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A90879 A voice from heaven: or, A testimony against the remainders of Antichrist yet in England: and in particular, the court of tryers for approbation of ministers. / Born by Gualter Postlethwait, pastor to a Church of Christ in Lewes in Sussex. Postlethwaite, Walter, d. 1671. 1655 (1655) Wing P3022; Thomason E1498_3; ESTC R208640 39,391 112

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become no ordinances are of no efficacy to do good unto the souls of men Other ordinances are circumstantially corrupted onely as Baptisme although much were added unto it as anointing crossing c. yet the essentials were retained whil'st it always was administred by washing sprinkling or dipping in water in the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost Now when ordinances are but circumstantially corrupted we have cause to be humbled that we have not sought God in due order as David for bringing up the Ark in a Cart that should have beene borne on the Priests shoulders but we cannot reject the ordinance no more then the Israelites could reject the Ark because it was carried in the cart of the Philistims making When 't is promised that the woman shall be nourished in the wilderness Rev. 12. 6. it must needs imply that there shall be some ordinances preserved from corruptions in their essentials and that Gods people shall be accepted in the use of them and have benefit by them yet that is no argument against coming out of the wilderness expressing as is plain the condition of the Christian world during the reigne of Antichrist when they have light and might todo it neither can it be more an argument against separation from the Images of the Beast or reliques of them then it was against separation from the beast Will any say that because Baptism was valid that was received in the Catholick Church of Rome that therefore they should not have separated from her that are called the reformed Churches Why then should any say that because Baptisme is valid and other ordinances that have retained their essentials in the Episcopal Churches and classical Churches the Images of it and in the Parochiall Vide M. Cotton in 13 Rev. Churches that are but reliques of the Image of the beast that therefore we are not to separate from them But to speak no longer in general let us come to that which is mainly drived at in this last objection viz whether this separation do not require rebaptization I am for the negative as appears by what hath been said and shall adde these arguments against rebaptization First the Scripture speakes nothin of it Jesus Christ hath left us no institution for it who yet was expected to tell us all things and this expectation owned without the least exception by our Saviour John 4. 25 26. That of the 19 of the Acts of the Apostles is all the instance that I know hath at any time been given to prove rebaptization and this Scripture has been quoted to this purpose in the fourth age after Christ by the Donatists but in my Judgement Cent. Magd. cent 4. cap. 5. pag. 377. so long abused When say they Paul found certain at Ephesus that said they were baptized with the baptisme of John he commanded them to be baptized in Christ After the same manner do our Anabaptists interpret this Scripture through mistake applying vers 5. to Luke as his relation of what Paul did whereas indeed it is to be looked on as the relation of Paul of what John did And so is to be joyned unto the former verse as one intire Speech of Paul to the Ephesine disciples To prove which Beza argues thus For says he Beza in loc the particle 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which in all Greeke copies is read with greatest concent and necessarily answers to the particle 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 does by no meanes by no meanes I say suffer that we should breake the series of this speech asunder as though the first part were to be attributed to Paul and the latter part to Luke the writer And besides if there were here a rebaptization of the Disciples that had been baptized with the Baptisme of John it will be implyed that Christs Baptisme that he was baptized with being baptized of John and the Baptisme of all his members is not the same that sounds very harsh These considerations perswade me to thinke that here was no rebaptization and upon this account there was none because Paul upon deliberation findes the essentials of a Gospel-Baptism in John's Baptisme And let it be proved that any thing else was deliberated of by Paul as to the solving of the Question whether he should baptize them or no before he laid his hands on them after that their Ignorance of the gifts of the Holy Ghost brought their Baptisme into question and whether the text will afford any thing to say upon good ground for the former Baptisme of these but that they had the essentials Secondly We must either owne our Baptisme received in the Catholick visible Church of Rome the mother or in the Diocesan or National Churches the harlot-daughters and Images of that strumpet or else we must conclude that the Churches that shall be and be owned of God during the 42 months of Antichrist of which see Rev. 11. 4. shall want utterly the initiatory seal of the New Testament and of this we finde no president in Scripture that a Church should utterly want the initiatory seal of the Covenant of God neither do I finde any hint that these Churches should want it be in this case unparallel'd or know of any that pretend to any such thing that there should be a Church utterly without the initiatory Seal or else there must be an extraordinary way of reviving the lost ordinance of Baptisme in these Churches and of this I know neither promise that we should expect a second Baptist nor experience for these hundreds of years since there have been such Churches that any such have been raised up yet this must be received or the former that these Churches must want Baptisme if that be null that we have had in the Catholick visible Church of Rome or the Images of it for if receiving it in those false Churches null it every one I think will readily grant that there was not a Baptized person left in the world when the Wilderness first began to set up particular visible Churches For from the Churches rest till those Waldenses and Albigenses 't is very rare to finde a man that would acknowledge any other Churches then the beast or his Images that would acknowledge a particular visible Church as Mr. Cotton observes in his exposition of the Revelation Cent. 4. cap. 5. de Heresi● chap. 13. pag. 123 we are indeed minded of an act of Constantine by his Imperial Edict reducing all to the Catholick Church to walk in communion with her Holiness as his language is by the Centuriatores Magdeburgenses Cent. 4. pag. 315. by which Church that he meanes the Catholick visible is plain by the meanes he uses viz. the delivering up the meeting-houses or oratories to the Catholick Church as they that please may read in the place above cited Thirdly 't will be said But many Obj. 3. godly men have worshipped God Zealously in this way and do still and God has and is still