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B08388	As it is very much the Parliaments honour, so we account it no lesse our happinesse, that the doors thereof stands so freely open, wherein we may present our desires, as also acquaint it with such fears and grievances, as for the present we do, or for the future may suspect to suffer under. And as for the full discovery of both, we have presented our severall petitions, so we think ourselves in duty obliged to tender our hearty and thankefull acknowledgements, for that returne for the present we received by the mouths of those two worthy gentlemen Sir Henry Vane and Col. Lister. Not doubting but that we shall suddenly finde our hopes crowned with such further answer, as the merits of so just and honest a case deserves. In the mean time, we cannot but to our great regreet take notice of a false and scandalous paper, put in by Sir William Killigrew, miscalling our humble and mode it addresses, clamours, our appearances riots. A strange mistaken confidence, so foully indeavouring to abuse their credulity, from whom he expects to finde favour or authority.	England and Wales. Parliament.	1651 (1651)	Wing A3916AA; ESTC R223977	5,292	1

AS it is very much the Parliaments honour so we account it no lesse our happinesse that the doors thereof stands so freely open wherein we may present our desires as also acquaint it with such fears and grievances as for the present we do or for the future may suspect to suffer under And as for the full discovery of both we have presented our severall Petitions so we think our selves in duty obliged to tender our hearty and thankefull acknowledgements for that returne for the present we received by the mouths of those two worthy Gentlemen Sir Henry Vane and Col. Lister Not doubting but that we shall suddenly finde our hopes crowned with such further answer as the merits of so just and honest a cause deserves In the mean time we cannot but to our great regreet take notice of a false and scandalous Paper put in by Sir William Killigrew miscalling our humble and modest Addresses Clamours our Appearances Riots A strange mistaken confidence so foully indeavouring to abuse their credulity from whom he expects to finde favour or Authority A Paper delivered and dispersed by Sir VVilliam Killigrew 1. BY reason of the many greater affairs in Parliament the Bill for perfecting the Earle of Lindseys Fens hath not yet found a time to be read by which unhappy delay the season of this yeer is neer spent for works of this nature and if the work begin not till next Summer the profit of that yeer must be also lost By this unhappy delay also new obstructions are now raised against this publick work For I am credibly informed by severall persons of quality that the people have been lately invited and incouraged at Boston to come up in great numbers to make new clamours by telling them that they have a good cause and but few friends in Parliament that three or foure onely spoke for them that when the Vote passed but thirteen were for the Country and twenty seven against them that their Fens would be lost unlesse they did come generally up to petition and if that failed then they should bring up their wives and children to the Parliament doore and there leave them II. I do conceive by these invitations and incouragements many poore ignorant people are perswaded to signe Petitions they understand not and may be did never see And to make the noise and clamour greater many rich men of Boston with others bordering on the eight hundred Fens are now come up who would have no draining that so themselves with their great stocks may still continue to eat out the poor Commoners and do therefore well to declare in their last Friday books that the poor Commoners have no interest in the Fens but by their Landlords right which is a pretty preamble to rob the poor people of their Commons in case their designe should follow of inclosing all the Commons These men also are now come up to petition against the Drainers in hope to stay the Act from passing thereby to keep the said eight hundred Fens from being drained and thereby to defraud the State of eight thousand Acres in that Fens belonging to the late King as Lord of the Soyle and Drainer of the said Fen. III. I shall not trouble my self to answer their railing books given abroad on Friday last because the substance of the same books hath by them been published long since and long since fully answered by books of mine nor much value what their Petition or themselves can say after so many yeers hearing and such full debates at so great a Committee where all the House had Voices and after a Bill ordered by this honourable House to be brought in to perfect the said draining for I do humbly conceive there being no new act done by the Drainers these mens repetition of old clamours fully answered can signifie nothing but some few mens endeavours to delay the Act in hope to starve the Drainers while the cause depends filling mens ears with terrours of the peoples discontent as if two or three hundred Riotters with their Abettors signing a Petition or as many rich mens coming up with a Petition were the voice of the whole people of Lincolnshire and as if all England did desire the Fens should not be drained when as most of this Nation do wonder that any should oppose so generall a good IV. I do glory in my part of the merit of this work because I may safely say that no work of this nature was ever carried on with a more generall consent and applause of the most eminent Lords Owners and Commonets of the Country or with more equity pursued or lesse prejudice to any man or hath produced a greater improvement I mean proportionable to its quantity nor hath any such work been brought to a greater perfection In consideration whereof I cannot apprehend that the whole Land shall be taken from us but my fears are lest some artificiall delays or prejudiciall accommodation be found to bring us to ruine to wit by recompencing our charge hazard and losses which the whole twenty foure thousand Acres will not now do nor can the Country ever perform it by a sum of money though they and we should agree to it My onely hope is that the Parliament will think it just and honourable to settle us by the same like Act with Bedford-Levell having the same title and merit In which Act there are provisoes to meet with and prevent all mischiefs and inconveniences which have or may happen to any person concerned in this work of draining It is therefore a vain thing by Petitions to anticipate the intentions of the Parliament who intend so much their good if Lindsey-Levell be established by the like Act with Bedford-Levell the profit of these works being done will encourage the draining of all the Fens in England as a high improvement to the publick good of this Nation and therefore worthy of the Parliaments protection for which there are arguments enough to convince any opinions to the contrary 1 June 1651. William Killigrew A Reply to Sir William Killigrews dispersed Papers by the Owners and Commoners in Lincolnshire TO the first We are civilly sensible of the Parliaments affairs as appeared by the manner of our petitioning We conceive there cannot be a time found to settle the Fens in the Earle of Lindsey who petitions not for them nor in Sir William Killigrew who hath not produced to the Committee any Deed or Conveyance whereby to derive a Title to himself We may complain of unhappinesse who have been delayed and interupted in our Drainings these sixty yeers by Court-Undertakers We cannot be called obstructors of a Bill that petitions for one If it was good manners for us to print what we heare and are credibly informed we could tell to whom Sir Thomas Dawes is indebted and to whom Sir William Killigrew is ingaged and that our Lands must discharge those debts and ingagements and who are interessed in other Undertakings But to avoid

calumniation we will hold our babbles persons of quality are seldome tatlers To invite and incourage people in a good cause is noble honest and commendable humbly to petition cannot be called clamour by a tongue well guided We cannot learn of any Votes that passed against us neither can we believe it nor that any of this Parliament is against us who was so much for them nor that the Fens can be lost if kept out of the hands of Parliament-destroyers We shall never be so uncivill or unnaturall as to leave our wives and children at the Parliaments doore nor can we imagine that ever any thing will come from thence to cause them to beg at other mens doors To the second Sir William knows the poore need no invitations it was they onely who were found guilty and punished for pulling down their houses c. as appears by severall Indictments when Sir Williams friends and sharers was by Court power made high Sheriff and Justices of the peace and Parliament men put out Had Sir Williams charity sooner appeared it might have been better for him and us He argues Leveller like to gain the poore by telling them that is theirs they have no propriety in for all Lawyers will tell him right of common belongs to the lands and houses of men and not to their persons and such poore as have land or cottage hath as good right of Commons as he that hath a hundred acres We are as willing our Common should be stinted and enjoyed in common if so thought fit as any poor man can desire it practise that onely and condemn us if we oppose it When Sir Williams power prevailed it is well known how the poore was oppressed so that his charity and arguments are but self-ends He saith the rich men of Boston eat up the Common with great stocks and so he saith of the rest of the Towns which great stock those Fens ever maintained before Sir William knew the Country and is an argument the Fens are not at all hurtfully surrounded grounds and needs draining since they bear such great stocks He saith the Commoners would defraud the State of eight thousand acres in the eight hundred Fenne It is he that would defraud the State by inviting them to own what was condemned in the King and so metamorphize a dear-bought-Common wealth into a Kingdome again He knows the King when Court-power ruled having no Title could never out the Commoners though he perplexed them with long and tedious suits in the Court of Exchequer where he was cast and the Commoners possessions never interupted To the third We say it is great discretion in Sir William not to reply to books he is so unable to answer But we much value that after a cause so fully heard in Parliament as to be remonstrated a grievance it should now be a question whether the grievers should be recompenced or not What our petitions or repetitions signifie we must leave to the judgement of the Readers who will soberly determine who is most clamourous He saith it is but some few men that oppose him We will joyne issue with him there if he can either of persons or hands procure foure in ten of rightfull Owners and Commoners we will cease in opposing him Sir William much insisteth upon the Act or Bill that is ordered by the House to be brought in by Jo Gooding Esq a Member thereof as if it was either made by or with his and his sharers privity for he saith the delay of it will starve them it is better starving ten then ten thousand But we cannot but imagine he abuseth that worthy Member in fomenting cause of jealousie being well assured the House ordered no compliance more with them then us Sure we are we have had no insight or privity at all to the Bill and why they should we wonder It is strange that one who hath received so much mercy should be still so foul-mouthed as to call humble Petitioners riotters and abettors He falsely accuseth us for riotters and yet invites us to be so in excepting against many rich men being trusted to represent the grievances of thousands as if it was fit to trouble the Parliament with multitudes But as before if Sir William can procure the greater number we will be silent We know none in England that opposeth drainings neither do we believe any in England think us such fools or mad men that we need Guardians for our estates We are perswaded few of the Nation knows how we have been abused by Court-Undertakers if they did they would wonder such propriety-destroyers should go unpunished To the fourth We are sorry to heare Sir William glory in oppression our imprisonments fining selling our cattell without any account making taking our Land against our consents and commanding Commissioners by the Kings letters deserves little applause and expresseth lesse equity Produce the consent gained of the greatest part of the eminentest Lords Owners and Commoners otherwaies then by force and we will acquiesse A for the improvement made we shall submit to the view of indifferent honest Gentlemen who may judge by the soyle turned up what was the former condition of the Fens Sir William argues much for Recompence we can easily prove a good recompence he hath received for our parts we have more cause to expect it Micah 2.1 2 3 4 5. shews what recompence such deserve many of the Commoners having lost their lives and estates in the Parliaments service by the violence of Sir William and his participants which blood was of greater value then any estate Sir William ever had If we be unable to satisfie his pretended estate he is far more unable to answer for our bloud and estates he and his participants in the late war so lavishly shed and spoyled In the pardon of his violence done to the five Members and his hostility to the Parliament he hath received more then ever we did for our lives and estates we lost and hazarded What Bedford Act is concerns not us their convenience and inconveniences may not be the same with ours It is high presumption for such an offendor as Sir William hath been to say its vain to petition a Parliament Could his bribes prevail there as they did at Court he would anticipate the justice thereof and divide betwixt them and the people the which we hope providence that in our extremity raised us a Parliament will prevent In a late paper Sir William boasteth of 78 Commissioners that did act for him It s well known how unwilling they were to act untill they were commanded by the Kings letters Again those Gentlemen were not actors in that which was the root of the evill for the view of what grounds was hurtfully surrounded betwixt Bourne and Kime Eae was taken onely by Undertakers and Sharers viz. the Earl of Lindsey the Lord Willoughby his son Sir Edward Heron Sir John Brooks William Langton and Robert Long Esq these being for themselves were tempted with that sin of covetuousnesse yet unreformed and certified that all was hurtfully surrounded the other Gentlemen not privie to the designe being commanded by the Kings letters to proceed accordingly and did untill they understood the evil of that designe and then they endeavoured to oppose it But when the Undertakers perceived their dislike of the proceedings they put out of commission o● Sewers those Gentlemen of which number Sir William Armin and Mr. Lister were two and neither of them viewed the Fens now in question We wonder Sir William Killigrew should so unworthily charge Sir William Armin that worthy deceased Member as a Viewer who cleared his innocency of that act before the Committee of the Fens Though what he said and what Sir Anthony Irby testified before the Committee what Fens he and others meant when they writ to the King for an Undertaker be left out of the depositions yet many worthy Members and Gentlemen standing by remembers it Sir Anthony Irby being still living we desire he may again if occasion requires it declare himself he formerly testified that it was not meant the Fens between Bourne and Kine Eae