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A88953 Israel's redemption redeemed. Or, The Jewes generall and miraculous conversion to the faith of the Gospel: and returne into their owne land: and our Saviours personall reigne on Earth, cleerly proved out of many plaine prophecies of the Old and New Testaments. And the chiefe arguments that can be alledged against these truths, fully answered: of purpose to satisfie all gainsayers; and in particular Mr. Alexander Petrie, Minister of the Scottish Church in Roterdam. / By Robert Maton, the author of Israel's redemption. Divided into two parts, whereof the first concernes the Jewes restauration into a visible kingdome in Judea: and the second, our Saviours visible reigne over them, and all other nations at his nextappearing [sic]. Whereunto are annexed the authors reasons, for the literall and proper sense of the plagues contain'd under the trumpets and vialls. Maton, Robert, 1607-1653? 1646 (1646) Wing M1295; Thomason E367_1; ESTC R201265 319,991 370

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And Piscator resolves the matter thus peremptorily against you Praeter-naturales istae trium horarum tenebrae quae totam terram occuparunt patiente Christo portenderunt haud dubie calamitates ill●s quas non multò post Deus iratus huic populo immisit quas et Christus suprà cap. 24. discipulis praedi●it Sunt enim Tenebrae signum irae Dei ut perspicitur ex eo quòd signum erunt adventantis Christi ad judicium ut ipse testatur suprà cap. 24.29 Et passìm in Scriptura nomine Tenebrarum calamitates significantur c. in cap. 27. verse 45. Mat. In which words he doth not onely say that this darknesse was a token of those miseries which shortly after befell the Jewes but also that the word darknesse in the Scripture whether properly or improperly taken doth every where signify calamities And in your next instance out of the 21 chap. of Luke ver 25. you your selfe doe say that the signes there rehearst are all properly to be understood as signes before the great and terrible Day of the Lord. But amongst the rest you reckon the distresse of Nations with perplexity for a signe whereas it is rather an effect of the signes which shall be so extraordinary that they shall bring men into great perplexity and feare of the things which they shall shew to be comming on the earth But whereas you say that what is promised in the 28. and 29 ver of the 2. chap. of Joel was truely albeit not altogether fulfilled in the dayes of Peter even howbeit the words of the 30. and 31. ver be properly understood and not wholly fulfilled till the time immediately preceding the last comming of Christ It is utterly false as hath been already shewed and may further thus be shewed To wit because the powring out of the Spirit spoken of by Joel is to precede or at least to accompany the darkning of the Sun and Moone and both to precede the great and terrible Day of the Lord whereas the darkning of the Sun at our Saviour's first comming did precede the powring out of the Spirit and neither of them did precede the day of his birth For the Sun was darkened when he was about to leave both his life and the world together And the Spirit was not powred out til after his ascension And thus besides that there was not then any unusuall darkening of the Moone the very different order of the accomplishment of these things from that mentioned by Joel and their not preceding our Saviour's first comming as signes thereof doe abundantly shew the grosnesse of your interpretation Israel's Redemption Neither have I forgotten that the first of these prophecies was made use of by S. Peter to stop the mouthes of such as jeer'd the Apostles when by the descent of the Holy Ghost upon them they began to speake with tongues Act. 2.4 but that this prophecy was then fulfilled I deny For when some mocking said These men are full of new wine S. Peter replyd ' ye men of Iudea and all ye that dwell at Hierusalem be this knowne unto you and hearken to my words for these are not drunken as ye suppose seeing it is but the third houre of the day but this is that which was spoken by the Prophet Ioel. And it shall come to passe in the last dayes saith God I will powre out my Spirit upon all flesh As if he had said My brethren these are not the effects of wine but of the Spirit of God which is now powred out on the first fruits of the Jews as a pledge and assurance of that bountifull effusion of it which as Joel hath said shall one day happen to the u Isa 32.15 Ezek. 39.29 Zech. 12.10 whole Nation And that this is all St Peter meant it may thus appeare First because the chiefe and most remarkeable effect of the Spirit in the Apostles at this time was the gift of tongues of which the Prophet makes no mention Mr. Petrie's Answer 1. If this exception were true it would prove that the Apostle citeth the words impertinently and the Jews might have challenged him of babling and so these authors fight against the Apostle and the Spirit of God who hath registred this argumentation of the Apostle as good and valid 2. The chiefe and most remarkeable worke of the Spirit at that time was a sound from Heaven as of a mighty rushing winde which filled all the house and there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire and it sate upon each of them and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost and this was noised abroad Whereby it is evident that the Apostle speakes especially not onely of the effect which is their speaking in strange languages but of the cause the powring downe of the Spirit of which Joel speakes expressely and therefore Peter citeth the words pertinently Reply 1. That the Prophet speakes not of any whom the Spirit should endue with the gift of tongues is so evident that you could not deny it and yet you dare say If this exception were true it would prove that the Apostle citeth the words impertinently Belike then the Apostle must be out in citing them rather then you in shewing to what end he cited them No Sir the Apostle alledgeth it very pretinently in that he shewes by it that the disciples spake not thus out of drunkennesse as some accused them and consequently from an evil spirit but by reason of the effusion of that Spirit on them of which Joel had spoken And therefore the mistake is in you who doe very impertinently conclude from hence that the same effusion of the Spirit which Joel spake of was then fulfilled For although the same Spirit may be powred out divers times yet that powring out of it which Joel speakes of can be fulfilled but once consequently not at our Saviour's first comming and second comming too And now who fights most against the Apostle the Spirit of God he that understands them rightly and endeavours to make others do so too or he that misunderstanding them himselfe had rather condemne them both and draw all others into an error with him then yeeld to the truth and here I would intreat thee reader to take notice that when Mr Petrie hath little or nothing to say he commonly breaks out into the more violent speech thereby to disgrace what he cannot answer 2. This part of your answer is as much to the matter as the former For whereas I speake of the gift of tongues as the most remarkeable effect of the Spirit in the Apostles you speake of the manner of the Spirits descending upon them as the most remarkeable worke of the Spirit But doe you know what you say was it not a greater worke to make the Apostles speake divers languages then to cause the sound of a mighty winde or the appearance of tongues which were onely outward signes of the extraordinary gift which the Spirit