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A09147 The Protestants theologie containing the true solutions, and groundes of religion, this daye mainteyned, and intreated, betwixt the Protestants, and Catholicks. Writen, by the R. F. F. VVilliame Patersoune religious priest, Conuentuall of Antwerpe, preacher of Gods word, and Vicar generall of the holy order of S. Augustin, through the kingdome of Scotland. The 1. Part. Paterson, F. William. 1620 (1620) STC 19461; ESTC S101863 199,694 338

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7. Brent in prolog cont a sotum Cent. Madeb lib 4. cap. 7. ANSVVER I Say no counsell eyther particuler or generall or whatsoeuer Prelates or Byshopes are assembled haue any infallible authority to defyne themselues without the authoritie and approbation of the Byshop of Rome No counsel may of it self define matters of faith without the head Diuers counsels haue erred which we proue manifestly with reason seing suchlyke sometymes without his authority haue erred as the counsell of Ariminense in which counsell were six hundrith Byshops with Arius in which it was defined by thē that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 homousion should not be vsed as an vnproper word which is to say that Christ Iesus in his Godhead is not to beheld consubstantiall to his Father Lykwise the Counsell of Millan which confirmed the Heresie of Arius Neyther this should seeme to any a maruell that two such great Counsells are dispysed and reiected because they are imperfect and lame without a head neyther doe such Counsels represent the vniuersall Church but only the body of the Church without a head Therefore it is not to such lyke coūsells The promises of God are to the head not to the body not to no particular member that the infallible promises of Gods diuyne assistance in defining matters of Faith are promised and effected but only to the head who by lawfull ordination hath receaued from Christ immediate power and authority to defyne matters of faith as head of the Church So that the body cannot defyne any thing without the head In the head is the sensitiue power to rule the body seing in the head are the sēsitiue powers of the body Therefore the body is vnder the gouernement of the head and not contrariwyse the body to rule the head Moreouer whatsoeuer counsell hath ioyned to it the authority and approbation of the Byshop of Rome is of infallible authority whether it be general prouincial The counsel of Ierusalem is a paterne to all other lawfull counsels or national because the decrees and definition of the counsell of Ierusalem are called the decrees of the holy-holy-Ghost who cannot erre In which counsell it is sayd it is seen good to the holy Ghost and to vs. Act. 15. v. 28. For this cause all other counsels lawfully assembled may say the same words representing the vniuersall Church because that counsell was the forme and exemplar of all other counsels lawfully gathered with the authority of the head As also because no lesse necessary is the assistāce of the holy ghost in these letter dayes then he was in those dayes but now more necessary because of the greater breaking out of Heresies Greater reasōs are in these tymes to gather coūsels then were in the dayes of the Apostles which shall deny our Lord that hath bought vs bringing on themselues swift damnation not knowing what they professe and lyuing lyk brute-beastes only seaking their pleasures and liberty without contradiction of a superior power For which causes generall counselles are vsed to be ordayned that they may suppresse and extinguish such new nouelties and Hereticall opiniōs which from the beginning of the Church by generall counselles with the head as chief Pastor and vicar of Christ haue byn damned accursed So that aswell by Scripture as reason it concludeth that whatsoeuer counsell is gathered lawfully and hath the authority of the Pope Counsels approued by the Pope are infallible is infalible that in one word I shall make it euident that euer in the Church that auncient costume hath bene that whatsoeuer decreetes of a Synode were concluded were euer sent to the Byshop of Rome to be confirmed Counsels remit their decree and examination with the Hereticks books to the Pope to be censured by his iudgement and approued So that S. Aug. Epist 90. beareth witnes of the counsell of Chartage wrytting in these wordes to Innocent Byshop of Rome saying vnto our most blessed Father and honourable brother Holy Innocent Pope VVe Aurelius Mundinus Rusticanus Fidentius and the rest who were present in the Counsell at Carthage and after cōmemoration of those who were present and of those things which were decreed in the counsell against Pelagius they add these words following Lord and holy Brother we haue thought good to intimate to thy charity what we haue done that the authority of the Apostolick seat may be annexed to the statutes of our iudgementes and meaning for the defence of the saluation of many and the correction of the peruersitie of some others as also the Heretical booke of Pelagius and the answer of the Catholyck Fathers we haue sent vnto thy holynes to be adiudged The same lykewise This infallibility is ascrybed to the assistance of the holy Ghost S. Aug. doth witnes in his epist 92. 95. for we doe not ascrybe this infallibilitie to the Byshopes and Fathers gathered togeathe in the counsell for that they are many or learned men but to the promise of the assistance of the holy Ghost as Matth. 18. v. 20. 28. v. 66. Which assistance of the holy Spirit we belieue you not to haue in your synodes wherin lyke manner men are foūd This holy Ghost no Heretycks are assisted with where also is found men and noe Angels The Protestant counsels are left without determination and worse then they be good Luther sets at nought all counsels and condemnes the Canons of Nyce and not Angels neyther Prophets nor Euangelistes but very men with whome the spirit of dissention makes matters indeterminate and without conclusion amongst you And moreouer wherefore giues your Bretheren such obedience and are in subiection vnto your pseudo Byshops as to a spirituall and higher power and accept of their decrees seing they are lyke our Catholicke Byshops in name mortall men whose lyues are knowne to all men Therefore we haue attributed infallibility of the counsels to the assistance of Gods holy spirit and not to man which if Luther in his booke of counsels would haue behoulden with a pure eye would not haue broken out in that bitternes to accurse and blaspheme the counsels with which he sets at nought the Canones of that holy counsel of Nyce which in all former tymes hath been esteemed soe venerable in the Church of God tearming all the articles of this counsell to be but haye stubble and strawe Kemnitius will examine the counsell of Trent after his spirit To augment this did not Kemnitius a Lutherā a prophane temerous fellowe wryte the examen of the counsell of Trent in which was so many learned men and all are tryed and examined of him In which doing they not only violate and transgresse the diuyne law of God which law commaundes all men to seek the knowledge of the law of the mouth of the Priestes Hereticks trāsgresse the law of God and imperiall ordinances of man as Mal. 2. but also the humane law of Martian the Emperour which commaundes
the Apostle 1. Cor. 1. I beseech you Bretherē by the name of our Lord IESVS Christ that ye say all one thing and that there be no Schismes among you but be you perfect in one sense and in the same knowledge Againe 1. Cor. 14. God is not a god of dissention but of peace Againe Rome 15. Now the God of patience and consolation giue you to think the same thing one with another according to Iesus Christ that with one mynd and one mouth yow may honour God Againe Rom. 12. Be not high minded and be not wise in your selues Againe Phil. 2. If there be any consolation in Christ if any comfort of loue if any fellowship of the spirit if any compassion and mercy fulfill my ioye that ye be lyke minded hauing the same loue being of one vnity and of one iudgement Therefore to descrybe this One with her vnity she is called the body of Christ and his Spouse the Kingdome of Heauen his only doue and perfect one his elect and sister new Ierusalem the arck of Noe. as witnesse these following Eph. 4. 5.1 Cor. 11. Rom. 12. Cant. 6 4. Apoc. 21. Gen. 8. Psalm 79. Cant 2. Esa 5. Ier. 2 12. Matth. 20. Marc. 12. Apoc. 14. Luc. 5. Matth. 13. Therefore as the Church is One so hath she vnity the reason is because first she is directed by the holy Ghost The causes of vnity in the Church ●s the holy Ghost the teacher of the truth a visible head to f●llow the truth and the definitiōs of ●he Church for conseruing of the truth which is the God of loue and peace and alwayes teacheth the truth which is but One. Secondly the high Pastor and head of the Church who vnder Christ gouernes this Church in a visible manner is an other cause because whilest all obey one who cannot swarue frō the truth because he is the head of the church for whome Christ hath prayed Matth. 16 Luc 22. For faith and truth must agree in one because faith truth are but one Thirdly the definition of the Church as a square rule by which the truth and relig●on is tryed and Scriptures are expounded which rules are the cause of vnitie loue peace in the Church of Christ Noe such lyke thing can be sayd of the protestantes where is this one Church amongst thē where is vnity which is a vertue proceeding of the holy Ghost who teacheth the truth for the conseruation of vnitie where is the head vnto whome all concurres where are the definitions for the keeping of vnity Are these effects among the sectaries Moreouer in the article of faith nombers of Sacramēts exposition of the Scripture the vse and effectes of the Sacramentes such jarres emulations and discords are amongst themselues that Nicol. gall superintendent in Rhensburgein thesibus hypoth sayth Our contention is not in small matters neyther of trifles How variable is the vnitie of the protestants and irreconciliable but in the highest articles of the Christian religion to wit of the law of the Ghospel of iustification and good workes of the Sacraments and vse of them of diuyne worshipe and ceremonies Which by no meanes can be appeased hidden or dissembled for they are plaine contradictions which can not be accorded thus he So that by their owne professors they are conuinced of discord and sectes Lykewyse Sturnius de rat contrad inaeundae pag. 24. Doth verisie this discentiō in so much that the Lutherans in their bookes published doe condemne the Churches of Ingland France Scotland Szuitzerland as Heretickes Lykewyse in his Epitome colloq Malbrug an 1564. pag. 82. discouering the Zuinglians who clame vnitie and fraternall peace with the Lutherans saying that the Zuinglians wryte that they account themselues bretheren with vs it is an impudent lye and vainely forged by them that we cannot sufficiently admire their impudency for we account them Hereticks not in the Church of God farrelesse to repute them our bretheren whom we finde transported with the spirit of falshood and to be contumelious to the sonne of God Againe Schluss in Theol. Cal. lib. 3. cap. 6. sayes that the Caluinistes would account vs Lutherans as their bretheren whom notwithstanding they condemne as Hereticks This discord Iezler Zuinglio Caluinist lib. de diuturnit bell● euch pag. 25. 80. Discoueres more at length saying there is no end of chiding writting accusing disputing condēning and excommunicating one another betwixt the Lutherans and Caluinistes To the same effect sayes Schluss lib. 2. art 15. Theol. cal That it is most cleare no definition eyther of generall or particular counsel is expected for vnity in religiō because it is impossible to thē to agree in matters of religion except the great day of the Lord hastē and close vp this variance Lykewyse Carlil in his book how Christ descended into Hell affirmes their vnity is to wrest the Scriptures from their right sense and to showe themselues to loue darknes more then the light Whereupon Cal. in praf non test gall 1567. I confesse sayth he that Sathan hath gained more by these new Gospellers then was in popery by keeping the word from the people Is not this the vnitie of these professors of disco●d Schisme and variable opiniōs as Greg. maior in orat de conf dogm The Papistes saies he doe obiect the scandalls and discordes which are amongst vs I confesse they are greater then can be deplored with any teares I confesse the weake myndes of many to be so troubled thereby that they haue begun to doubt wher the truth is or whether there be any Church of God or no. Lykewyse Chytreus in thema deprau Aug. conf The Euangelicall Doctors are more barbarous and lyk cruell beastes contending among themselues then barbarous souldiours Lykewyse Nil Selueccerus sayth that the professors of the Ghospel are loathsome to the world their chayrs pulpites and seates begunne to displease all men in which no other doctrine is heard then venemous debates contentions and varieties of opinions For as says Vigand lib. de errorib maior It is neyther woll nor flax that they contend about but the very capitall pointes of Christian doctrine vntil the great day of the Lord they shall neuer better agree Therefore for conclusion no vnity in heresie but this vnity is in the Catholicke Church because the multitude of belieuers are of one hart In conclusion no vnity is in haeresie As the Catholicke Church is one so is vnity and loue in her One is the Church and in vnity for diuerse reasōs and one mynd Therefore our Roman Catholik Church is that one and keepes vnitie that same with the Churches which are from the primitiue tymes which may easely appeare by the profession of our faith and in the circumstāces of all former antiquitie which also remaines one and in keeping vnity in the continuall succession of the selfe visible head not in nomber but by successiue succession and moreouer it is
Reformation Whose doctrine is cōcerning Christ himselfe to wit when he descended into the Hell that he was shaken vvith horrible tormentes and griefe of conscience in thinking on Gods wrath towards him that he dispared of his eternall saluation as doe the damned and that God his Father had conspyred the distruction of the sonne which euidently may be read in Calu. lib. 2. inst cap. 16. § 11.12 Lykewyse he sayes that Christ refused to discharge the office of a mediator in his sufferings had no more sufficiency then other men and in his prayer did not appeare a temperate moderatiō and that he was tortored with doubtfulnes in his conscience and astonished with the horrour of Gods malediction and tormented with the fear of Hell and eternall damnation and that he ceased to pray long to God but burst out in a voyce of desperation In this tenor is Brent 2. part Hom. sup Luc. Hom. 54. 65. Therefore what assured Hope haue these men in Christ who is worse reputed by them then the most miserable sinner that euer was borne and adiudged equally miserable with the damned Diuells in Hell Againe what confidence and assured hope can they haue of God whom they auouch to be the author of sinne as witnes Zu ing lib. de diu prouid when we commit adultery murder and theft it is Gods work as the mouer author and inforcer Lykewyse Caluin sayes that the thief doth kill by Gods impulsion and is oft constrayned to offend Et lib. 1. instit cap. 18. Sinnes are committed not only by Gods permission but by his will Et ibidem cap. 16.17.18 he sayth all sinnes by whomsoeuer they are done they are Gods giftes and iust workes for iniquitie is not fulfilled by wil and intention of man but by the holy Ghost and that often tymes the will of God is contrary to his commandements which he approueth lib. de praedest prouident The will of God sayth he is the principall cause of the peruersity of men And in his inst lib. 2. cap. 4 that God suggesteth dishonest desyres with effectuall decree operation and will This he proueth more largely in his inst lib. 3. cap. 23. That the impious and reprobate doe more fulfill the workes of God in their iniquities then their owne workes hereupon he affirmes that it was absolutly ordayned decreed that Adam should sinne and consequently he hath created the most part of the world to be damned by the absolute decree of his wil. Hereunto if credence should be giuen what assured hope and what confidence can a sinner haue when it lyeth not in him eyther to merit or demerite but absolutely doth whatsoeuer he doth by Gods instigation and prouocation Contrary to this the Papists place their Christian Hope firme and sure because on his part in whome we hope it is most certayne that is to say it is most certayne on Gods part that there shall want nothing for obtayning of that which vve hope for For this cause hope is called assured and certaine because it leanes to a most sure fondament to wit the Heauenly promises and help of God by which assuredly we are conducted to saluation if secondly for our part we shall vse diligence to work with the same to our power as is sayd in the counsell of Trente sess 6. cap. 13. vvhere speaking of the gift of perseuerāce it saith let no man promise to himself security by absolute certitude and assurance but in Gods help all are to be reposed and with firme hope vvorking our saluation Where it is supposed that it is in our power in apart that vve fayle not or that vve vvork not vvith his graces as vve should do And as it is in the gift of perseuerance euen so it is in the hope of our saluation For if truly and properly it were not in our power to cooperat worke with the diuine power of God we should haue no more place to hope in God then if we wanted him and that there were not a God And therefore our hope is sure and confident in God because he is omnipotent and faithfull in his promisses as the ps 144. v. 15 sayth The Lord is faithfull in all his wordes and holy in all his workes to wit what lyeth on Gods part for this cause cōsequently it followeth that our Lord vpholdes those that be weake lifteth vp those that are fallē Againe ps 145. it is sayd Blessed is he that hath the God of Iacob for his helpe whose hope is in the Lord his God which made the Heavens the earth the sea and all that there in is who keepeth faithfulnes for euer Lykewyse Eccl 2. v. 11. No man hath hoped in the Lord and is ashamed For God helpeth euer so that the certitude of our hope consisteth in this that it is assured on Gods part for our saluation because his grace is ready if we cooperate and worke therewith and so rightly is vnderstood that saying of the Apostle that hope is not ashamed and this hope which the Catholickes belieue is far discrepant to the temerous presumptiō of the protestantes who are so certainly persuaded and assured that they confide in themselues more then in God whatsoeuer thing they persuade and assure thēselues of God must be bound to follow their opinion So that God shall not be God but each Protestant in his owne imagination is God and such is the Protestants assured and certayne hope which indeed is ashamed and not the hope which the Apostle commends which they want altogether QVAESTIO XIX Of publicke and priuate prayers WHerefore doe not the Papists in their sacrifice of the masse in administratio of the Sacramēts in all actions both publick and priuat vse the vulgar tongue which may be vnderstood of the people but the Latin tongue which our reformers call counterfeyt dissembled worship of God Luth. de form Missandi Cal. in catach ANSVVER IN the tyme of Christ there were three principall tongues to wit Hebrue Greek Latin to this the title of Christ crosse beareth witnes Matt. 27. Ioan. 19. In which tongues God euery where was praysed Three principall tongues sanctified of Christ in the Crosse in these languages chiefly diuine seruice was done To what ende is this question seing in the reformed bookes and prayers are obserued diuerse wordes in a strange language that the people cannot vnderstand as Amen Alleluia Osanna Eli-Eli-lamasachthani Sabaoth which are Hebrue words Lykewyse in the Baptisme of infātes you pronūce agreek word which surpasseth the vulgar peoples vnderstāding if it were not for the lōg cōtinuāce practise of it Therfore it is expedient that diuin publick seruice be don in the latin tongue and not in the vulgar tongue of each coūtry First because the vniuersall Church approueth this manner of prayer The reasons wherefore the latin tongue is vsed against whose practise to dispute is most insolent madnes as witnes S. Augusten epist 118. ad
the Priestes keepe wisdome and they shall aske the law at his mouth and not of the reading of the Scriptures which rashnes S. Hier. epist. 103. reprehendes that euery one will chalenge Scripture this the chatting old wyfe this the doting aged this the babling sophister this euery one presumes to teach before he learne And lykewyse Tert. de Prasc sayes all are swelled vp all do professe knowledge yea euen very hereticall women how male pert and bould they are to teach and dispute in Scriptures therefore to auoyd these absurdities it is not lawfull to reade the Scriptures OBIECTION CHrist gaue thanks to his Father that he had hid these things from the wyse and prudent and had reuealed them to babes Matth. 11. which doth manifest the greater ostentation of Gods diuine righteousnes mercy and light of the Ghospell therefore the Scripture is no lesse commended to the vnlearned of spirituall vnderstanding then to the iudgement of the prudent and wyse but the Papists doe interdict the people this knowledge in reading the word of God in remitting them to the Doctores of their vniuersities ANSVVER I Admit the antecedent and deny the subsequēt for by litle ones is not vnderstood the vnlearned people but the humble and meke that is not puffed vp with vaine science such were the Apostles and Disciples fishers who altogeather were not vnlearned in that whole three years they were conuersant with Christ the Master of veritie who by his diuine doctrine illuminated their mynds and vnderstanding to haue knowledge of the Scriptures But such little ones were not old-doting-foles prating-old-wyfes Barbers Smythes c. who hauing alwayes false passadges search not the vnderstanding of them but prate bable and read them in their shopps esteeming more of their owne iudgement then all the Doctors and vniuersities in the world OBIECTION THE Scripture is the booke of the faithfull Therefore it is to be read and is plaine to euery mans mynd and vnderstanding ANSVVER I Graunt it is but not to be expounded of all because S. Ambrose calleth it the Priests booke neyther was it without a cause that the bookes of the old Testament were most surely kept in the Temple by the Priestes as relates S. Aug. lib. 16. de cruit cap. 13. And therefore the Priestes bookes are not bookes for the vulgar people OBIECTION THEY shal be all taught of God Ioa. 6. v. 45. Therefore there is no need of any other Doctor for the people then the Scripture ANSVVER I Deny the consequent for it is not there signifyed that all people shall vnderstand all Scriptures without any externall Doctours of God by his inspiration as they dreame but he sayes all shal be taught of God in the last tymes which doctrine is fulfilled by Christ and after him of the holy Ghost in powring in his Pastores of the Church true faith So that this doctrine of Christ and true faith is publickly denounced by the Catholicke Church whereby euery one may be taught in the knowledge of God and not by naked reading of the Scripture For the assumption maketh against themselues To what end are ministers and preichers admitted amongst the Protestantes if all men by reading the Byble may be sufficiently taught in the knowledge of God of God by inward inspiration and of his owne reading aswell as by their preaching OBIECTION THe Scripture is the Key of knowledge but this Key ought to be knowne to all Ergo. and the Scripture ANSVVER ORigine lib. 4. de princ cap. 2. sayes that the inter pretatiō of the church is the key of knowledge drawne from the self same Scriptures but the Scripture it selfe is not the Key of knowledge because the Scripture cannot warrant it self withour the authority of the Church and this authority and spirituall interpretation of the Church is the spirituall Key of knowledge and not the reading of Scripture OBIECTION THe reading of the Scripture bringeth consolation of the spirit to the people therefore it is good and necessary to be read of the vulgar for consolations cause ANSVVER IT is true but not to the purpose for there are many other things which giue consolation to the spirit as the expositions of the Scripture Sermons Meditation receiuing of the Sacraments and not the naked reading of the Bible Otherwise if it be of necessity how shall the poore miscrable and idiots who can not read haue any consolation for the word of God consisteth not only in externall sound but in the true sense and vnderstanding OBIECTION CHrist commanded the Iewes to search the Scriptures Iohn 5. vers 39. And the same lykewyse is commanded to Christians to try the doctrine of fayth according to the rule of scripture and that they may iudge of his interpretation ANSVVER THe word search both in Latin and Greeke may be in the indicatiue and imperatiue moode if it be in the indicatiue as D. Stapeltō saies the sense is you diligently inquyre the Scriptures and yet will not belieue that there you doe fynde of me and these were the bookes of the old Testament for there were none other then writiē If it be in the imperatiue Christ hath not here spoken to the vulgar sorte but to the Scrybes Psiests Leuites and Pharisies with whom was the Key of knowledge who had their dayly conuersation in the Scriptures the which for probability Herod affirmeth whill he assembled the Scrybs Matt. 2. to inquyre of them where Christ should be borne OBIECTION THe Beronenses doe search the Scriptures after the preaching of S. Paul and are commēded that they bestowed thēselues dayly in searching the Scriptures cōcerning those things which were affirmed by Paul and Silas Therefore it is necessary to read the Scriptures ANSVVER THe Beronenses search the Scriptures after the preaching of the Apostles not as doubting of the word but diligently attending least with new doctrines cōtrary to the scriptur they might also be deceaued for as yet the Beronenses had not made professiō of Christ name neyther were they boūd to credit the Apostles except their doctrine had ben proued with myracles or els by testimony of Scripture But farr other wayes the reformed vse to do who will mix their priuate interpretation with the Scripture repugnant to the Scripture Church in raysing new opinions and renewing old damned Heresies OBIECTION LVther de ser Arbit Teaches and constantly affirmes that the Scriptures in thēselues are easy of vnderstanding and need no interpretor yea all men are taught of God and his spirit need not to be taught of any other Therefore as they are facill in vnderstanding so should they be cōmon to all men without interdiction ANSVVER WHere difficulties are it is not plaine neyther facill to all men but the Scripture is full of difficulties for it is the storehouse of Gods Secrets Ergo. Moreouer the disciples hearing Christ disputing about the mysterie of his body And because they were his disciples should haue better digested Christs words thē the people
of S. Iames for Apochripha to conuince him of this error it cannot be done by the Scripture neyther of himself because he is iudge in his own cause neyther is he to be belieued by the reuelation of his priuat spirit for all do make for confirmation of his opinion theref●re to conuince him rightly they must haue recourse to the tradition of the Church as sayes S. Aug. Serm. 191. de temp We receaue the new and ould testament in the nomber of bookes the which by authority of the Catholik Church is delyuered to vs. Moreouer this other argument is to be obserued for the Church from the beginning of the world till Moyses two thowsand yeares was without Scripture only ruled by traditions and rites of the sacrifice In the new testamēnt Christ hath written nothing neyther commaunded to wryte but well he sayth Marc. 16. vers 15. Preach you the Euangely to all creatures in which mission no precept is giuen of writing for saluation depends vpon the word of God and not vpon books neyther the written Scripture nor reuelation or prophesie c. For that cause Iraen lib. 3. cap. 4. wryteth that some nations in his tyme had the fayth of Christ and yet no Scripture Where is it found in the Scripture to reiect traditions But this is the cause why you withstand all traditiōs for these being banished easily you may peruert and glosse the Scriptures and apply them to your own myndes which traditions of the holy Church stād out against you for the clearing of the verity and will not suffer the Scriptures to be corrupted with your fansies which corrupt interpretations permitted and suffered we shall see you follow traditions and consequently your owne inuentions to be for holy Scripture for the first part is probable for Caluin himself approueth the traditions of the Iewes commenting in the 104 Psal sec 18. Many things remayned amōgst them by successiue tradition which were godly and necessary for them of the which no mention is made in the Scriptures Out of which place it followeth that Caluin willingly would Iudaize and as concerning the following of their owne senses in reiecting the traditiōs of the holy Ghost to erect their own traditions contrary to the written word I would most willingly be satiefyed by what reason eyther spirituall or morall why you Puritans vphold and set vp traditions as the pillar of repentance denigrate and made black and sinners to stand there to the spectacle of the whole Church with the showing of their heades at the crosse bound with yron chaynes in tyme of Market your sackcloth at the Church doore and carting of poor women thorow the city of whom haue you learned to punish fornicators by this ignominious punishement Others by the purse and to pardon some who are fatt and to execute rigor vpon the poor From whence haue you receaued that tradition in your prayers to hould your noses in others tailes and to ly groaning on the ground after the manner of the Iewes From vvhence is that tradition to fast on sondayes and feast on frydayes and to work on Christmas day and other Sainctes dayes and to obserue monday suter sonday for holy day These a thowsand more are the Puritanes traditions of their owne inuentiō vvithout any Scripture or vvrittē word and yet not vvithstanding they vvill abolishe and condemne all traditions and yet vvill set vp and authorize traditions of their owne authority contrary to the law of God and all Scripture and tradition of any age before passed OBIECTION THe Lord sayth Deut. 12. vers 32. What I cōmand thee do thow that vnto the Lord only neyther shalt thou add any thing neyther diminish Therefore traditions are superfluous and in vaine ANSVVER IF this argument were auaileable neyther the Prophets nor the Apostles ought to haue writtē any thing after Moyses for vvhat the Prophets haue vvritten are not conteyned in Moyses neyther vvhat the Euangelists Apostles haue wryten are contayeed in the old testament but generally and implicite In lyke sorte traditions are contayned in the Scripture implicite vvhē Christ sayd Luc. 10 v. 16. Who heareth you heareth me Therfore the sense of these vvordes vvhich sayth that thou shall add nothing nor diminish is that thou shalt add nothing repugnāt vnto those things vvhich are commaunded in the Scripture In this same sense sayth S. Paul Gal. 1. v. 8. Whether we or an Angel frō Heauen euangelise to you otherwise then that which we haue euangelized let him be accursed For that praeposition praeter is asmuch to say as cōtrary for otherwaies should he be contrary to himself who added many things as his epistles witnes And lykewyse S. Iohn after he had written the Apocalyps and Euangely who threateneth the same curse should fall in the same sentencē in adding to his Epistles in which are many precepts traditions which are not contayned in the Apocalyps and Euangely c. OBIECTION THE Scripture is a Rule to belieue therefore it ought to contayne all things which are to be belieued ANSVVER THe Scripture is a Rule to belieue but not adequat and a right Rule because the right Rule is the word of God whether written or delyuered by Tradition OBIECTION THese things are written that you may belieue that Iesus is the Sonne of God and that belieuing you may haue lyfe in his name But all things writen serue to belieue in Christ therefore all beliefe is written ANSVVER SAinct Paul sayes that Abel Enoch Noe Abraham Isac Iacob Heb. 11. had vndoubtedly true fayth yet they had no Scripture writen Againe the primitiue Church at least tenne yeares after Christ had no Scripture written who will say but that they had true faith Againe these are not conteyned in the written word to vvit the consubstantiality of the Trinity the procession of the holy Ghost the virginity of the most blessed Virgin Mary the baptising of children and the not rebaptising of them who are baptised of Heretickes the breaking of the Sabaoth keeping of Sonday the obseruing of Easter the receauing of the Sacraments fasting the eating of blood strangled meares prohibeted in the Law and Euāgely Act. 15 But I would know of the Protestātes what Scripture they haue for women to singe Psalmes and to glosse on the Scriptures in the Church at home and in the tauernes What Scripture haue you for your pillary crosse steeple repētance seat carting and showing of poore women for the sinne of fornication for these things you haue no Scripture but must build vpon traditiōs eyther true or false QVAESTIO XVIII Of the certitude of Hope WHerefore doe the Papists deny that our Hope is with certitude seing it is written that Hope maketh vs not ashamed but bringeth with it certitude and confidence Luth art 10 11. Caluin lib. 3. instit cap 2. § 16. ANSVVER WHat certitude assured hope can the Protestants haue in our Sauiour if they defend and abyde in the principall poincts of their
their merite is not mercenary not basse but honourable good and acceptable to God our Father whose sōnes we are if we inclyne our hart to doe his lawes for a reward and this is the good pleasure of God that concommināter we should worke good workes with his grace vnto lyfe eternall whose will is to remunerat gine that beatitude for a merit of good workes QVAEST 10. XXXIII Of Confidence conceaued of merites WHerefore doe the Papists conceaue such confidence of eteruall lyfe by their merites seing it sauours of presumption and in preiudice of the excellency of our redemer Calu. lib. 3. inst cap. 12. § 3.4 ANSVVER I Say it is not anough to confide and trust simpliciterly but also with assured faith we are bound to belieue good workes to merite lyfe eternall for we cannot obtayne lyfe eternall except we haue laboured to promerit the same with good works as is euidently discussed already notwithstanding no man can firmely determine and assuredely persuade him self in his merites to obtayne and haue lyfe eternall defacto The reason is because we are not certaine of our owne righteousnes that any man is iust absolutly and to haue meritorious workes and howbeit he might in some part repose confidently to haue notwithstanding it followeth that no man assuredly can assure himself of perseuerance and therefore seing no manner of way any man can be certayne in this lyfe without a speciall reuelation of God or els if we would precipitat our selues in the damnable golfe of the Caluinists only fayth We belieue vnder hope sub gratia giuing diligence to make our calling and election sure by good workes as the Apostle teaches 2. Peter 2. and so we may conceaue of our good workes some trust and confidence of eternall glory notwithstanding so that chiefly the same confidence and trust be placed dependently in the only mercies of God and merites of Christ and secoūdely in workes And therefore to the purpose the first part is proued Tob. 4. v. 12. Great confidence is with almesse before the most high-God to all them that doth the same Lykewyse 1. Tim. 3. v. 13. sayth who haue ministred weell purches to thēselues a good place much confidence in fayth And seing good works are the cause of our saluation already proued we may the more rightly trust and confide them to obtayne our saluation as for example when the Phisick is very good the patient may the more cōfide of his health and therefore in such manner I may confide that merites are the cause of which saluation may come and so consequently we may haue that confidence and trust of good vvorkes as an effect depending on the cause Secoūdly the posterior part is prouen of the for sayd introductiō because the chiefe cause of our saluation is the merites of Christ and Gods diuyne mercy therefore by the merites of Christ vertue is giuen vs to merite and to be perseuerand So that our merits are the workes of Christ which he worketh in vs by the spirit of his grace which no man is ignorant of forsomuch as in all our petitions prayers we remite them to be graunted for his diuine mercy saike and the merite of Christ And therefore the holy Church and euery member concludes their prayer saying by our Lord IESVS Christ c. And therefore here is neyther done nor inferred eyther presumption or preiudice to the excellency of our redeemer for whose fauou● and grace all helpe requisit is giuen vs to merite and so it is acknowledged of vs to be frō him as the principall cause and so we doe not trust and confide in our owne merites but seconda●ly and dependenterly for all that we haue receaued or worketh we affirme it to be by the merites of Christ and diuyne grace and whatsoeuer we worke or merite it is through the grace of God and merite of Christ and not of our selues absolutly as our aduersarie imagine Neyther doe we presumptuously any thing neyther with iniury to Christ As concerning their Scrupels for conclusion they are full of scrupelles to withstand the verity reuealed out of the word of God and make no Scrupell where Scruples should be obserued it is no Scrupell with there diuines to affirme God the author of sinne with predeterminat predestination without forseen causes the fall of man and the reprobates damnation of Christ disparing on the Crosse of mans freewill of the whole twelf articles of our Beliefe of the impossibility to keepe the Commandements in defending that all our actions are mortall sinnes in making all sinnes equall and in teaching that Christ hath fred vs from all Lawes in taking away all feare of conscience by only fayth in teaching necessity to be forced in the freewill of man in taking away vyce and vertue in mans actions merite demerite sinne and grace with others infinite numbers of assertions swallowed vp of them without any scrupell lyke another Leuiathan plunged in the weest Sees with a deuoring mouth Soe passe they without Scrupelles walking after their owne fantasies and not according to the word of God neyther the reason of morall knowledge The end of the first Part. THE TABLE OF THIS BOOKE TO whome properly the Catholick name appertayne Quaest I. pag. 2. Of the damnable and speciall Faith of the Heretikes Quaest II. pag. 23. Of the Article of the Creed I belieue the remission of sinnes Quaest III. pag. 44. Of the informall Faith of Synners Quaest IIII. pag. 49. Of the necessity of Myracles Quaest V. pag. 45. Of the verity of Myracles in the Catholicke Church Quaest VI. pag. 61. The Pope is taken of the reformed for Antichrist Quaest VII pag. 73. Of the Primacy of S. Peter Quaest VIII pag. 89. Of the Roman Sea of S. Peter Quaest IX pag. 107. Of Iohne the eight Pope a VVoman Quaest X. pag. 112. Of the infallible authority of Generall Counsells Quaest XI pag. 116. Of the verity of the Roman-Church and of her notes Quaest XII pag. 127. Of the pretended reformation of the Protestants Quaest XIII pag. 145. Of the stability of the visible Church Quaest XIIII pag. 169. Of the interdicting of Scripture Quaest XV. pag. 183. Of the adulterating the Byble Quaest XVI pag. 199. Of Traditions Quaest XVII pag. 206. Of the certitude of Hope Quaest XVIII pag. 214. Of publicts and priuate Prayers Quaest XIX pag. 218. Of the Aue Maria. Quaest XX. pag. 225. Of the Beades Quaest XXI pag. 228. Of Praying in the Churches Quaest XXII pag. 231. Of Predestination and Reprobation Quaest XXIII pag. 236. Of Free VVill. Quęst XXIIII pag. 251. Of Prescience Predestination and Free-will Quaest XXV pag. 259. Of the keeping of the Commandementes Quaest XXVI pag. 264. Of Reall Iustice Quaest XXVII pag. 269. Of good VVorkes Quaest XXVIII pag. 276. Of the incertitude of Righteousnes Quęst XXIX pag. 281. Of the Purenesse of Good VVorkes Quęst XXX pag. 289. Of the Merite of good VVorkes Quęst XXXI pag. 296. Of good VVorkes done in respect of an eternall reward Quęst XXXII pag. 304. Of Confidence conceaued of Merites Quęst XXXIII pag. 306. FINIS