it can be attributed to no churche but muste be worthilie coūted the doctrine of dyuels wherbye they bring to ●ecay and throwe vnder foote after a moste miserable fassion the lawes of Christe and the churche by the which the whole order of the Cleargie hath made exile and banished all holmes and godlines of the lyfe But what I besech yow doth Uvinchester
aduersaries least I sholde ●ake or declare their fainges or writtinges otherwise thē they ment spake or wrat thē But as holilie and firmelie as I denie that I made anielye vpon Winchester euen as boldlie doth he affirme thesame Who therfor shalbe the iudge betwext vs He despaireth of witnesse and writeth that I receaue no witnesse but such as are conspired whom I should call Godlye men and worthie credit And therfor he requireth witnesse of the marter it selfe And as Sophocles purged him selfe of dotage by the settinge furth of the tragedie he had at the same time in hande So doth he demaūde of the rightous good reader whether it be likelie that he answered me at anie time such foolishe thinges so vnsauerie and so farr alienat from all knowleg of scriptures seing he wrate thos thinges that I shold kepe secrete and suche thinges again as he publisshed abroad against me the second time For he wold haue thes his writinges to seme to haue some affinitie with the knowledge of holie scripture with the quicnesse of iudgement so that it should be rekened incredible that he answered me anie thinge so foolish and vnworthie for him that hath taken vpon him to entreat of diuinitie thes thinges doth he writ in his laste epistle against me In verie dede I wyll with all my hart admit to geue sentence of oure communication anie whose iudgemēt and sentense in suche a cause owght and may haue anie waight Nother do I knowe anie conspired without he meane suche as haue holylye and Godly sworne as I haue done to christe and vnto their prynces and magistrates Also I esteme them Godlye and worthie credit y t may be knowen to be suche by theyr fructes of godlynes Suche therfor whether they pertaine to his householde or are peculierlye ioyned to me in the lorde may declare witnesse what so euer they remembre of oure communication Nother do I refuse the testimonies of his owne writtinges but a me contented therof to iudge both how trew Uvinchester is in alleaging oure sainges and how sure and trustie in interpretinge Gods scriptures He reproued me bicause I kepe secrete his writinge but if he suppose that his cause hath therby anie with the more furtherance whye did not he him selfe longe a go put them forthe For he affyrmed that he hath with him his owne hande writtinge Trulye I thought it euer best to reserue it to myne answere as now euerie day the matter it selfe wyll declare But at this present tyme seinge I haue nother tyme ne place to set owt all that I will shewe as moche therof as is requisyte for this present cause and that wyll I compare with hys writinges imprinted to thentent all men maye se what credite his writinges deserue how they shold be estemed For yf so be the lawe of witnesse be commune to vs both that theyr testimonies may not be receaued whiche speake contrarye to themselues Winchesters owne writinges shall conuince him selfe of vanitie and quarellinge and not me For in his writing which after oure communication he sent vnto me when he had gone about to proue that this place of Paule But if anye thinke it vncomelye for his virgine if she passe the tyme of mariage should be vnderstanded of the virgin now affyaunced and whose tyme is past when the father promised to geue her to a husbande He writ thus But saith Paule that father being of a fyrme and stedfaste minde to kepe his doughter a virgin nothinge wauering and which as yet hath in his handes to apointe with him selfe to marye her or to kepe her chaste Also the whiche is constrainid by no necessytie that rise the eyther of that that he can not easelie finde her a husbande eyther is alleaged by the reason of the cōuenantes that are to be obserued is compelled to marye his doughter but hathe the power ouer his owne will so that as yet he maye chose whether he will geue her to matrimonye or no. Finallye hathe decreed withe the sure decree of his minde to kepe his virgin this father I saye by Paules iudgement whiche keapeth his virgin by the perpetual stedfastnes of his minde as cōsecrated and dedicated vnto God doth a dede whiche profiteth not onlie the virgin as he said before but also the father him self before God And therfor saithe Paul he dothe wel And this is Paules proper meanīg thus moch hathe he writtē whiche he maye know by his hande writing that he hath kept withe him Trulie in thes wordes is not expressidlie set that interpretation which Winchester brought in oure communication together concerninge the necessitie to marie y e doughter for y e pe●●rie smalle portion of substans as far as I vnderstande his wordes nother do I knowe what he meaneth by y e necessitie to marie the doughter whiche shoulde rise of the dyfficultie to get her a husbande But that is no maruail if by y e space of one night geuen him to respect and to inuent he changed and correcked y t in oure disputation he hadde sodenly forgotten if he haue correcked it at all For I vnderstande not as I haue said what he meaneth by that necessitie to marie y e doughter whiche he writeth to springe of the difficultie to get her a husbande For ye se y t he putteth a dobble nede wherby the father shold be cōstrainid to mary his doughter one y t is alleaged by the pactes and conuenantes of mariage an other that shoulde rise of y e difficultie to get her a husbande which saing if it be not contrarie to it selfe yet is it very vna●ply and obscurely cōpacte for it appeareth not what necessitie to marie y e doughter can rise of y e difficultie to get her a husbād therfor he him selfe shold interprete what difficultie to gether a husband he meaneth here whether ●hat y e riseth of the tēnnitie and smale portion of patrimonie or some other I wyll continewe on to shewe how manye wayes his writinges disagre to thē selues and euerte one an other Uvherof that shal not only be manifeste how he with his owne with witnesse shalbe conuinced of falshoode but also it shalbe knowen that it is no maruayle if he changed afterwarde in writinge that in oure disputation he spake vnaduisidlie seinge he reuoked afterwarde thos thinges whiche he writt with great deliberation and that not onlye in his other but also in the selfesame writinge and that openlye publysshed abroade Understande ye therfore of thys thinges which I haue brought owt of his owne hand writinge Fyrste howe Uvynchester interpreted this sainge of Paule and hath no nede not onelye out of hande and without puttinge anie doubt and in one simple meaning ▪ but also that he added vnto this his interpretation an assured affyrmans For this is saith he Paules proper meaninge Afterwarde that he hath interpreted this place of the necessitie to marie the doughter and not to kepe her Last of